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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs this what they mean by "critical race theory"?
WhiskeyGrinder
(24,282 posts)Caliman73
(11,767 posts)If you are asking what the people who are crying about CRT in schools mean by CRT, then you need to look no further than what Christopher Rufo has been saying. He is the man that has catapulted CRT in to the mainstream. His goal is to associate everything that White people fear about the topic of race and racial justice into CRT in order to poison the discussion about those issues.
ShazamIam
(2,755 posts)because it was the first book that really told me, informed me, about being AA in the U.S. And though I had already read, The Autobiography of Malcom X, and I had thought Malcom had informed me. I was wrong. Malcom is still a favorite of mine, but James Baldwin has, in my library of information, made the message more real to me than, or more complete. Toni Morrison belongs in this rare group that squeezes comprehension of the terrible and race backed crimes unleashed in a constant denial by nearly all of us.
Carefully, deliberately, cruelly especially following the advances of the 60s, the conservative White leadership in this nation struck back so hard they have now delivered us back to the Jim Crow era, violence included and mostly carried out by law enforcement, official violent oppression and denial.
Thanks for sharing
iluvtennis
(21,023 posts)Solomon
(12,500 posts)by W E B DuBois. Eye opening and mind blowing.
ShazamIam
(2,755 posts)Solomon
(12,500 posts)one of the first to identify the double conciousness that black people have.
ShazamIam
(2,755 posts)soldierant
(8,151 posts)And, sorry, I've been looking for over half an hour, and finally found it - the National Museum of African American History and Culture (part of the Smithsonian) will be streaming
"Historically Speaking: Black Reconstruction -- A Conversation Among Eric Foner, Henry Louis Gates & Kevin Young"
on Wednesday, December 8, from 7 to 8 pm Eastern. It's free, but you need to register. The link I attached to its title will take you to a page where you can do that.
Brief description: NMAAHC Andrew W. Mellon Director Kevin Young moderates a discussion with prominent historians Eric Foner and Henry Louis Gates editors of the Library of Americas reissue of W.E.B. Dubois groundbreaking assessment of the impact of Reconstruction on Americas post-civil war black community.
Tommymac
(7,334 posts)spike jones
(1,817 posts)when I was 16 years old, then The Fire Next Time and others. Baldwins writings showed me the side of that southern culture that segregation had kept from me and it changed my life. During the pandemic isolation, I re-read his books that I have on my shelves, and they are still powerful.
ShazamIam
(2,755 posts)again and that led to a third reading and it burned right into my consciousness.
rkleinberger
(155 posts)Did the majority just sit back and be apathetic to their attacks? Yes. So Dems and progressives have much to blame here as well. It seems the general Progressive wing or those aligned with non-conservative values complain but don't fight at the level of right wing fascists. If you have strong counter opposition then they cannot rise. This is evident from 1930s Germany where the opposition to the Nazis was weak and allowed them to rise
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)White population did that's who. I will say it makes me happy to see young white people at the BLM protests. However, the majority of the white population just sits back, wrings their hands but never steps up to the plate to take a stance one way or the other. It's not enough to complain, voice your concern but then sit back and watch it all happen. Why is Aubery's family sitting with ONLY black people in that court room? As does the families of the many other trials of this nature. Is there not a single white person in the entire state of Georgia that can see their plight clearly? Is there not a white celebrity that can lend their voice? Is there not a rich white person who can fund them? It's not a closed courtroom. W. T. A. F!
I am livid with the congress, AND the White House. Doing what's always been done will get nowhere and NOTHING will change. And before anyone wants to chime in and say, oh oh oh but we have to keep the majority. NEWSFLASH, we have the numbers (barely) but we DO NOT have control. Once again the MINORITY is allowed to keep control. THAT is why NOTHING ever changes. And it never will. Read the book The New Jim Crow. It's explains beautifully how politicians have pitted the poor white population (the majority of which are republican voters) against the "elite liberals" who want to keep them down but also against all minorities, immigrants, anyone who's "not like you" who want to take what little you have away.
soldierant
(8,151 posts)and the rightwing is very, very good at kkeping their evil deeds in the dark.
