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triron

(22,240 posts)
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 11:10 PM Jun 2023

Who listened to Mary Trump just now answer weissmann's

Question.? She told him that, of course, Donald sold documents to the Saudi government (and implicitly to anyone else) for his benefit
And he doesn't give a damn about US government security interests.
She thinks it preposterous for the DOJ to have given him the deference they have .

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Who listened to Mary Trump just now answer weissmann's (Original Post) triron Jun 2023 OP
I've been saying that for awhile. It's honestly offensive how much deference the DoJ has given him Marius25 Jun 2023 #1
Yes I know. Fucked up. triron Jun 2023 #2
Totally agree. Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Alliepoo Jun 2023 #46
trump monetizes everything he does... Wounded Bear Jun 2023 #3
The media can't face this or is unwilling to. triron Jun 2023 #4
Unwilling.. corp masters. Cha Jun 2023 #8
Yup. Most of them are still unwilling to even call his lies what they are: lies. SunSeeker Jun 2023 #11
I couldn't stand to watch that.. Cha Jun 2023 #15
I watch a handful of shows and read the sources I trust as well. onecaliberal Jun 2023 #31
For the most part true and unforgiveable. The media in general pays no mind to the fact that Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2023 #60
Well said Dark n Stormy Knight! Cha Jun 2023 #61
agreed. in what possible universe did tfg not sell the nuclear secrets he stole? prodigitalson Jun 2023 #47
He could have been claudette Jun 2023 #5
Now I wonder who that could be? triron Jun 2023 #9
And every day he is not locked up Mr.Bill Jun 2023 #6
Part of a gargantuan blunder triron Jun 2023 #10
yeah, trump is a mad drooling Cha Jun 2023 #7
My most fervent hope! liberalla Jun 2023 #19
Yes! Cha Jun 2023 #20
Her most important point is he monetizes everything. BarbD Jun 2023 #12
That's great!👍 rubbersole Jun 2023 #17
How does being German cause his temperment to be a certain way? DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2023 #18
Speaking as a granddaughter of German immigrants and my Austrian immigrant grandmother, BarbD Jun 2023 #48
And when asked about his music markodochartaigh Jun 2023 #52
Thanks DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2023 #55
re: "takes a couple of generations to break free of the stereotypes...when various cultures combine" thesquanderer Jun 2023 #56
She said that Ivanka has changed her name...huh? BigmanPigman Jun 2023 #13
To Kushner. rubbersole Jun 2023 #16
Oh, what was the point of that though? BigmanPigman Jun 2023 #24
Kushner has more money than daddy, now. vanlassie Jun 2023 #44
Oh, that'll help a lot NOT Alice Kramden Jun 2023 #25
I SO hope the particulars of this comes out in the trial Bayard Jun 2023 #14
Indeed! 👍 Duppers Jun 2023 #23
Part of me wonders... Xolodno Jun 2023 #21
Preposterous? Did Mary Trump really say that? Beastly Boy Jun 2023 #22
I can't find the answer to this but I'm half blind. NoSheep Jun 2023 #53
Mary Trump was interviewed by Lawrence O 'Donnell on Last Word. triron Jun 2023 #54
Yes. And even if true, it's so easy for things to get distorted/misrepresented through paraphrasing. thesquanderer Jun 2023 #59
My guess is until the DOJ and NA demanded the return of all documents, no_hypocrisy Jun 2023 #26
My guess, too. wnylib Jun 2023 #50
Photocopiers and scanners are not new inventions. thesquanderer Jun 2023 #58
This is not a coincidence: Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #27
THIS, is what needs to be bluestarone Jun 2023 #28
Agreed. It's a rabbit hole of horrors, this POS is responsible for. n/t halobeam Jun 2023 #29
A whole new level of terror. triron Jun 2023 #30
They had no problem with saying the Walker family sold Farmer-Rick Jun 2023 #32
The south Florida trial is only the beginning. Danascot Jun 2023 #37
Thanks so much for that info Farmer-Rick Jun 2023 #39
Andrew Weissmann just tweeted a link to this thread ... Jarqui Jun 2023 #33
Wow. BumRushDaShow Jun 2023 #35
I don't recall it. Jarqui Jun 2023 #38
I never watch Andrea Mitchell's show but have it on today BumRushDaShow Jun 2023 #40
Uh oh. triron Jun 2023 #36
agree with her. republianmushroom Jun 2023 #34
it's always been a fine line to maintain some deference to a former president and leader of a LymphocyteLover Jun 2023 #41
Jack, as noted here elsewhere, has only revealed say 30% of what they have on TFG. Keep in... machoneman Jun 2023 #43
There are missing documents and empty folders LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2023 #45
Mary Trump shouldn't say things like that SpankMe Jun 2023 #49
Was Ms. Trump under oath? Or are you joking? littlemissmartypants Jun 2023 #51
Who is Weissmann? Is there any link/clip for this Mary Trump comment? n/t thesquanderer Jun 2023 #57
 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
1. I've been saying that for awhile. It's honestly offensive how much deference the DoJ has given him
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 11:13 PM
Jun 2023

