Do they still have those? Seems more appropriate to have fun with cap guns than real guns.

It’s just strange how we never had school shootings or any major shooting incidences when I was a kid In the 70’s and 80’s.

Something went amiss in our country.

The others I never heard about.

And gun violence in the 70's and 80's was worse than it is now.

He had a pistol and a shotgun and he taught us respect for firearms the same way we would respect fire or deep water

Obviously it was a success until something changed in the 2000’s.

It makes me cringe to look at a picture of a child holding a gun and look right down the muzzle

Many of these mass shooters are addicted to first person shooter video games. The argument I agree with is that they don’t make normal people violent, but they can make already sick people worse.

For some reason, this concept of being "dissed" seems to have gained enormous traction in this country, and it apparently excuses any response a person might give - no matter how violent the response is.

I see it even here - on a thread the other day one response read,"If someone said that to me, I'd be in prison" and then everyone agreed how a violent response is justified.

It is a two word phrase and we are very concerned about one of the words. Strangely we are quite accepting of the second.

Arguably it is the second word that should get the greater focus...

There’s no doubt that most of these shooters are male, so we need to start teaching boys early not to give into their violent feelings. Now I know girls can be violent too but not nearly to the extent that boys are. I actually think these drag story hours are beneficial to children. I know doctors always worry about people that have suicide ideations, why don’t we do the same about people who have homicide ideations. Seems like there’s an awful lot of guys in this country he spent a lot of time imagining themselves committing violence.

I don't know if they qualify as "real".

Less dangerous then nerf guns which are capable of inflicting eye injury.

... and to never ever point a weapon at someone, I learned that in gun safety classes from the NRA in the 60s as a child. Weapons, loaded or not, are not toys. How does a kid know if a weapon they pick up at home is loaded or not, let alone the concept of acclimating a child to point a weapon at anyone, loaded or not.

Seriously.

I can't picture you going after kids in a park or yard shooting each other with nerf guns. Or production crews using prop guns, also incapable of firing, on movie or TV sets. Or kids with realistic looking toy guns bought from Walmart or some other place

... and I'd disarm them if they pointed them at the dog or people.

At that time I had firearms in the house, I hunted in the fall like everyone else in Nebraska did. I also had a CO2 pistol for plinking with the kids and if I caught a dog pooping in the yard, I might clip it in the ass to move him along.

My eldest asked me why I might do that. I said I didn't want them to have to play in dog poop. She was quiet for a while and asked me if I could hold the dog down while she shot it in the butt.

Kids should not be playing with real weapons, disabled or not. They're children with a child's brain, for Pete's sake. They should never get used to or comfortable with putting a weapon on someone.

And I am speaking as a kid from the fifties who had to be one of the most toy gun armed boys in the country, who had all sorts of gun related stuff from a bunch of Korean War and WWII vet dads and uncles. I was a junior member of NRA until the mid sixties, and the Shooters Bible in our house was dog eared.

We do not agree on this and that's as far as this discussion goes, we're only repeating ourselves. The last word is purely yours.

We basically agree. We are just going back and forth as to what constitutes 'real'.

My wife and I have nerf guns at our home for the young grandkids to play with and I use them as training aids in teaching gun safety. I always stress to them that if they come across an actual gun, they are not to touch it and to inform sn adult about it. I also tell them that if one or more of their friends has a gun, and there is no adult
present supervising , they are to leave the area immediately and get hold of an adult.

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The dog doesn't know it's doing anything "wrong". You know that right?

I sure hope your eldest changed her attitude toward holding animals down while injuring them. This is horrible.

... they euthanized the dog. If I had ever clipped a dog. I did a favor to the dog and owner because they'd probably would have gotten home before the minimum wage town cop got him.

Two: What's your stand on your kids walking though dog poop, or the potential of your dog catching Parvo from another dog's poop?

Three: do you REALLY think I'd let my daughter shoot any living thing at five years old? I wouldn't let her aim a pop gun at a dog.

Four: If you'd let a dog shit in your yard, would it be OK if I shit in your yard?

Shooting a dog for taking a dump is inexcusable.

During my childhood, I certainly stepped in a few piles. I don't remember my mother or father ever thinking they needed to go attack/ wound/scare/hurt/terrorize an animal because of it. Mom usually told me the same thing she told me when I stepped on a bee barefoot, "Watch where you're going." End of.

How is a human shitting in a yard in anyway comparable to a dog shitting in a yard? The fact that you'd find that in any way analogous tells me all I need to know to exit this "conversation."

whoever is really taking his picture.

That's pretty fuckin real.

Really fucking responsible shit. Because we all know that's what these fucking gun porn shows are really about. Responsibility.

Because their brains are wired to know the difference.

Real responsible.

I very much doubt a great majority of young kids who find a 'hidden' gun and shoot themselves or someone else are routinely allowed to play with them.

Especially after a six year old just shot his fucking teacher.

You can continue the conversation with yourself. No way we will ever see eye to eye on this.

Other then posting on social media.

Which is your right. You most likely have other, more important things to do

As if I expected anything else.

One can tell how much a person cares about an issue or situation by the what they do in response to it.

Just posting an opinion on social media shows that the issue or situation is of little to no importance. It's just something to talk about while killing time .

As this is a discussion board, we are talking about if a deactivated gun can be considered to be a real gun or not as I wait here at a auto shop while the mechanic replaced the forward muffler on my car. Killing time

They had and were aware that real, working guns were on the set of Rust

Many here defended Baldwin for pointing a real gun at the now dead and injured

Kind of like Brandon Lee being killed by a prop gun.. Shit happens

(borderline sicko?) as the 'family photo' shoots for political Christmas cards.

And - along with a few others here - I think there's a good argument for heavily supervised safety and training. There's always been an ingrained fascination there with a very large slice of the youth population (no sense denying it, and it's probably larger now than it ever was. Just as well address in the healthiest ways we can contrive ...

However, cutting through all apologetics, the NRA et al is GROOMING kids.

We need laws against influencing kids about guns before they reach the age of majority.

Advertising like this, as insidious as it is, really does seem to effectively get their target consumers to think 'one ain't enough.' My guess is getting the number of household carrying above 50% would put them back in 2016 profit territory, and this is one way to do it.

Take 'em away and put them in the homes of rational parents.

"I learned it's OK to point a weapon at someone...it makes Dad smile".

"I learned that guns are pretty heavy, but I can hold it steady enough with 2 hands."

"I learned that the trigger pull is something I can handle".

"I learned that we need guns to make us safe from bad people with guns".

Just ask posters in this very thread who are defending this nonsense.

As if every six-year-old is going to fully understand the difference.

Welcome to DU

We will all pay for their soulless parent’s mistakes.

When I was a kid we had toy guns. They looked like toys; some of them fired caps. But we knew they weren't real.
These kids are being desensitized to handling the real thing at incredibly young ages. It's both sad and terrifying at the same time....the next generation of mass murderers is being formed there.