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Tom of Temecula

(1,304 posts)
Wed May 15, 2024, 08:58 AM Wednesday

Trump VP hopeful vows 'radical' divorce crackdown 'for the sake of families'

A key shortlister for former President Donald Trump's vice presidential running mate thinks America should crack down on how many people are allowed to have divorces.

Ben Carson, a former neurosurgeon and Republican presidential candidate who served as Trump's Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, outlined his plan in his book, "The Perilous Fight," released on Tuesday, for getting rid of "no-fault divorce" laws, according to NBC News.

“The reason this matters is that no-fault divorce legally allows marriages to end much more quickly than in previous decades," wrote Carson. "When there are relatively few legal or financial consequences connected with divorce, it’s natural for people to gravitate toward that option when their marriage hits a rough patch."

According to the report, Carson claims that people pursuing divorce have not taken into consideration the impact separation will have on their children. “What those people often don’t consider, however, is the harm — both present and future — inflicted on their children once a divorce is finalized," Carson wrote. "For the sake of families, we should enact legislation to remove or radically reduce incidences of no-fault divorce."

https://www.rawstory.com/ben-carson-2668260651/

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Trump VP hopeful vows 'radical' divorce crackdown 'for the sake of families' (Original Post) Tom of Temecula Wednesday OP
The party of freedom right? Demsrule86 Wednesday #1
Ridiculous. These are adults making their own decisions underpants Wednesday #2
Isn't this the brain surgeon who bragged about his criminal days when held a knife on someone? marble falls Wednesday #3
Most divorces are initiated by wimminfolk. Diamond_Dog Wednesday #4
This is 100% about asset protection for men Johnny2X2X Wednesday #5
Many women don't have the means to hire a fancy lawyer. Diamond_Dog Wednesday #8
Opposition to no-fault divorce is no more about "sanctity of marriage" YodaMom2 Wednesday #24
People don't know history Johnny2X2X Wednesday #29
I have a friend who married just to get out of home and town Marthe48 Wednesday #30
It's both. yardwork Wednesday #18
Who is that on the bottom right of that picture? ecstatic Wednesday #6
Looks like that county clerk Beatlelvr Wednesday #11
That KY clerk who wouldn't issue same sex marriage licenses unweird Wednesday #12
Kim Davis Celerity Wednesday #44
Sounds like more small government politics Johonny Wednesday #7
Freedom for white "Christian" men only. Diamond_Dog Wednesday #9
Carson? VP pick? Hugin Wednesday #10
And this is to help him secure a Veep slots with 2 times divorced for newer model/escort Trump? Freethinker65 Wednesday #13
Republicans are obsessed with controlling women. TBF Wednesday #14
I love it that someone removed all of the guardrails as they try to pass each other down the mountain. Gore1FL Wednesday #15
It's not the place of the government Mz Pip Wednesday #16
Dream on Ben. Happy Hoosier Wednesday #17
For the good of the family SarahD Wednesday #19
As a side note. the 'Book as an application for a political job' is sure bombing rurallib Wednesday #20
Who says Carson is on the short list for VP? brooklynite Wednesday #21
Be a lot Rebl2 Wednesday #22
Can't have teenage wives filing for divorce everytime they get beat and raped their old man. Hotler Wednesday #23
My parents stayed together for the sake of the children MagickMuffin Wednesday #25
banned poozwah Wednesday #26
What a Republican simpleton bucolic_frolic Wednesday #27
No-fault divorce also reduces Rob H. Wednesday #28
The idiocy & impending backlash will astound them. Women will stay single & have no children-- hlthe2b Wednesday #31
IANAL, but I recall that state laws on divorce are often quite varied... keep_left Wednesday #32
Women.Are.Property. Hail the Payriarchy! lindysalsagal Wednesday #33
Ben Carson? He's still alive? CaptainTruth Wednesday #34
Herman Cain is dead. I have confused them because they are both fucking crazy. twodogsbarking Wednesday #39
That explains it, they were both equally crazy. CaptainTruth Wednesday #41
removed by poster republianmushroom Wednesday #35
Another assault on the rights and freedoms of Americans by repugs. SWBTATTReg Wednesday #36
is cheating on your pregnant wife with a porn start grounds for divorce? moonshinegnomie Wednesday #37
You will be required to present very explicit evidence. They like that. twodogsbarking Wednesday #40
How long until the next step? Retrograde Wednesday #38
Is Carson even in the running? Dorian Gray Wednesday #42
That will alienate 95% of the GOP base. Initech Wednesday #43
Easy divorce leads to kids who turn out like Crunchy Frog Yesterday #45
Yeah, Dr. Sleepy, that's the ticket!! hatrack Yesterday #46