Jack Texeira did basically the same thing Trump did on a smaller scale, and he's been in prison since he was arrested.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
42. Totally agree.
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 01:18 PM
Jun 2023

I can't state my true opinion of Merrick Garland's conduct and foot-dragging over the past 2.5 years because I'll be scolded and warned about dissing Democrats.

Response to Sky Jewels (Reply #42)

Wounded Bear

(64,836 posts)
3. trump monetizes everything he does...
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 11:15 PM
Jun 2023

to think he hasn't sold anything for profit by now is naive in the extreme.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,486 posts)
60. For the most part true and unforgiveable. The media in general pays no mind to the fact that
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 02:43 PM
Jun 2023

TFG attempted a coup on our country. That should be included in every single mention of him in any news media.

However, in our house we do listen regularly to Rachel Maddow, Laurence O'Donnell, and our newest addition--Ari Melber. All of whom are appropriately critical of the iDJT.


Hope you're doing well, Cha! (At least well as can be expected in these times, anyway!)

Cha

(321,544 posts)
61. Well said Dark n Stormy Knight!
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 02:56 PM
Jun 2023

And, a lot of times We the People get those Elected who Support Our Democracy In Spite of the RW Enemy of the State "media" in our Country.

It's Surreal what we have to go through to Fight the Fascist Overtaking.

Doing well as can be expected.. yes.. Thank you and I hope you and yours are, too!

prodigitalson

(3,209 posts)
47. agreed. in what possible universe did tfg not sell the nuclear secrets he stole?
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 04:05 PM
Jun 2023

he had them

they are worth a shitload of money to some really bad actors

he knows this

he is good buds with those same people

his son in law got an inexplicable financial windfall from, wait for it...those same people

he sold nuclear secret to the saudis, maybe others, but definitely the saudis.

no way he didn't

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
5. He could have been
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 11:21 PM
Jun 2023

and should have been indicted a LONG time ago - now who is responsible for dillydallying? We all know the answer to that. The trial regarding the stolen documents might have been over by now. Who knows?

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
6. And every day he is not locked up
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 11:22 PM
Jun 2023

he has the potential to do untold damage to the country. Letting him walk out of that courtroom tomorrow is a huge mistake.

Cha

(321,544 posts)
7. yeah, trump is a mad drooling
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 11:26 PM
Jun 2023

treasonous fool.

I think DOJ is being Cool but have been building a solid Steel Trap for him.

BarbD

(1,535 posts)
12. Her most important point is he monetizes everything.
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 12:03 AM
Jun 2023

It is a difficult concept to remember, but it explains everything he does. There is no doubt in my mind that he has sold out to the Russians and Saudis. Notice that he keeps referring to "my boxes", not "the boxes".

This is the dark side of the German temperament. I know my relatives are all German.

The old European joke holds true: Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks French, the mechanics German, the lovers Italian, and it is all run and organized by the Swiss. Hell has German police, British cooks, Swiss lovers, French mechanics and is organized and run by Italians.

BarbD

(1,535 posts)
48. Speaking as a granddaughter of German immigrants and my Austrian immigrant grandmother,
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 04:23 PM
Jun 2023

We are hard wired in certain ways. When growing up in an environment that encourages emotional control, a stubborn desire for order, and working hard, it is difficult to go against the tide. We are complicated. It has always been interesting to me that a society that could produce magnificent composers such as Bach, Brahms, Beethoven and Mozart could also produce the Master Race theory resulting in the holocaust.

