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Pototan

(2,394 posts)
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 09:28 PM Feb 2024

The E. Jean Carrol case should be enough

I think that the civil findings against Donald Trump in the rape case should be enough to convince any "normal" voter that Trump is unqualified to serve as President of the United States. Please don't reply about MAGAts being unconvinced. Any conviction in any case will not dissuade the hard-core cultists. I already know that. I don't live under a rock. I'm talking about the slice of the electorate, mostly Independents, who can still be persuaded.

Every time an elected official, like Chris Sununu, for example, or Nikki Haley, say that they will support Trump in a General Election against Biden, they should be confronted with the question, "are you comfortable supporting a person who is adjudicated as a rapist by a unanimous jury verdict?"

In response to anyone who says that this was a New York jury, first of all, a lot of those jurors in the first case came from counties that Trump carried. Second, Trump still got more than a third of the vote in New York, why didn't he get at least 3 not responsible votes from the jury?

Trump is a rapist, pure and simple.

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The E. Jean Carrol case should be enough (Original Post) Pototan Feb 2024 OP
Amen!!! TSExile Feb 2024 #1
Yep malaise Feb 2024 #2
Republicans are pigs just like trump. pwb Feb 2024 #3
Mitt Romney agrees Johonny Feb 2024 #4
Trump could have raped and murdered on fifth avenue BOSSHOG Feb 2024 #5
More and more people are becoming anti-tRump BigmanPigman Feb 2024 #6
I wish I had a dime Tickle Feb 2024 #14
It is my own personal barometer BigmanPigman Feb 2024 #16
Thank you for all you are doing ❤️ NT Tickle Feb 2024 #22
I can NOT stand by without doing a little BigmanPigman Feb 2024 #25
Or create ads about US House findings that he purposely Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2024 #7
Hahahahahaaaa... "normal" voter! Do you ever listen to RW talk radio or TV? progressoid Feb 2024 #8
The normal voter are not MAGATs... Pototan Feb 2024 #10
Mea Culpa progressoid Feb 2024 #12
The normal voters were the 81 million who voted against Trump Pototan Feb 2024 #13
The same was said of this tape. sheshe2 Feb 2024 #9
It would have been, except for the Comey letter Pototan Feb 2024 #11
Enough? mnmoderatedem Feb 2024 #15
Enough for "normal" voters means Pototan Feb 2024 #18
interesting point. Helps put things in perspective if the only concern in the election. ecstatic Feb 2024 #17
Sexual assault transcends gender, age, race and political ideology. TSExile Feb 2024 #19
Think you're right. limbicnuminousity Feb 2024 #20
K&R spanone Feb 2024 #21
Post removed Post removed Feb 2024 #23
What flavour pizza do you like? niyad Feb 2024 #24
I agree. We don't need the MAGAts to change their mind. LiberalFighter Feb 2024 #26

pwb

(12,236 posts)
3. Republicans are pigs just like trump.
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 09:38 PM
Feb 2024

Everything they are against is fake. IMO They are men who can never get laid and women who never had an orgasm. They are far from religious but claim righteousness. On and on.

BOSSHOG

(41,381 posts)
5. Trump could have raped and murdered on fifth avenue
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 10:13 PM
Feb 2024

While shown live on the local news and magas would support him and send him money. Haley and. Sununu would wait a couple of weeks to support him. Those who trump may be blackmailing would have to weigh their options. Susan Collins will tell us trump will soon learn his lesson. Ted Cruz will fly to Cancun. Mitch McConnel will mumble something about the rule of law. And the freak show will roll on.

You are right Pototan.

BigmanPigman

(52,669 posts)
6. More and more people are becoming anti-tRump
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 10:23 PM
Feb 2024

I personally realized it today when I went to my doctor for my yearly check-up. Last weekend I remade my anti-tRump earrings since the ones I had made in 2016 broke a few weeks ago after not wearing earrings for 3 years, due to masking for Covid and the straps would get caught in my earrings. The medical assistant said she liked my earrings then we started to chat while I waited. She told me that she has never been very political but that the last few years has opened her eyes to what the GOP stands for and she is really pissed off! And this is in San Diego.

My gut tells me that the GOP has really fucked themselves this time. GOOD!!!!! They have screwed around with women's rights and they are going to get nailed in Nov by the women in the US. I hope the fucking moron continues to say he will make abortion illegal. That BS drives voters away from the GOP.