underpants

(183,089 posts)
2. Ridiculous. These are adults making their own decisions
Wed May 15, 2024, 09:00 AM
Wednesday

and sometimes trying to flee previously made bad decisions.

I read here a week or so ago that you can’t get a divorce in Missouri if you are pregnant.

Diamond_Dog

(32,233 posts)
4. Most divorces are initiated by wimminfolk.
Wed May 15, 2024, 09:05 AM
Wednesday

And the mens just can’t standz it! Gotta keep them females in line!

Johnny2X2X

(19,351 posts)
5. This is 100% about asset protection for men
Wed May 15, 2024, 09:07 AM
Wednesday

No fault works, it's the only thing that resembles fair. Otherwise it's just a race to see who can get the best lawyer first and who can get the dirtiest.

Diamond_Dog

(32,233 posts)
8. Many women don't have the means to hire a fancy lawyer.
Wed May 15, 2024, 09:14 AM
Wednesday

They shouldn’t be forced to stay in an abusive or dominating situation that they don’t want. They may have been strongly coerced into marrying the guy. This is totally about controlling women and NOT about “the sanctity of marriage.” Seems painfully obvious to me what these sanctimonious jerks are up to.

YodaMom2

(4 posts)
24. Opposition to no-fault divorce is no more about "sanctity of marriage"
Wed May 15, 2024, 11:28 AM
Wednesday

than opposition to abortion is about “sanctity of life”. It’s all of a piece - limiting options in both spaces primarily limits the options of *women* and makes them dependent on, and subordinate to, the “mercies” and whims of men. Its misogyny masquerading as concern.

Johnny2X2X

(19,351 posts)
29. People don't know history
Wed May 15, 2024, 11:49 AM
Wednesday

Women have fought for their rights and it seems some have forgotten that it was suich a short time ago that women didn't have so many fundamental rights they do today.

People don't seem to remember that women couldn't open bank accounts everywhere in the country until 1974. I was alive before that. Think about that, in the 1960s a woman couldn't control their own money without their husband signing for them. It was about control, still is. Abortion is about control too. Until Roe v Wade, an embryo was seen as the property of a man and a woman had no rights to their own body that superseeded a man's rights.

And that's what the GOP wants to go back to. They would take away women's rights to vote if they got the powert to do so. That's the America they want to go back to, where women were second class citizens subordinate in every way to men. Sick.

Marthe48

(17,162 posts)
30. I have a friend who married just to get out of home and town
Wed May 15, 2024, 11:49 AM
Wednesday

He was extremely abusive to her and children. She said she learned how to duck a swing pretty quick. He cheated on her a lot. She caught him cheating, and got the courage to get a divorce. She told me she was really scared when she had to face him in court. But she got a divorce and custody of the kids. He never stopped making it tough for her. Years and years ago, but his victims still carry the scars.

yardwork

(61,842 posts)
18. It's both.
Wed May 15, 2024, 10:58 AM
Wednesday

No-fault divorce makes it much more difficult for abused people to leave their spouses. And, as you point out, it makes it more difficult for people to get fair settlements.

The high-priced divorce lawyers benefit when it's difficult to get divorced.

ecstatic

(32,816 posts)
6. Who is that on the bottom right of that picture?
Wed May 15, 2024, 09:11 AM
Wednesday

The republican party's end game is a nation that looks a lot like Gilead (from The Handmaid's Tale).