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
52. And when asked about his music
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 06:15 PM
Jun 2023

JS Bach said "My music is better because I work harder. Anyone who works as hard as me will write music that is just as good."

DontBelieveEastisEas

(1,211 posts)
55. Thanks
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 11:45 PM
Jun 2023

I think it only takes a couple of generations to break free of the cultural stereotypes.
Especially when various cultures combine.
Also, living in the USA sets one mostly free of the old world cultures.


I'm not sure if you mean genetics when you say "hard wired". Although, most agree, things are a combination of genetics and environment.

I think the traits you mention are almost entirely environmental, by the way.


I have thought long and hard about how the German's could have followed Hitler.
I now know, having experienced Trump.

And at a certain point, almost all would be to afraid to speak up against the group. And it would be like being swept along by a fast flowing current.

thesquanderer

(13,171 posts)
56. re: "takes a couple of generations to break free of the stereotypes...when various cultures combine"
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 08:39 AM
Jun 2023

That has long been a European/American distinction, even if less true today than in the past... European countries tended to be insular and largely homogenous, compared to the American "melting pot." There wasn't so much combining of various cultures. So it would have been easier for certain cultural norms/behaviors/priorities to persist.

BigmanPigman

(55,742 posts)
24. Oh, what was the point of that though?
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 01:26 AM
Jun 2023

Does she think that will erase all connections to her monster father?

Alice Kramden

(2,989 posts)
25. Oh, that'll help a lot NOT
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 01:29 AM
Jun 2023

When Jared is busted for his many crimes. I feel sorry for their children

Bayard

(30,660 posts)
14. I SO hope the particulars of this comes out in the trial
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 12:11 AM
Jun 2023

That would put him away for good.

Xolodno

(7,381 posts)
21. Part of me wonders...
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 12:54 AM
Jun 2023

...if he gave/sold some documents to Putin (and they could have just been "just in case" documents). Which prompted him to start the war.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
22. Preposterous? Did Mary Trump really say that?
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 12:55 AM
Jun 2023

Is that a quote or an interpretation?

I just find it difficult to believe that someone with Mary Trump's background would publicly engage in such shallow second-guessing of DOJ.

NoSheep

(8,393 posts)
53. I can't find the answer to this but I'm half blind.
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 06:19 PM
Jun 2023

Do people post sources anymore? There was a time here when you couldn't type a word without backing it up. I'm old. I'm pissed and I don't want to read through an entire thread to see if this has been substantiated.

thesquanderer

(13,171 posts)
59. Yes. And even if true, it's so easy for things to get distorted/misrepresented through paraphrasing.
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 08:52 AM
Jun 2023

Without a verifiable source, I generally assume almost everything is at least somewhat wrong.

no_hypocrisy

(55,732 posts)
26. My guess is until the DOJ and NA demanded the return of all documents,
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 06:43 AM
Jun 2023

TFG was negotiating for a price.

Once they were on to him, he sold the most important documents before they could be discovered.

thesquanderer

(13,171 posts)
58. Photocopiers and scanners are not new inventions.
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 08:49 AM
Jun 2023

All these speculations about his holding onto the docs in order to sell their valuable information doesn't explain why he couldn't have returned the docs and merely kept copies. It's the info that matters. A copy is as good as an original. It's not like they're Picassos.

Scrivener7

(60,372 posts)
27. This is not a coincidence:
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 09:45 AM
Jun 2023
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/
CIA admits to losing dozens of informants around the world: NYT
Leading counterintelligence officials issued a memo to all of the CIA’s global stations saying that a concerning number of U.S. informants were being captured and executed.

The CIA’s counterintelligence mission center investigated dozens of incidents in the last few years that involved killings, arrests or compromises of foreign informants. In an unusual move, the message sent via a top secret cable included the specific number of agents killed by other intelligence agencies, according to The New York Times.


Note the date.

Farmer-Rick

(12,853 posts)
32. They had no problem with saying the Walker family sold
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 10:50 AM
Jun 2023

Our country's crypto secrets to Russia in1985. It was plastered everywhere.