I'm one of the few who goes looking for racism - and I find it easily. But the number of people who don't look and do not see - my God. It is horrifying.
wnylib
(25,183 posts)what allows fascism to develop.
I heard numerous people and a few church sermons rail against the migrant detention centers and children in cages, but saw very few people unifying in demonstrations to demand change or doing physical intervention against round ups.
I was on a local racial justice committee for a nationally known organization. It was composed of several white women and their goal was to find a way to enhance their organization's presence among minorities. I dropped out. It was all talk and no action. The committee disbanded just before the pandemic. Months later, I got an e-mail from a member of the organization's local board informing me that a new director was in charge and a new committee was being formed. I was asked to sign a petition against racism. I did not respond.
Why bother? It was the same ol' same ol'. Signing petitions is a feel good exercise that accomplishes nothing. The signers feel good about themselves for "taking a stand" but their signature does nothing to improve race relations or end systemic racism. Signing petitions is not an action against racism. It's a substitute for action.
radius777
(3,817 posts)one of his famous speeches where he identified the 'white moderate who is more devoted to order than justice' as an even bigger threat than the KKK.
The white BLM protesters killed by Rittenhouse, as flawed as they may have been, basically gave their lives fighting for civil rights in a way that your more 'respectable' white does not, who mainly tends to sit back and wag their fingers at the victims and make excuses for the likes of Rittenhouse.
PoC are highly dissatisfied with Biden/Dems failure to throw down the gauntlet on voting rights. Biden only won because of PoC, especially black voters in urban areas like Philly, Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta etc. Women are also losing their right to choose. Without women where would Dems be, would never win any swing districts.
FM123
(10,166 posts)Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced. He said this in 1962.
70sEraVet
(4,319 posts)iluvtennis
(21,023 posts)Tommymac
(7,334 posts)What one does matters.
I refuse to succumb to the view of all those lamenting all the evil going on in the country and the world; their only actions ringing their hands and moaning doom and gloom.
It is up to all of The People to rise above the noise and do the difficult work of taking back Our Country from all those hell bent on making it a racist authoritarian paradise.
"Almost impossible to do" cry the weak of heart.
I say "The impossible just takes a bit more hard work, a bit more courage and tenacity to achieve."
Let's get to work.
Joinfortmill
(17,060 posts)calimary
(85,086 posts)I am SOOOO using that in one of our upcoming call to Action emails.
What an amazing quote! From an equally amazing thinker!
llashram
(6,269 posts)mountain grammy
(27,479 posts)Biophilic
(5,198 posts)Lonestarblue
(12,192 posts)in high school and fewer works of long-dead white guys like Jonathan Edwards or at least reducing the emphasis on the writers of the 1800s like Emerson, Poe, and Hawthorne. Theres value in studying their writings, but I believe students of today see little to relate to in their own lives.
RobinA
(10,231 posts)I believe it depends on the teacher whether they see any relevance in Hawthorne, Emerson OR Baldwin.
soldierant
(8,151 posts)which is why the right wants their books burned.
Solly Mack
(93,665 posts)Kablooie
(18,826 posts)We should be past this but seem farther away from resolution than ever.
Joinfortmill
(17,060 posts)cate94
(2,922 posts)At which point they will discover that we all came out of Africa. Also, if you are white, you probably have more Neanderthal blood than you would like to believe.
I say this as a very white person, with more Neanderthal DNA than most. POCs are more human than I am. That, of course, doesnt make anyone better than anyone else. We all came from the same place.
And I do know, I would not like to be Black here. As a gay person, I know discrimination, but never as much as POC deal with daily. It is really sickening.
cbabe
(4,518 posts)they say we need more people from Norway
SarcasticSatyr
(1,302 posts)by John Howard Griffin, published in 1961.
twodogsbarking
(12,499 posts)in Atlantic City with my parents, circa 1965. Still remember.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,847 posts)....by Chris Rock. In one of his comedy specials, he tells the audience "There ain't a white man in this room that would change places with me. None of you. None of you would change places with me, and I'm rich!"
Tikki
(14,800 posts)is a mix of guilt and officiousness...immaturity and selfishness.
