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Pototan

(3,084 posts)
Sun May 5, 2024, 07:43 AM May 2024

The case for Democrats to vote against a motion to vacate

And let's be clear. To vote against a motion to vacate is not the same thing as a vote for Johnson to be Speaker. That may be the end result, but voting no on the motion to vacate is a separate matter.

The motion to vacate, brought by the most radical of MAGA cultists in the U.S. House of Representatives is retribution against Mike Johnson for compromising with the Democrats and allowing a vote on bills to fund our allies in Ukraine, Israel and Tiwan. To vote with Marjorie Taylor Greene would send a horrible message in an attempt to find any compromise or consensus in the House. It's not that Johnson needs Democrats to save him, it's that MTG and other extreme MAGAts need Democrats to sink him. Democrats will decide, one way or another, on this issue. And this vote against a motion to vacate is truly a lesser of two evils (I usually hate this phrase, but in this case, it's fitting. Both sides are a different degree of evil). It is a binary choice. And I think the choice is clear. MTG is more evil than Mike Johnson.

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The case for Democrats to vote against a motion to vacate (Original Post) Pototan May 2024 OP
It's even easier bottomofthehill May 2024 #1
You're correct Pototan May 2024 #4
I think... Mike Nelson May 2024 #2
I've been reading that Dems (generally) believe that Johnson negotiates and works with Dems in good faith Texin May 2024 #15
Hakeem Jeffries has said he would back the speaker. Demsrule86 May 2024 #17
And the country and the world does not need this level of disruption now. He would just be replaced by another vile... dutch777 May 2024 #3
One more vile, actually. marble falls May 2024 #6
The MAGAts will make fools of themselves simply by making the motion to vacate. lastlib May 2024 #13
That deal is already on the table. Johnson gets it. McCarthy had the same one and then he allowed the ... marble falls May 2024 #5
So far, Johnson has consulted God and God helped him make a good decision regarding Ukraine. 3Hotdogs May 2024 #7
MAGAts don't differentiate between the two Zambero May 2024 #9
MTG is just following her orders from multigraincracker May 2024 #8
She would cede BOTH Georgias in a heartbeat Zambero May 2024 #10
Has this level of discord ever existed before in Congress? Maybe before the Civil War started? NoMoreRepugs May 2024 #11
Reducing the influence of MTG no_hypocrisy May 2024 #12
If MAGAt Mike hasn't lied to Dems, as Kremlin Kevin did, then no good reason to vote to vacate. Hermit-The-Prog May 2024 #14
I don't foresee either being successful. Qutzupalotl May 2024 #16

bottomofthehill

(9,375 posts)
1. It's even easier
Sun May 5, 2024, 08:01 AM
May 2024

There should be a motion to table the Greene resolution to Vacate. They only have to vote to table the resolution. It will accomplish the same goal without having to vote for Speaker Johnson

Pototan

(3,084 posts)
4. You're correct
Sun May 5, 2024, 08:07 AM
May 2024

A motion to table accomplishes the same thing. It's just worded differently and more palatable. The motion to table will receive at least 400 votes.

Mike Nelson

(10,943 posts)
2. I think...
Sun May 5, 2024, 08:02 AM
May 2024

... Democrats negotiated this in exchange for the recent bills passed over MTG's objections. Probably, Dems told Johnson they would not let her do this if he negotiated the deals. To "save" him at this time shows Democrats keep their word - important in Congress. This is not a trait found in MTG.

Texin

(2,851 posts)
15. I've been reading that Dems (generally) believe that Johnson negotiates and works with Dems in good faith
Sun May 5, 2024, 11:21 AM
May 2024

unlike his predecessor McCarthy. They don't agree ideologically or politically, but he isn't a back-stabbing two timer. But I think they could motion (or co-sponsor) tabling MTG's MTV move.

dutch777

(5,048 posts)
3. And the country and the world does not need this level of disruption now. He would just be replaced by another vile...
Sun May 5, 2024, 08:04 AM
May 2024

...GOPer in all likelihood and it would be weeks if not months of mess. As much as I like to see the Repugs make fools of themselves, it does affect things like funding for Ukraine that do matter. Now if there was a way for it to go to Jeffries with SOME certainty and swiftness that would be a different discussion.

lastlib

(28,105 posts)
13. The MAGAts will make fools of themselves simply by making the motion to vacate.
Sun May 5, 2024, 09:55 AM
May 2024

It will prove to the world that they're not serious about governing, that they are only serious about causing chaos. In a sense, they've already proven themselves to be fools--now it just becomes a matter of degree.

marble falls

(71,724 posts)
5. That deal is already on the table. Johnson gets it. McCarthy had the same one and then he allowed the ...
Sun May 5, 2024, 08:11 AM
May 2024

... opening of house investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden. And now Johnson is the speaker. Johnson gets it. Compelled bipartisanship works for me if they won't come along for all the right reasons.

3Hotdogs

(15,293 posts)
7. So far, Johnson has consulted God and God helped him make a good decision regarding Ukraine.
Sun May 5, 2024, 08:15 AM
May 2024

Johnson's replacement might go directly to Trump for guidance.

Zambero

(9,974 posts)
9. MAGAts don't differentiate between the two
Sun May 5, 2024, 08:41 AM
May 2024

Worshiping a false idol in the flesh floats their boat every time.

NoMoreRepugs

(11,995 posts)
11. Has this level of discord ever existed before in Congress? Maybe before the Civil War started?
Sun May 5, 2024, 08:59 AM
May 2024

Unbelievable.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
14. If MAGAt Mike hasn't lied to Dems, as Kremlin Kevin did, then no good reason to vote to vacate.
Sun May 5, 2024, 10:39 AM
May 2024

Qutzupalotl

(15,795 posts)
16. I don't foresee either being successful.
Sun May 5, 2024, 06:58 PM
May 2024

Removing Johnson or electing Jeffries — until we get more Democrats and/or fewer Republicans.

Marge does not have the draw she used to. Her schtick is getting tired and she looks stupider now than even just a few months ago.

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