back in the day. Trump's actions were much more extreme, especially since he refused to return the documents even under the possibility of a search warrant.

Our friend had to pass various background checks to get and keep her job. When she was first hired, she had to take a polygraph test. They told her all of the questions in advance and told her that during the test she should answer truthfully with a clear conscience.

One question, however, was, “Have you ever used illegal drugs?” She never had except for once when she unknowingly was given a pot brownie. She explained what happened so they changed the question to, “Have you ever knowingly used illegal drugs?” Obviously, she passed the test!

She has been a dedicated civil servant and Americans are fortunate there are so many like her in the levels of our governments.

They had me attend an orientation with a lot of other applicants. We filled out an info packet but were told to skip "section 4" until we were all finished with the others. Section 4 had to do with prior drug use. The agent in charge explained that prior drug use had been an automatic disqualification until recently. Due to admitted drug use by a former President (Clinton) it is no longer was. We were told to be completely truthful because our next meeting would involve a lie detector test and the first question would be whether we were truthful on section 4. Well, I had experimented about 5 times with marijuana when I was younger and was honest with my answers.

The next week I received a letter saying I'd been disqualified due to prior drug use. They got me.

pot a few times.

I was thinking about this yesterday, watching the news guys explain in detail where they think Hurricane Lee might go. If they can explain that kind of thing, why can't they explain other important issues? Why can't they explain why and how documents are classified, and the implications?

But the media have their own agenda, and apportioning blame to just one side doesn't serve that agenda. Yes, they could explain the whole issue in terms that most folks would understand, but that would end the fun of poking the Biden administration for mishandling classified documents.

The intelligence agencies have documented the damage done to agents and informants in other countries, but those reports have gone largely ignored in the breathless race to keep up with developments.

"News" isn't legally mandated to tell the whole truth and nothing but.

If we need to know more, it's all on us.

i have zero doubt there is already a butcher’s bill.

bringing those classified military documents to Trump.

...is in the future of many deserving Trump people. Including their head traitor, of course.

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I don't think he'd be that popular to quite a few cons, and you never know what could happen.

his Secret Service protection (even if only while in prison), gen pop wpu;d be a nightmre for the correctional officers. Solitary would be a much better way to keep him safe - not to mention amuch better argument for giving the Secret Service a time out during his imprisonment,

Yeah, gen pop and no SS might be fun but it ain;'t going to happen.

Trump deserves to be hung in public.

But trump didn't try to stop Pence from being hung in public, in fact he said Pence might deserve it.

But it's the law, and it must be reckoned with.

And the some in the FBI didn't want to serve trump with search warrant.

Trump was told that he could not legally take documents when he left office. He did it anyways. He also took boxes of classified documents on trips to other countries, and those boxes were left in his hotel room. Why were they not left on AF One where they would be guarded? Presumably most of those documents had nothing to do with the trip he was on. Were they guarded in his hotel room? And if not because the SS would be with Trump, was there an arrangement for spies to access the documents there? That’s pure speculation of course, but Trump did a lot of things that made no sense unless he was trying to undermine the US government.

The other big question that we’re unlikely to get answered is whether Trump sold the information in the top-secret documents and to whom. Even if they can’t tell us, I hope our security services indeed do know exactly which documents are still missing and what information was in all of them. If their intelligence shows that another country has information they shouldn’t they’ll know Trump sold it or gave it to them, though I doubt he would ever be prosecuted. Too may secrets that could compromise national intelligence.

It's unlikely she would have been shot, but she might have spent some fun-filled days at a black site in Albania chatting about sources and methods.

The irony of all of this for Trump is the same as for Nixon - the underlying crime is fairly mild, but the cover-up attempt may mean serious time. Generally, simple improper possession of classified material in the absence of evidence of espionage is a fairly mild offense. Fines & probation. And being ex President would have earned him a certain amount of grace. But the feds take Obstruction of Justice very seriously.

I think that stealing hundreds and hundreds of government documents and leaving them sitting around public places, and his bathroom, is a stunning breach of our nation's secrecy and speaks to a personal agenda and intent. That's not fairly mild. I don't consider that as simple improper possession. Especially since he moved them around and took them overseas with him.

Yes, we'll never know who he sold info to, who he showed restricted docs to (except the Bedminster docs), and we can get him on obstruction, which I hope gets him 20 years. But, this has wider implications than just a mild infraction. We all know it.

The only reason he is out campaigning instead of languishing in a jail cell for even a single unreturned doc is because people without brains elected him pRes. There is no telling how many overseas assets he got killed. He's a pr*ck. He's not some mild mannered dotard playing with his souvenirs. And, he has the absolute nerve to tell us that if he is reelected, he's going to arrest all his enemies. He's a fascist, wannabe dictator who doesn't deserve any slack for what he did.

Sorry, it just irritates me no end. There is no comparison to Biden or Pence here. Trump just thought he could bully his way through to whatever profit the docs represented, and he thinks he's such a clever guy.

I personally don't think that people who steal even one doc under the pretense of whistleblowing should be excused. If you take an oath, keep it, or quit.

He's outlived his "grace" period. Time for prison.

Very enlightening.

The trail can't start soon enough for me. Oof.

...are too sensitive to mention. Is that what you mean?