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servermsh

(1,406 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:03 AM Feb 2021

Breaking: Whitehouse calls for trial to be suspended, wants to depose McCarthy and Tuberville.

Do it! Do it! Do it!




One way to clear it up? Suspend trial to depose McCarthy and Tuberville under oath and get facts. Ask Secret Service to produce for review comms back to White House re VP Pence safety during siege. What did Trump know, and when did he know it?


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Breaking: Whitehouse calls for trial to be suspended, wants to depose McCarthy and Tuberville. (Original Post) servermsh Feb 2021 OP
"What did he know and when did he know it?" Shades of Watergate. Perfect. RussellCattle Feb 2021 #1
The big question in any conspiracy. marble falls Feb 2021 #33
The Decision Has Already Been Made sfstaxprep Feb 2021 #2
That decision isn't until tomorrow angrychair Feb 2021 #6
PLUS, the defense lawyers opened the door by repeatedly criticizing the House managers pnwmom Feb 2021 #23
Excellent point. Especially now that their lie(s) has/have been revealed. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2021 #53
According to the rules, after the question and answer period, there is a 4 hour period pnwmom Feb 2021 #7
SW is brilliant.. I'm with you. Wanted him to run for prez. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #22
President Whitehouse in the White House could be a... 3catwoman3 Feb 2021 #31
Please. marble falls Feb 2021 #34
The country I live in is feeling babylonsister Feb 2021 #45
Sound off.......... marieo1 Feb 2021 #57
Wow... Guess it must have been more than zero% Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #48
You Were Saying? nt sfstaxprep Feb 2021 #51
This whole thing has changed on a dime. What a shitty Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #54
K&R MustLoveBeagles Feb 2021 #3
Hell yes! Do it!!! BigmanPigman Feb 2021 #4
That is what needs to be done. madaboutharry Feb 2021 #5
Hmmm... lying to Congress. C_U_L8R Feb 2021 #11
I think as dumb as he is, he has figured out that he has been duped Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #25
You beat me to it. Tuberville got pulled into this. They needed a dupe to fill a role. Sucker. nt Progressive Jones Feb 2021 #26
An Alabama fan..but I still have an iota Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #39
Y'all, I have googled. crickets Feb 2021 #8
No matter how or when the impeachment is shut down. C_U_L8R Feb 2021 #9
"Republican turncoats" -- exactly. The Republican party is the anti-American democracy party. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #12
Excellent point! It will be the tribble! Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #28
Also👇 Nevilledog Feb 2021 #10
Why would the WH request that? angrychair Feb 2021 #13
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse made the request. Grasswire2 Feb 2021 #14
Lol angrychair Feb 2021 #16
WH equals SW Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #29
Whitehouse is one of the most intelligent Senators in Washingtom. world wide wally Feb 2021 #15
Why won't he run for prez? He's SO savvy and so erudite? Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #30
He'd get my vote world wide wally Feb 2021 #50
K&R! SheltieLover Feb 2021 #17
YES! Silver Gaia Feb 2021 #18
❤️✿❧🌿❧✿❤️ Lucinda Feb 2021 #19
Yes! Play hardball MyMission Feb 2021 #20
Oh. Thought it was: "White (space, uppercase) House" - didn't compute. Great senator but speaking UTUSN Feb 2021 #21
+1 Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #32
Twitter clickbait, this isn't THE Whitehouse, its Sheldon Whitehouse, derp Baclava Feb 2021 #24
It happens again! Wawannabe Feb 2021 #59
Rt TY! Cha Feb 2021 #27
Yes.. bottom line... This is Sheldon Whitehouse's idea. Not Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #35
I agree. He's not an impeachment manager mucifer Feb 2021 #36
Nobody woke me up :(. Missed the fireworks this am. You? Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #47
I posted my reply 10 hour ago. Yup, luckily I was proved to be wrong mucifer Feb 2021 #49
Folks, This is the programs show Thunderbeast Feb 2021 #37
No matter the outcome crud Feb 2021 #38
YES!! SunSeeker Feb 2021 #40
Well...that would do it. PatrickforO Feb 2021 #41
Definitely! calimary Feb 2021 #42
America demands accountability, not GOP lies. badboy67 Feb 2021 #43
K&R Mike Niendorff Feb 2021 #44
'Calls for' and 'wants to' is not how moonscape Feb 2021 #46
For one thing, the SS as an organization is arguably unimpeachable. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #52
Great points. Frankly, I am not normally in favor of violence of any sort, but a small part of me Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2021 #56
K&R Blue Owl Feb 2021 #55
I was hoping the house managers Danascot Feb 2021 #58
 

sfstaxprep

(10,599 posts)
2. The Decision Has Already Been Made
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:07 AM
Feb 2021

They're wrapping it up tomorrow.

