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emulatorloo

(44,279 posts)
Tue May 14, 2024, 02:29 PM Tuesday

Cohen cross examination: " Two jurors looked at each other and grinned."

Blanche starts by focusing on name calling

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-hush-money-trial-day-17-michael-cohen-live-updates-rcna151899/rcrd41680?canonicalCard=true

Adam Edelman and Gary Grumbach
Blanche began his cross-examination of Cohen with an unusual, expletive-laden introduction.

“Mr. Cohen, my name is Todd Blanche,” Blanche said. But, he added, “You went on TikTok and called me a ‘crying little s---.’”

“Sounds like something I would say,” Cohen said.

The prosecution immediately objected, which the judge agreed with and asked that the question be stricken.

Two jurors looked at each other and grinned.


Uncsnsored version from https://www.threads.net/@gtconway3dg/post/C69W51FpbFh

"Mr. Cohen, my name is Todd Blanche," he begins. They've never met but Blanche says you know me, right? "You went on Tiktok and called me a crying little shit?"
"Sounds like something I would say," Cohen spits back.

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Cohen cross examination: " Two jurors looked at each other and grinned." (Original Post) emulatorloo Tuesday OP
Todd Blanche really really really would rather be at the bottom of ocean right now Traurigkeit Tuesday #1
I don't see how he can look any more depressed. Irish_Dem Tuesday #8
The Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore? LiberalFighter Tuesday #18
Instead I suggest the Trump attorneys get into a rehab program. Irish_Dem Tuesday #19
They'll be fine. TomSlick Tuesday #44
You are probably correct. Irish_Dem Tuesday #45
Professor William Prosser is THE expert in tort law in the US fifty-odd years after his death. TomSlick Tuesday #46
Amazing to be the gold standard in any field for so long. Irish_Dem Tuesday #47
As a rule, books in a law office are all out of date and just there for looks. TomSlick Tuesday #48
Prosser would be happy to see that 50 years after his death, Irish_Dem Tuesday #49
the deep part lol nt et tu Tuesday #25
Preferably one that's still actually standing, so he can hit the water from the maximum altitude. 😜 ShazzieB Tuesday #36
I have no way of knowing but if I were to hazard a guess, they were grinning because they agreed with hlthe2b Tuesday #2
Agreed. Cohen's description fits Blanche perfectly. Gonna be an interesting cross examination. emulatorloo Tuesday #6
Per Politico, Merchan called the lawyers to a sidebar and struck Blanche's question from the record. ancianita Tuesday #23
My guess as well. ShazzieB Tuesday #37
You kind of become friends Tree Lady Tuesday #3
2 guilty votes, 10 to go, IMO gab13by13 Tuesday #4
This jury could convict. rubbersole Tuesday #35
Sounds to me that Cohen was telling the truth twice. Once when he said it and the second when he said it sounded like dem4decades Tuesday #5
Exactly. Cohen gets points for telling the truth. Irish_Dem Tuesday #9
Giving a New Yorker an opening like that...I've heard of smarter things BeyondGeography Tuesday #7
They did the same with Stormy too. Irish_Dem Tuesday #20
I think Magats only hang around with other Magats. ananda Tuesday #28
Good point. Irish_Dem Tuesday #30
I don't know any other than family now n/t ArkansasDemocrat1 Tuesday #39
Cohen eats Blanche's lunch right out of the gate. Irish_Dem Tuesday #10
Is it just me or is Blanche senseandsensibility Tuesday #11
bad news for Blanche imo orange jar Tuesday #12
Better response might have been "prove me wrong" (nt) muriel_volestrangler Tuesday #13
Does the shoe fit, Blanche, if, so, maybe you are a crying little shit ? republianmushroom Tuesday #14
Laughed at this exchange Rob H. Tuesday #15
Ditto. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Tuesday #26
LOL! LymphocyteLover Tuesday #40
Dont ask questions you dont want answers to Johonny Tuesday #16
"Sounds like something I would say" Tom of Temecula Tuesday #17
Calculated for an appeal of trump's gag order Barry Markson Tuesday #21
Appellate Division of NYS judges will have a laugher when they read through this Traurigkeit Tuesday #24
Blanche was actually objecting to the word "little" which he considered to be sexist. Ping Tung Tuesday #22
While shut-eyed Trump defies the process, Todd Blanche talks to Cohen like a prosecutor. Because that's his goal. ancianita Tuesday #27
He's doing the same self-revealing tactic Neckeles used-- viva la Tuesday #31
Agree. He's prosecuting Cohen to distract from the fact of the smoking gun document. It won't work ancianita Tuesday #32
I hope that Cohen gets asked if he referred to Trump as Von Shitzenpantz. 3Hotdogs Tuesday #38
Did he?? I thought that came from somewhere else. ancianita Tuesday #42
Ah, he did! I thought it was Jimmy Kimmel. ancianita Tuesday #43
Terrible way to open the cross-examination. This isn't about you, Blanche! SunSeeker Tuesday #29
He's the one who grimaces while standing behind Trump as he rages outside the courtroom * Oopsie Daisy Tuesday #33
LOL!! I LOVE IT!! InAbLuEsTaTe Tuesday #34
Good lawyers pound the facts. czarjak Tuesday #41
Mike Cohen is as New York as they come peppertree Wednesday #50

Irish_Dem

(48,361 posts)
8. I don't see how he can look any more depressed.
Tue May 14, 2024, 02:46 PM
Tuesday

As depicted in those pictures with him standing outside the courthouse next to Trump.
I think he looks like he wants to jump off a bridge.

