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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAI reality: FedEx is automating the kind of work I used to do for very good money.
The first time I made a hundred dollars in a day was loading trucks with random sized stuff.
Here's a machine doing that kind of work:
I wasn't even any kind of full time employee, just a part-timer who could set his own schedule. I was also going to school. I was paid union wages even though I wasn't formally union. (Hollywood works the same way if you find yourself, for example, in a one-off reality show gig.)
I'd get a call a five o'clock in the morning that the place I was working for needed more hands to unload load or unload trucks and I could say "yes" or "no." Me answering "no" didn't seem to impact the number of calls I got at all, for the most part because I was reliably available on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays. If I got the call on half those days I was happy.
That's also how I flunked an organic chemistry class. I got in the habit of ditching classes to work. Unfortunately o-chem is not the kind of class you can ditch and expect to pass.
Ah, those were the days when gasoline for my little car was free and I could pay my monthly rent with a few days work...
My work then was not replaced by AI.
What happened is that unions got broken and people who could do this work were paid less and less.
Fuck you Ronald Reagan and your "revolution."
Twenty years after I'd moved on from this kind of work the people who were still doing it were paid no more than I was even as inflation ate away at their purchasing power and their working conditions became a lot more restrictive. They no longer had any power to say "no" or demand comfortable living wages.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)they are immune. Society really needs to figure out how this will be handled.
highplainsdem
(62,822 posts)since ChatGPT was released.
Part of the rush is a land grab: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218315992
And part of it is a deliberate attempt to get AI used so widely, so quickly, that it will seem so necessary to commerce that attempts to regulate it will fail, and so will lawsuits over the vast theft of intellectual property that generative AI models have been trained on.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)edisdead
(3,396 posts)This has been happening since the 80s with auto workers and even before with other machines.
People need to vote better.
hlthe2b
(114,403 posts)how well the extremes will work out. From my own and colleagues' standpoints, I can't tell you how often clinical intuition makes a damned big difference--even if there is not confirmatory lab, scans, or other data to prove it. And especially on an emergent basis. That may also be the case in law, though again, it will be an adjunct assist.
I absolutely hope there are limits on it--particularly in informational uses, publishing, and journalism.
And, customer service is already so horrendous, it is horrible to think about it getting worse, but it might with an AI assist. That might be the straw that breaks the "public's" back.
Demobrat
(10,307 posts)since the eighties. Its been a decent living doing work I enjoy. Im a creative. My job is to come up with the right words to communicate a benefit. My job is being replaced by AI.
Nobody is safe.
hunter
(40,807 posts)She was not a happy person in most of her working life.
Gardening and early childhood development were her passions. She was certified at the master's level in both.
Neither aptitude ever paid as well as the "creative" schlock.
I grew up in a family where my parents were both artists with day jobs.
They achieved full time artist status when my dad retired with a good union pension.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)hunter
(40,807 posts)Here's your healthy diet, here's your safe comfortable housing, here's your medical care.
You are encouraged to build whatever utopia you imagine from there.
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)Depaving the cities is going to be the most controversial thing we do.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)EX500rider
(12,677 posts)And how to get people to be productive if they don't have to be
rubbersole
(11,263 posts)former9thward
(33,424 posts)EX500rider
(12,677 posts)Does every person get it or just adults and then just adults with low income, and how low because lots would quit their jobs to meet to meet the requirement.
Don't think the math will work in a country of 332 million, 250 million are adults.
250 million X's even $30,000 is LOT of $ every year, like over 7 trillion dollars.
MichMan
(17,315 posts)No income limits.
pinkstarburst
(2,073 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 2, 2023, 07:07 PM - Edit history (1)
People are happy to cheer UBI as the magic solution before trying to do any math.
Only 66 million adults are on social security, with an average yearly payment of $21,000, and we can't even come up with a way to pay for that.
250 million adults in the US would be eligible for UBI.
Just saying "taxing billionaires" isn't close to the amount of money needed.
DiamondShark
(1,167 posts)There are only 8,000 million people on the planet.
rubbersole
(11,263 posts)Plus income tax rates pre-Reagan without loopholes. Everyone below $150K per year qualifies for $25K. Probably more math than I'm capable of...
EX500rider
(12,677 posts)32% of Americans earning at least $150,000 a year.
Of 250,000,000 adults, minus roughly the 83 million who make that much leaves us 167 million who would get $25,000, I think that's still 4.1 trillion dollars a year, some higher income tax and 15% import tax may not cut it.
Imports are around $3.4 trillion, 15% of that will be 566 billion I think, nowhere near the amount needed, raising taxes on the 32% by almost 3 trillion is not feasible.
rubbersole
(11,263 posts)...that proposed a version of a guaranteed basic income and tax rates from 1975 plus an import tax. The percentages and details adjusted to make it feasible. (What I suggested above was pulled out of my....) That politician would be as popular as FDR. The military budget adjusted for reality is a topic for another discussion.
MichMan
(17,315 posts)55% >$38k
66% >$70k
70% >$100k
Taxing all income at 1975 levels and rates would likely raise quite a bit. So taxes just like we had back then, plus a 15% excise tax on all imported products, would raise quite a bit.
I would expect that our trading partners would then impose a 15% on all our exports in retaliation. The question is how much UBI and is it also taxable income ?
rubbersole
(11,263 posts)..that even remotely attempts to address wealth inequality. It's only going to get worse.
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Mariana
(15,629 posts)That isn't likely to change.
airplaneman
(1,392 posts)magicarpet
(19,178 posts)When robotics and Artificial Intelligence really steps into the forefront after the bugs are worked out employment is in for nasty awakening.
Wait for the railroad trains, passenger trains, delivery trucks, tractor trailer trucks, taxi cabs, and GrubHub, Door Dash and other food delivery all become driver-less and fully autonomous vehicles.
Artificial Intelligence is making a big dent in white collar jobs too. At one time they thought these jobs would be spared the coming robotic age.
tinrobot
(12,104 posts)Robots have been replacing humans for decades.
There's not many welders or painters on auto assembly lines anymore, for example. Replaced by robots in the 70s-90s.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)hunter
(40,807 posts)I've got the skills and education.
It's not for everybody.
There were so many days I was just happy loading trucks.
Demobrat
(10,307 posts)are under rated.
hunter
(40,807 posts)The most difficult job I ever had was teaching science in an overcrowded severely underfunded big city public school.
That work was always in my head 24/7.
And how I met my wife.
When my wife was accepted to graduate school in a distant state (we'd met teaching) I eagerly followed her.
My lab and clerical skills, which I could usually leave at work, blessed relief, paid most of the bills, even with babies.
Rebl2
(17,893 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 30, 2023, 09:02 PM - Edit history (1)
this with post office twenty or more years ago. Not so much robots, but machines that sorted packages and mail. My husband was an electronic technician that worked on computers on these machines and maintained them. Many of his coworkers were always asking him to help them figure out a problem because they simply did not understand how to fix or didnt want to learn. The majority of them were right wing maga idiots. Finally he had enough years of service and finally got fed up and retired.
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)Mib showed us how this works. Dijoy needs to be sent home.
IronLionZion
(51,498 posts)Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)MacDonald's needs a new store model franchise revision with no hiring humans, just kiosks and robo workers to cut down overhead, a couple cashier's, online orders, done.