I've watched many of the shows tonight on CNN & MSNBC, and they say there is ZERO chance of there being witnesses.

Time to move on folks, and accept the country we live in.

angrychair

(9,886 posts)
6. That decision isn't until tomorrow
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:19 AM
Feb 2021

Plus any talking head was speaking based on hours old information before Tuberville statements and the context and content of McCarthy's phone call with trump. I think there is a fair chance of witnesses being called.

pnwmom

(109,629 posts)
23. PLUS, the defense lawyers opened the door by repeatedly criticizing the House managers
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:52 AM
Feb 2021

for not doing enough investigation.

pnwmom

(109,629 posts)
7. According to the rules, after the question and answer period, there is a 4 hour period
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:20 AM
Feb 2021

during which they can take a vote on deposing witnesses; and if the vote is yes, then they can spend time debating and approving witnesses.

I think Sheldon Whitehouse is being the stalking horse, and we should all support him in this.

3catwoman3

(25,642 posts)
31. President Whitehouse in the White House could be a...
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:17 AM
Feb 2021

...very good thing once Joe and then Kamala have had their time at the helm.

babylonsister

(171,675 posts)
45. The country I live in is feeling
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:35 AM
Feb 2021

better and better with President Biden at the helm, regardless of how this turns out.
Just not having to see that ratfink mofo45 makes me happy.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
57. Sound off..........
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:12 PM
Feb 2021

Me, too...........but I will never understand why DJT was acquitted again. It makes me so sad. What have they done to our country. Sorry, I just had to sound off. I don't get it - one minute they were going to call witnesses and the next, DJT was acquitted. If you know what happened, Babylon Sister, please tell us.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
54. This whole thing has changed on a dime. What a shitty
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:35 PM
Feb 2021

shitty morning of ups and downs. Made the mistake of looking at twitter ..maybe 80%? of Dems I read are like totally pissed.

madaboutharry

(41,385 posts)
5. That is what needs to be done.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:11 AM
Feb 2021

There are republicans who are involved in a cover-up.

As dumb as Tuberville seems to be, there is an obvious line in the sand. He doesn’t appear willing to lie this time. Surprising to say the least.

C_U_L8R

(45,754 posts)
11. Hmmm... lying to Congress.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:23 AM
Feb 2021

Sucks to be Trump's legal team. They will pay the price even if their client walks.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
25. I think as dumb as he is, he has figured out that he has been duped
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:59 AM
Feb 2021

Newbie, with zero idea how Washington works. At first, in awe of being in DC and the president ewing and awing over him. Dinner at Trump DC...Sure!

But he's an effin coach!

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
39. An Alabama fan..but I still have an iota
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:45 AM
Feb 2021

of sympathy for him, I guess. On the other hand, I can totally see being swept up in it all... Any of us might have been.

Yet HE was the one who called it to light, right? That Trump called at X o'clock and said X ???

crickets

(26,148 posts)
8. Y'all, I have googled.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:21 AM
Feb 2021

"duty of candor to a tribunal" is a real thing. Who knew? Well, attorneys apparently, but still.

Rule 3.3: Candor Toward the Tribunal
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_3_3_candor_toward_the_tribunal/

Well, I'll be darned. Many of us, including the dishonest trump team, thought that the lying liars who lie could get away with saying whatever convenient thing they wanted. That may not be the case after all. Could be that tomorrow just got very interesting.

Thank you, Senator Whitehouse.


P.S. I'm wondering if Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz are still feeling like smarties for helping the team.

C_U_L8R

(45,754 posts)
9. No matter how or when the impeachment is shut down.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:21 AM
Feb 2021

Evidence and witnesses will continue to emerge - especially as 100's of insurrectionists go to trial. Every time will be another black welt for Republican turncoats. They sure are gluttons for punishment.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,614 posts)
12. "Republican turncoats" -- exactly. The Republican party is the anti-American democracy party.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:27 AM
Feb 2021

angrychair

(9,886 posts)
13. Why would the WH request that?
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:31 AM
Feb 2021

So far I've got no explanation why they would make that kind of request.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
30. Why won't he run for prez? He's SO savvy and so erudite?
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:11 AM
Feb 2021

Just curious, because he has always seemed so perfect to me.