Beatlelvr

(626 posts)
11. Looks like that county clerk
Wed May 15, 2024, 09:21 AM
Wednesday

That got into trouble a few years back for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same sex folks.

Celerity

(43,838 posts)
44. Kim Davis
Wed May 15, 2024, 08:49 PM
Wednesday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Davis

Kimberly Jean Davis (née Bailey; born September 17, 1965) is an American former county clerk for Rowan County, Kentucky, who gained international attention in August 2015 when she defied a U.S. federal court order to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

Davis was elected Rowan County Clerk in 2014. The following year, the Supreme Court decided Obergefell v. Hodges, and all county clerks in Kentucky were ordered to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Citing personal religious objections to same-sex marriage, Davis began denying marriage licenses to all couples to avoid issuing them to same-sex couples. A lawsuit, Miller v. Davis, was filed, and Davis was ordered by the U.S. District Court to start issuing marriage licenses.

She appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, but the application to appeal was denied. Davis continued to defy the court order by refusing to issue marriage licenses "under God's authority"; she was ultimately jailed for contempt of court due to her refusal "to not interfere with her deputies issuing marriage licenses for gay couples." Speaking on Davis' behalf, her "attorney said Davis 'would not make any representation' that she would allow marriage licenses to be issued, thus not accepting the compromise that would have led to her release.". Davis was released after five days in jail under the condition that she not interfere with the efforts of her deputy clerks, who had begun issuing marriage licenses to all couples in her absence. Davis then modified the Kentucky marriage licenses used in her office so that they no longer mentioned her name.

Davis's actions drew strong and mixed reactions from prominent politicians, legal experts, and religious leaders. Attorney and author Roberta A. Kaplan described Davis as "the clearest example of someone who wants to use a religious liberty argument to discriminate", while law professor Eugene Volokh maintained that an employer must try to accommodate religious employees' beliefs. Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said that Davis's imprisonment was part of the "criminalization of Christianity", while Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin compared Davis's refusal to obey the decision of the U.S. Supreme Court to Alabama Governor George Wallace's "Stand in the Schoolhouse Door" in 1963. A few weeks after her release from jail, Davis met with Pope Francis in Washington, D.C. She was defeated by Democratic challenger Elwood Caudill Jr. in the November 6, 2018, election and vacated the office on January 7, 2019.

Freethinker65

(10,121 posts)
13. And this is to help him secure a Veep slots with 2 times divorced for newer model/escort Trump?
Wed May 15, 2024, 09:41 AM
Wednesday

The same Trump that told Cohen, during hush money payment negotiations to the porn star Trump had been fucking, that if Melania asked for a divorce, he, Trump, wouldn't be on the market for long.

I assume conservative pundits, celebrities, and politicians will continue to be allowed to have as many divorces as they want.

Gore1FL

(21,199 posts)
15. I love it that someone removed all of the guardrails as they try to pass each other down the mountain.
Wed May 15, 2024, 10:21 AM
Wednesday

It's a race to the bottom and everyone is Dick Dasterdly and/or Muttly.

Mz Pip

(27,471 posts)
16. It's not the place of the government
Wed May 15, 2024, 10:30 AM
Wednesday

to decide and legislate whether people are making bad personal choices unless they cross the line into illegality.

Couples being forced to stay together because Ben Carson if serious government overreach.

Happy Hoosier

(7,497 posts)
17. Dream on Ben.
Wed May 15, 2024, 10:46 AM
Wednesday

More an more young folks are already drifting away from marriage. My daughter is skeptical of marriage, even with the financial benefits.

If they make divorce hard, fewer young people will choose to get married. That simple. No doubt their next step would be make cohabitation illegal. There are already those who would like to make extra-marital "fornication" illegal.