His family needs to do a wellness check.

Irish_Dem

(48,361 posts)
19. Instead I suggest the Trump attorneys get into a rehab program.
Tue May 14, 2024, 03:44 PM
Tuesday

After this ordeal they are going to need some serious help.

TomSlick

(11,161 posts)
44. They'll be fine.
Tue May 14, 2024, 08:46 PM
Tuesday

Win or lose, they will be darlings of the GOP. They will have their choice of clients.

Lawyers often finding themselves representing clients they don't like. In the words of Professor Prosser:

Your lawyer in practice spends a considerable part of his life in doing distasteful things for disagreeable people who must be satisfied against an impossible time limit in which are hourly interruptions from other disagreeable people who want to derail the train; and for his blood, sweat, and tears, he receives in the end a few unkind words to the effect that it might have been done better, and a protest at the size of the fee.

Irish_Dem

(48,361 posts)
45. You are probably correct.
Tue May 14, 2024, 08:49 PM
Tuesday

I would not let these attorneys help me fill out a small claims court form.

The good professor nailed it.

TomSlick

(11,161 posts)
46. Professor William Prosser is THE expert in tort law in the US fifty-odd years after his death.
Tue May 14, 2024, 09:01 PM
Tuesday
Prosser on Torts, now Prosser and Keaton on Torts is the definitive tome in the area.

Irish_Dem

(48,361 posts)
47. Amazing to be the gold standard in any field for so long.
Tue May 14, 2024, 09:20 PM
Tuesday

I looked him up in wiki.

Brilliant, witty, sophisticated.
Made a significant contribution to his profession.

His description of life in the trenches for an attorney is accurate, sad, and funny
at the same time.

I would love to have been a student in his class.

TomSlick

(11,161 posts)
48. As a rule, books in a law office are all out of date and just there for looks.
Tue May 14, 2024, 09:30 PM
Tuesday

Legal research is all done on computers now. Nevertheless, I will have a current edition of Prosser and Keaton as long as I practice law.

Irish_Dem

(48,361 posts)
49. Prosser would be happy to see that 50 years after his death,
Tue May 14, 2024, 09:41 PM
Tuesday

practicing attorneys view his work as one of the legal bibles they keep at hand.
Even in the computer age.

ShazzieB

(16,688 posts)
36. Preferably one that's still actually standing, so he can hit the water from the maximum altitude. 😜
Tue May 14, 2024, 04:53 PM
Tuesday

Fortunately, he's in Manhattan, so he has plenty to choose from: Brooklyn Bridge, Queensborough Bridge,
Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge, the list goes on and on.

hlthe2b

(102,599 posts)
2. I have no way of knowing but if I were to hazard a guess, they were grinning because they agreed with
Tue May 14, 2024, 02:32 PM
Tuesday

the comment toward Blanche--who has not exactly endeared himself to anyone in this trial. It has to be obvious to the jury that the judge has slapped him down repeatedly so...

My guess only...

emulatorloo

(44,279 posts)
6. Agreed. Cohen's description fits Blanche perfectly. Gonna be an interesting cross examination.
Tue May 14, 2024, 02:36 PM
Tuesday

I added the uncensored version to the OP.

ShazzieB

(16,688 posts)
37. My guess as well.
Tue May 14, 2024, 04:56 PM
Tuesday

When I read that, my first thought was, "Oh, looks like at least some of the jurors have pegged Blanche as a jerk."

Tree Lady

(11,548 posts)
3. You kind of become friends
Tue May 14, 2024, 02:33 PM
Tuesday

eating lunch together and talking about family, work, not the case.

I have been on a few juries. One lady brought us homemade tamales for lunch.

rubbersole

(6,777 posts)
35. This jury could convict.
Tue May 14, 2024, 04:50 PM
Tuesday

Trying to 'hold out' after the humiliation tsf has suffered from the evidence and 1st hand testimony...plus there are two lawyers on the jury. Maybe I'm dreaming, but I wouldn't want to be a juror saying "I'm just not sure.."

dem4decades

(11,324 posts)
5. Sounds to me that Cohen was telling the truth twice. Once when he said it and the second when he said it sounded like
Tue May 14, 2024, 02:35 PM
Tuesday

him.

Shouldn't the cross be trying to prove Cohen a liar and not a truth teller?

Irish_Dem

(48,361 posts)
20. They did the same with Stormy too.
Tue May 14, 2024, 03:47 PM
Tuesday

Gave her the set up lines so she could mow them down.

Trump's attorneys think everyone is stupid.