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(631 posts)CatWoman
(79,854 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I'm not saying there isn't someone, but "it seems to me" to be one of those things that can't resonate with most because for them they're not true, even for some to the point of being ridiculous. The usual problem for those with reputations as intellectual thinkers: how does one express an opinion like that about an entire race without sounding racist?
Such a difficult thing to carry off, and his "it seems to me" has always sounded to me like he was hedging a rhetorical bet in case his picture didn't go over as well as he hoped.
WhiskeyGrinder
(24,282 posts)believes "white people go around ... with a very carefully suppressed terror of Black people"?
soldierant
(8,151 posts)the intelligence of the American public, something no one ever went broke underestimating/
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)perpetually with a "tremendous sense of uneasiness" about what black people are thinking of you because of this enormous load of personal guilt that's always consuming you? Or at least any time you spot a dark skin on the street? The guilt washes over you, the original sin of your white skin sickens you, and you unconsciously brace yourself against your fear that he will turn and see you, and you will have to imagine your despicable self in his eyes?
I'm afraid I have a literal mind. It doesn't dress up this extremely ugly claim of what it is to be a white person, all white people, the white race, as anything more than it is. Or speaking of underestimating, how insulting its depiction of all black people is. I also have a much more optimistic outlook that many people are and have always been decent enough to pull us all through eventually. I that believe in future, probably not all that far ahead as culture continues to change so fast, most of the current hateful off-leash acting out will not be considered valid intellectually or acceptable morally.
soldierant
(8,151 posts)whenever the conversation gets too close. And believe me, I do pick it up. A lot. Including in people I otherwise like, respect, and even love.
I don't have he slightest doubt that people of color can pick it up too - actually a lot better than I, because they don't need for the conversation to get close - they are the tpoic.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Mr. Baldwin seemingly would not have excused you, but I do. Wonder if the irony of his quote below ever occured to him. I hope so for his sake. I know I really would fear the thought that my own foolishnesses might be with me right to the end.
It is so simple a fact and one that is so hard, apparently, to grasp: Whoever debases others is debasing himself.
soldierant
(8,151 posts)It tool many years of education, acction,, and affirmation before I got to this point.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I don't think you get what he was saying. I think the very fact that you believe his condemnation (and the immense, crushing, eternal white guilt it refers to) applies to the rest of the white race but no longer to you is proof that it does.
Circular reasoning, yes, and as valid now as it was then... (It's actually become wildly popular now, though as a path to truth it's still a tightly closed circle.)
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Emotional reactions are largely unconscious. Most people have to be trained, be it through analysis or meditation, to really understand why they feel the things they feel.
I don't think Baldwin is saying white people walk around consciously aware of the anxiety caused by them being a part of a system they know, deep down, is unjust. That's what makes implicit racism so insidious.
The Mouth
(3,320 posts)I've never had a Black person lay me off, lay off 100's of people, close down a business.
I've never had a Black person trying to scam me and my family after my dad died
I've never had a Black cop terrify the shit out of me when I was pulled over
I've never heard of a Black person starting a war for oil.
I sure as the fuck have experienced white people doing all that.
The only shit I've ever gotten from Black people was when I sucked ass at playing Chicago blues (cause I was a white rock kid).
If I get pulled over by the cops, or go for a job interview, or have some other kind of important interaction, I've no reason to be uneasy.
I have no doubt that the percentage of assholes, sociopaths, and creeps is exactly the same regardless of skin colour, but my experiences have let me to trust other white folks no more than Blacks, Latinos, or Asians.
You know who the people who are 'uneasy' around black people? The white folks who have never had to pull their own weight, or compete equally, who think they get a pass but know they aren't up to snuff.
Just My observation.
oasis
(51,917 posts)Iggo
(48,688 posts)
Not All White People.
But no
BLM4ever
(14 posts)Are all fucked up.
Iggo
(48,688 posts)But they gotta wanna be.
And they cant just want it. They have to work at it.
(And by they, I mean I.)
Straw Man
(6,827 posts)... who was asked why there's such friction between Japanese and Koreans.
"We did a lot of bad things to them in the war," she said, "and they still remember that. So we hate them."