MyMission

(2,000 posts)
20. Yes! Play hardball
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:43 AM
Feb 2021

They need to depose and call witnesses. Uncover more evidence, from secret service, FBI, social media, phone calls, whatever it takes. Let the trial continue for several weeks if necessary, as they follow up. Depose others as well. What does Barr know?

I didn't watch the entire trial, but I don't think they mentioned 45 firing and replacing key positions in defense and the pentagon. Or military leaders reminding military of their allegiance to the Constitution. Rioters thought military and Leo's would be on their side.
45 was hoping for that too. Paramilitary groups provided security to Stone and others.
They were involved in planning and directing things. There's evidence waiting to be uncovered.



UTUSN

(72,658 posts)
21. Oh. Thought it was: "White (space, uppercase) House" - didn't compute. Great senator but speaking
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:44 AM
Feb 2021

for himself. Well, speaking for what we all want but still just something in the air. Not an official imperative.








Wawannabe

(6,421 posts)
59. It happens again!
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 06:42 PM
Feb 2021

I was this far in the thread before I “get” that Whitehouse is NOT THE Whitehouse.

Happened yesterday too. I asked them to change because misleading. Didn’t

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
35. Yes.. bottom line... This is Sheldon Whitehouse's idea. Not
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:21 AM
Feb 2021

anything that is close to happening?

If it isn't, wake me up

Thunderbeast

(3,547 posts)
37. Folks, This is the programs show
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:34 AM
Feb 2021

Criminal indictments and civil actions are in the queue.

Witnesses, subpoenas, depositions, and real juries.

This is necessary, but it is a political, not criminal action.

crud

(834 posts)
38. No matter the outcome
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:45 AM
Feb 2021

the truth will come out. R senators have to be thinking about what is worse for them. truth or consequences.

PatrickforO

(15,125 posts)
41. Well...that would do it.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:24 AM
Feb 2021

Because they could not lie - too many people heard the calls, and were told about the calls.

Might be a good thing.

I was just talking to my wife tonight, you know, and I told her that if we went to the way-back-when, when we were both kids in the sixties, Trump would have lasted...well, he wouldn't even have made it past the primaries.

It just blows us away, how these Republicans can just sit there and lie. It drove me nuts when none of them would admit that Obama was born in the USA, and that the birthers were lying. And it drives me nuts now when none of the Republicans admitted he had lost the election.

Well, him getting convicted is a long shot indeed, but at the least the case is being presented. Our guys did a great job with it, too. Two of them are from my state! Neguse and DeGette.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,807 posts)
52. For one thing, the SS as an organization is arguably unimpeachable.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:03 PM
Feb 2021

I doubt there is an agency more respected and trusted than them. Evidence obtained from their undoubtedly well-kept records would be a thunderbolt for the defence to have to contend with.

As a post of last night had it, it is inconceivable that a group of them, charged with defending to the death the life of the VP would not be in near-constant contact with the WH, and whatever leadership in the SS there might be that they report to.

I would be utterly gobsmacked if a half-dozen...even a dozen seems reasonable, given that a demonstration was expected...would just be out there, flying by the seats of their pants.

And my final thought on this...if there was a significant contingent of SS manpower - abundance of caution is barely even caution to them - a group of rioters inside the Capitol that ran across them would have had many sadz.

The rules of engagement for the SS in those situations are CONSIDERABLY different than, say, the Capitol police, and they are ALWAYS armed.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,046 posts)
56. Great points. Frankly, I am not normally in favor of violence of any sort, but a small part of me
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:10 PM
Feb 2021

wishes more of the insurrectionists had been shot or injured. Preferably not dead, but incapacitated in the moment. Or Mike Pence had been captured (even the worst part of me can't wish the gruesome gallows were used.) But, the fact that they were actually allowed to do what they did and then just saunter out of the building and go off and celebrate their crimes, is utterly mind-boggling to me, for many reasons.

Regarding who knew what, as with most things, what Rs say is easily disproven blatant BSt that their brainwashed base will nevertheless accept. This fiction that TuRdRUMP didn't know what was happening with is clearly Pence preposterous.

And speaking of the SS, here's a stupid question: would SS agents be bound by a subpoena or do they have some special exception? I assume they would have to testify if called in an impeachment or criminal trial, but a lot of things I used to believe have been shown to be overly optimistic (and I'm a pessimist!)

Danascot

(4,909 posts)
58. I was hoping the house managers
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:40 PM
Feb 2021

would adjourn the trial and depose witnesses and conduct further investigations for a while. You just know there's a lot more to come. A big plus would be it would drive the QOP crazy.

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