My wife, fresh off a divorce, was reluctant to marry me. She only agreed because of the benefits (tac, health insurance, etc). Though she is happy to be married to me now, thankfully.

rurallib

(62,495 posts)
20. As a side note. the 'Book as an application for a political job' is sure bombing
Wed May 15, 2024, 11:19 AM
Wednesday

for these idiots. My first thought was that no one was reading or editing these efforts - but I must correct myself:

These people are proud of shooting puppies and goats. They are proud of cruel ideal and subjugating "others" especially women. They are proud to espouse ideas from the dark ages. Proud!

Hotler

(11,497 posts)
23. Can't have teenage wives filing for divorce everytime they get beat and raped their old man.
Wed May 15, 2024, 11:25 AM
Wednesday

That would tear the family apart.

I'm really getting tired of these Christians.

MagickMuffin

(15,989 posts)
25. My parents stayed together for the sake of the children
Wed May 15, 2024, 11:33 AM
Wednesday


It was not a happy place. Very dysfunctional to say the least. And had they divorced I wouldn’t have known who to live with, both had issues.





bucolic_frolic

(43,592 posts)
27. What a Republican simpleton
Wed May 15, 2024, 11:42 AM
Wednesday

Bad marriages are incredibly harmful to all involved. Marriage brings two personalities together for eternal conflict. Some mesh, and most don't.

Rob H.

(5,361 posts)
28. No-fault divorce also reduces
Wed May 15, 2024, 11:42 AM
Wednesday

the number of women committing suicide, spousal abuse for both men and women, and women being murdered by their partners, but right-wingers don't want to talk about that.

hlthe2b

(102,599 posts)
31. The idiocy & impending backlash will astound them. Women will stay single & have no children--
Wed May 15, 2024, 11:52 AM
Wednesday

or adopt. Already OB/GYNs are making a rapid exit (or refusing to come to train) in Red anti-abortion states.

They can't even fathom what changes will accompany that, but it will undoubtedly include large companies leaving or refusing to relocate to the state given no employee is going to want to live in an "insane asylum state."

keep_left

(1,803 posts)
32. IANAL, but I recall that state laws on divorce are often quite varied...
Wed May 15, 2024, 11:55 AM
Wednesday

...e.g. Louisiana has the infamous "covenant marriage" law. How does Mr. Carson suggest we make this a nationwide policy? Because I remember that many years ago, Nevada was the place to get a (relatively) easy divorce. (This was long before today, where some version of a "no-fault" divorce law can be found on the books in every state).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_in_the_United_States#20th_century

SWBTATTReg

(22,259 posts)
36. Another assault on the rights and freedoms of Americans by repugs.
Wed May 15, 2024, 12:14 PM
Wednesday

When will they ever stop? I suspect that they won't, even if they were to somehow miraculously manage to strip every right from every American (voting, choice of religion, job choice, where to live, etc., the list goes on).

Perhaps it should be backwards, if repugs propose one right to yank away from Americans, then they lose a right, the right to vote would be a good place to start, eh, since they seem to not want voting anyhow, being that they're happy w/ a dictator. In addition, I seriously think that we should expand the US Supreme Court finally since it seems that it's too easy to landlock the nine justices that we have, simply by having a senator refuse to rule on a nominee's candidacy for the Supreme Court (Garland) and then it leads to tRUMP putting 3 justices on the roster.

Retrograde

(10,193 posts)
38. How long until the next step?
Wed May 15, 2024, 03:18 PM
Wednesday

"Your wife is infertile/post-menopausal? You may qualify for a 2nd, younger model! Just make sure you pension the old one off properly."

These so-called men want to live like Biblical or medieval kings.

Dorian Gray

(13,542 posts)
42. Is Carson even in the running?
Wed May 15, 2024, 08:36 PM
Wednesday

Regardless, this is so ridiculous with the guy who is running as their candidate.

hatrack

(59,612 posts)
46. Yeah, Dr. Sleepy, that's the ticket!!
Thu May 16, 2024, 07:19 AM
Yesterday

Speaking of Carson, here he is in a portrait of himself and Klingon Jesus. This hangs in his house, BTW.

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