They don't know how to handle people who are smarter than they are.

ananda

(28,929 posts)
28. I think Magats only hang around with other Magats.
Tue May 14, 2024, 04:20 PM
Tuesday

So they wouldn't know intelliigence if it bit them in the....

Irish_Dem

(48,361 posts)
30. Good point.
Tue May 14, 2024, 04:23 PM
Tuesday

They are surrounded by yes men who only say what Trump wants to hear.
They cannot handle normal people.

senseandsensibility

(17,264 posts)
11. Is it just me or is Blanche
Tue May 14, 2024, 02:52 PM
Tuesday

coming across like his client, thin-skinned and someone who can dish it out but can't take it?

orange jar

(65 posts)
12. bad news for Blanche imo
Tue May 14, 2024, 02:56 PM
Tuesday

Reads to me like some of the jury doesn't take Blanche seriously (nor should they). Good. Hopefully he loses his credibility among the other jurors.

Rob H.

(5,361 posts)
15. Laughed at this exchange
Tue May 14, 2024, 03:17 PM
Tuesday

Somehow I don't think Cohen is that impressed with Blanche.

"Have you regularly commented on your podcasts that you want President Trump to be convicted in this case?" Blanche asks.

"Yes, probably," Cohen says.

"Do you have any doubt?" Blanche responds.

"No," Cohen says.

Asked why he answered it that way, Cohen says, "Because I don’t specifically know if I used those words but yes I would like to see that."

"Do you want to see President Trump convicted in this case?" Blanche asks.

"Sure," Cohen says.

Blanche follows up and asks him to answer the question "yes" or "no."

Cohen responds, "Sure."


Traurigkeit

(505 posts)
24. Appellate Division of NYS judges will have a laugher when they read through this
Tue May 14, 2024, 04:11 PM
Tuesday

Supreme Court of the State of New York
NYCourts.gov
Appellate Division, First Judicial Department
Hon. Dianne T. Renwick, Presiding Justice
Susanna Molina Rojas, Clerk of the Court

ancianita

(36,252 posts)
27. While shut-eyed Trump defies the process, Todd Blanche talks to Cohen like a prosecutor. Because that's his goal.
Tue May 14, 2024, 04:20 PM
Tuesday

Now court is adjourned for the day.

But in the last minutes of cross, Blanche seemed to be scattershot in portraying the contradictory and lying behavior of Cohen around Trump, attempting to discredit even Cohen's honesty.

Blanche raised a number of harsh criticisms Cohen lobbed at Trump on his podcast after he was released from prison to home confinement because of the coronavirus in 2020. The broadsides included calling Trump:

A boorish cartoon misogynist
A Cheeto-dusted cartoon villain
And the statement: “I truly fucking hope this man ends up in prison"
Blanche then played a recording of Cohen’s “Mea Culpa” podcast through headphones on the witness stand. The clip has not yet been played in open court.

When Blanche questioned Cohen about the clip, prosecutors objected, but Justice Merchan overruled the objection. In response to the objection, Blanche said: “Sorry for speaking.”


https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/05/14/trump-hush-money-criminal-trial/more-of-cohens-trump-comments-00157973

viva la

(3,373 posts)
31. He's doing the same self-revealing tactic Neckeles used--
Tue May 14, 2024, 04:26 PM
Tuesday

Telling the jury what a monster Trump is.

"Do you admit that you called Mr. Trump the mushroom of the month?"
"Yeah. And I also called him the onion-skinned artichoke. And--"

I mean, what exactly do they expect the jury to get out of this? I suppose it's that these witnesses are biased? I don't think that's the most likely response.

ancianita

(36,252 posts)
32. Agree. He's prosecuting Cohen to distract from the fact of the smoking gun document. It won't work
Tue May 14, 2024, 04:29 PM
Tuesday

with this jury.

3Hotdogs

(12,482 posts)
38. I hope that Cohen gets asked if he referred to Trump as Von Shitzenpantz.
Tue May 14, 2024, 05:20 PM
Tuesday

I would love to see the courtroom drawing of Anal Fistula's face on that one.

ancianita

(36,252 posts)
43. Ah, he did! I thought it was Jimmy Kimmel.
Tue May 14, 2024, 05:51 PM
Tuesday


Blanche won't, though, because Marchan just struck the first "shit" reference from the court record.

SunSeeker

(51,866 posts)
29. Terrible way to open the cross-examination. This isn't about you, Blanche!
Tue May 14, 2024, 04:20 PM
Tuesday

Pundits on MSNBC's Deadline White House are saying the word among the courtroom observers is that Blanche is bombing.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,830 posts)
33. He's the one who grimaces while standing behind Trump as he rages outside the courtroom *
Tue May 14, 2024, 04:39 PM
Tuesday

* yeah... Blanche is TOTALLY a "crying little shit."

peppertree

(21,757 posts)
50. Mike Cohen is as New York as they come
Wed May 15, 2024, 11:28 AM
Wednesday

I grew up in Mi'ssippi - where the smiling backstab was more common.

When they slithered toward you, and oozed out an "Oh, hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!" - you knew something was up.

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