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servermsh

(1,406 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:54 PM Feb 2021

I am beside myself with rage and anger right now.

I'm shaking at what just happened!

A stupid reading of an already public statement!

They passed a motion to call witnesses and then didn't call witnesses!

That testimony would have been extremely embarrassing for Republicans.

Today's process makes it look like Democrats caved to Republican threats. Republicans will be laughing about this for weeks.

I'm ENRAGED!

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I am beside myself with rage and anger right now. (Original Post) servermsh Feb 2021 OP
+1000 jrthin Feb 2021 #1
Relax. Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #2
Bummed soothsayer Feb 2021 #3
Agree. I expected more from Raskin and co. LSparkle Feb 2021 #11
We were always going to have to listen to him Bettie Feb 2021 #21
Its More Than a Stipulation-Since its In Evidence it Can Be Allowed During Argument Stallion Feb 2021 #4
Chill! Nt USALiberal Feb 2021 #5
I think it's okay. MontanaMama Feb 2021 #6
Yes, I am going to go with Raskin's judgement right now. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #13
I agree. Zoonart Feb 2021 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Democracy2020 Feb 2021 #7
Why? The House managers got exactly what they wanted. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2021 #8
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Zoonart Feb 2021 #15
+1 Politicub Feb 2021 #19
It's not worth driving yourself crazy about. With or without witnesses the end result would Vinca Feb 2021 #9
Thank you for this, your voice is calming and true. ❤️ a kennedy Feb 2021 #16
Is that your version of unity? Wawannabe Feb 2021 #17
"Unity" is a pipe dream. Just wait and see. As soon as this is over - witnesses or no witnesses - Vinca Feb 2021 #23
Me too! Wawannabe Feb 2021 #10
As the prophet says bmbmd Feb 2021 #12
Me too. Danmel Feb 2021 #18
Get a majority vote for conviction even if not 2/3rds then proceed to a criminal charges Under The Radar Feb 2021 #20
Calm down. we can do it Feb 2021 #22

LSparkle

(11,801 posts)
11. Agree. I expected more from Raskin and co.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:01 PM
Feb 2021

I don’t want to have to listen to that Orange Anus Mouth crowing about being “exonerated” again!!!

My God, Ted Lieu is right — if he can run again, we’re all stuck in this nightmare ... no end. His fans can just keep believing Biden isn’t legitimate and can terrorize us forever. I AM SICK OF CARING about what his sycophants think. LIBERATE AMERICA from this vampire!!!!!!

Bettie

(17,381 posts)
21. We were always going to have to listen to him
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:06 PM
Feb 2021

crowing about being exonerated again. There is no way they will convict him.

Even those to claim to despise him actually love his beliefs, the only thing they don't like is that he is too open about them for their tastes.

Even Romney agrees with all of it. He just prefers it to be more veiled or it is "unseemly".

Stallion

(6,613 posts)
4. Its More Than a Stipulation-Since its In Evidence it Can Be Allowed During Argument
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:57 PM
Feb 2021

I would prefer live testimony but you'll hear it referred to as evidence throughout the day during argument. Otherwise reference to such evidence would be objectionable and inadmissible

MontanaMama

(24,080 posts)
6. I think it's okay.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:58 PM
Feb 2021

DU’s StarfishSaver is someone I often look to for guidance on these matters...and she’s saying it was a good move by Raskin.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215105582

Irish_Dem

(59,395 posts)
13. Yes, I am going to go with Raskin's judgement right now.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:02 PM
Feb 2021

He is doing a brilliant job.

Trump has admitted to making the phone call.

Zoonart

(12,828 posts)
14. I agree.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:02 PM
Feb 2021

One minute the Democrats are geniuses and the next they are weaklings. Just stop it.

We got what we wanted, The admission of this testimony into the record is an admission of guilt by Donald tRump.
That is what we wanted., and we got it.

So take the vote and let's hang it around their necks, without letting them turn this into a shit show.
Just MHO.





Response to servermsh (Original post)

The Velveteen Ocelot

(121,378 posts)
8. Why? The House managers got exactly what they wanted.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:00 PM
Feb 2021

Their threat to call witnesses was playing chicken with Trump's lawyers, and Trump's lawyers blinked. Live witnesses would have devolved into a circus with Trump's lawyers doing performative cross-examination for the benefit of their audience to no benefit to the prosecution. They got a stipulation to crucial facts. Give the House team a little credit, you're watching some of the best lawyers on the planet. They know what they're doing.

Vinca

(51,205 posts)
9. It's not worth driving yourself crazy about. With or without witnesses the end result would
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:00 PM
Feb 2021

have been the same. Our best moves at this point are to get this over with, get Biden's agenda passed and work like hell to beat every Trumplican running for office in 2022.

Wawannabe

(6,421 posts)
17. Is that your version of unity?
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:04 PM
Feb 2021

This is not how it should go IMO.

Witnesses are needed. We can’t just “get on with it”.

Vinca

(51,205 posts)
23. "Unity" is a pipe dream. Just wait and see. As soon as this is over - witnesses or no witnesses -
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:20 PM
Feb 2021

Trump will go on tour with a continuation of his stolen election/donate-to-me propaganda, only now it will have an added touch. He'll beat the drum that Joe is a fake president and act like a ruler in exile. All the while, Mitch and his merry band of whiners will oppose everything and anything Democrats propose. They use "unity" against us as a weapon - they always have - and if we fall for it this time we're fools. I think Joe gets this having witnessed the Obama years up close. Obama would give up all kinds of things to compromise and then Republicans would vote against it anyway. Joe has already shown them the door on the Covid-19 slash and burn proposal they came up with. You could have a hundred witnesses on each side and draw this out for Biden's entire term and the GOP would still vote to vindicate Trump.

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