BigmanPigman

(52,669 posts)
16. It is my own personal barometer
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 10:34 PM
Feb 2024

for judging the popularity of the fucking moron. So far it has proved to be spot on. I make home made anti-trump bumper stickers and lapel pins and have for 7 years and have gotten pretty good at discerning the political environment based on reactions from others. Along with my gut instincts, which are usually right when I actually listen to them, I have been pretty accurate but I don't want to jinx myself so I rarely admit it even to myself. I am superstitious and I make tRump voodoo dolls and put curses on him (for added measure...you can never over do anything that could get that bastard out of the picture permanently). You have to cover all the bases with the orange Nazi, even crazy superstitions. GOTV is great but I do even more in my own little, personal ways.

BigmanPigman

(52,669 posts)
25. I can NOT stand by without doing a little
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 10:03 PM
Feb 2024

something, anything. I think that it relieves my frustration about the current state of affairs. If I did nothing I would not only feel guilty but most likely I would explode all over my apartment...very messy clean-up.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
7. Or create ads about US House findings that he purposely
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 11:12 PM
Feb 2024

Withheld PPE from blue state doctors and nurses.

progressoid

(51,077 posts)
8. Hahahahahaaaa... "normal" voter! Do you ever listen to RW talk radio or TV?
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 12:13 AM
Feb 2024

This won't deter them. Just like the "grab 'em by the p****" didn't deter them.

progressoid

(51,077 posts)
12. Mea Culpa
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 01:59 PM
Feb 2024

You did make that clear. I just have a hard time seeing "normal" voters when 74 million had no problem voting for him last time.

Pototan

(2,394 posts)
13. The normal voters were the 81 million who voted against Trump
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 06:54 AM
Feb 2024

and for Biden.

Especially the 7 million voters that gave us the margin of victory.

sheshe2

(90,301 posts)
9. The same was said of this tape.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 12:32 AM
Feb 2024
"Grab ’em by the pussy”: how Trump talked about women in private is horrifying

https://www.vox.com/2016/10/7/13205842/trump-secret-recording-women

Back then I honestly thought that was the end for him. It was frightening that it was not. It says a lot about American culture with Republicans.

VOTE!

mnmoderatedem

(3,854 posts)
15. Enough?
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 07:05 AM
Feb 2024

There's never enough to convince the trump davidian cult.

He can be caught on tape saying he can grab them by the youknowwhat, be labeled a rapist by a judge, never attend any church unless it's a photo op, and still be Mr Evangelical in their eyes.

He can say John McCain is not a war hero because he was captured, call Vietnam vets suckers and losers, publicly insult military generals, and still be Mr military patriot.

There's simply no line he can ever cross. I get that you intend your post toward moderates, but, while these things I mentioned will never resonate with trumpers, they never really seem to resonate with moderates either, where they certainly would for anyone else, democrat or republican.

Pototan

(2,394 posts)
18. Enough for "normal" voters means
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 12:30 AM
Feb 2024

the 84 million who voted for Biden. Especially the 7 million that gave him the margin in the popular vote.

My OP already disregarded the Trump MAGAt cultists. No shittin' they can't be convinced. As I said in my OP, I don't live under a rock.

ecstatic

(34,662 posts)
17. interesting point. Helps put things in perspective if the only concern in the election.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 11:35 PM
Feb 2024

If someone doesn't give AF about the E Jean Carrol case, they likely won't give AF about his being a convicted insurrectionist either.

That said, I think, as one of trump's January 6th (indirect) victims, I just wanted to feel like some sort of justice was achieved prior to him potentially getting back into the White House. I think it's kind of a sanity thing, completely separate from how these cases will affect his chances.

Also, there's a moral component as well - why do we have a country where it's possible for a white male insurrectionist to run again and dispose of all the charges against himself? It seems -- banana republic like. There are so many layers of unfairness to unpack, it's really hard to drop it and let it go.

TSExile

(3,363 posts)
19. Sexual assault transcends gender, age, race and political ideology.
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 12:40 AM
Feb 2024

The message is very simple and needs to be repeated as such: if you support him, you are supporting a rapist.

limbicnuminousity

(1,411 posts)
20. Think you're right.
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 12:40 AM
Feb 2024

Anyone not disgusted by the rape and defamation of E Jean Carroll is unlikely to be swayed by any of the other issues.

I still think he'll lose his marbles and become utterly dysfunctional by November but that may be wishful thinking. If we're testing the moral integrity of the country though, this should be enough.

Response to Pototan (Original post)

niyad

(122,581 posts)
24. What flavour pizza do you like?
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 11:15 AM
Feb 2024

For your information, there is NO "rape demeanor" but, hey, nice try.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
26. I agree. We don't need the MAGAts to change their mind.
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 10:11 PM
Feb 2024

They are just a small group within the Republican Party. And I doubt there are many Independents that fall in line with them. More of them will likely drop off and either vote for Biden or someone else.

Keep this in mind. For every person that voted for Trump in 2020 and votes for Biden is a 2 vote difference. If they don't vote or vote for someone else it is a 1 vote advantage for Biden.

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