Regan got caught in the process of selling materials to China, Iraq, and Libya for $13 million. In 2021.And that was plastered all over the news.

So little poopy pants Donnie should be treated the same way. But for some reason DOJ has said nothing about who he sold the documents to. Nor has our corporate monopoly media seemed to care.

This is sounding more and more like the Mueller case. Where only a few pardoned coconspirators will be successfully prosecuted. I hope not.

But from sitting on juries myself, I always want to know why a person committed a crime and profit in a capitalist system is a huge motivator. Him wanting to hold them, love them and keep them just doesn't wash.

Danascot

(5,338 posts)
37. The south Florida trial is only the beginning.
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 11:55 AM
Jun 2023

He will be also charged in relation to the classified documents case in DC at a minimum. I've heard mention there may be as many as six in the pipeline. The next most likely would be in New Jersey (home of Trump National in Bedminister NJ.)

The other classified documents cases don't involve J6 which is hugely complicated and involves dozens (hundreds?) of participants so the trial would take much longer in court and be much more difficult for the average citizen to grasp. Smith won't go ahead with J6 until he has it nailed down as thoroughly as he has the case that starts today.

I'd be shocked to learn Trump didn't sell top secret documents that endanger national security and may have resulted in the deaths of CIA agents or their sources.

I think Jack Smith may be releasing documents related charges a little at a time to allow the American people to get acclimated to the idea of the most serious crimes Trump committed. (Only my opinion). We here at DU would have no problem believing he sold secrets but the majority of citizens are probably not at that point yet.

The south Florida case should be a slam dunk and could get him a maximum of 400 years in prison. So that would take him out of circulation until the other cases can get going.

Make sure you stock up on popcorn. It could be scarce in stores for a while.

Farmer-Rick

(12,853 posts)
39. Thanks so much for that info
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 12:26 PM
Jun 2023

I had forgotten there were more indictments in the pipeline.

From your keyboard to god's ears hopefully.

BumRushDaShow

(173,564 posts)
35. Wow.
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 11:37 AM
Jun 2023

Has he ever done that before? I know a tiny handful of folks like Tom Hartmann, David Cay Johnston, and Alan Grayson have accounts here and I think Rachel & Keith may have referenced DU way in the past. But Weissmann was a surprise.

Jarqui

(10,931 posts)
38. I don't recall it.
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 12:17 PM
Jun 2023

I really enjoy his appearances more than any of the other legal experts.
I can't recall when he's been wrong.
He keeps it accessible. Plenty of insight. Great examples one can relate to.
He presents very understandable points of view on what is taking place.
It is balanced. A little left leaning but he tries to take no sides.

It is wonderful he linked the thread.

BumRushDaShow

(173,564 posts)
40. I never watch Andrea Mitchell's show but have it on today
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 12:28 PM
Jun 2023

in advance of the indictment and he is on there now.

LymphocyteLover

(10,427 posts)
41. it's always been a fine line to maintain some deference to a former president and leader of a
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 01:02 PM
Jun 2023

major party and treating him like the deranged traitor he is.

machoneman

(4,128 posts)
43. Jack, as noted here elsewhere, has only revealed say 30% of what they have on TFG. Keep in...
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 01:27 PM
Jun 2023

..mind that the goal was to get an indictment but only show the full scope and details of all the evidence at the actual trial. It's a common strategy btw.

LetMyPeopleVote

(183,948 posts)
45. There are missing documents and empty folders
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 01:56 PM
Jun 2023

I have no doubt that TFG sold some of these documents

SpankMe

(3,807 posts)
49. Mary Trump shouldn't say things like that
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 05:38 PM
Jun 2023

She's opening herself up to civil, or even criminal, charges of making false statements unsupported by facts.

She can say stuff like "...in [her] opinion Donald would be capable of something like that...". But she can't say "of course he did" unless she was a witness to it or has evidence of it.

We Donald detractors have got to toe a somewhat fine line so as not to give the other side ammunition to throw at us - especially legal ammo.

The last thing I want is for Mary Trump or other critics of the Orange Goblin to be silenced or penalized for over-exuberant opining.

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