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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJoe Scarborough Blasts 'Garbage' NY Times Poll That 'Warps Reality': Editors Have to 'Know What They're Doing
Morning Joe gets it. Joe did not discuss the bias toward Bidend and Democrats in general at the Times...but it is also a factor.
The New York Times right now is actively shaping the election cycles where this poll comes out on a Sunday and on Monday people go, Oh, and I heard it, and Im sitting there going, oh, dont be so stupid, Scarborough said.
Theres one poll thats wildly skewed every time, and it does shape if its a New York Times poll versus the Morning Consult poll. And the New York Times then amplifies it 15, 16, 17 times. It warps reality, he continued. And everybody responds to that in the media and in the political world. Heilemann argued that the best bulwark against unreliable or outlying polls is for informed people not to put too much stock in them. Scarborough pounced, not on his contributor and friend but on the NY Times editors.
It distorts all of the opinion; It distorts everything, Scarborough said of the poll. And that keeps happening every month when this comes out. And then finally, about two weeks later, after the residue of the New York Times-Siena poll leaves, people go, Oh, I think Joe Bidens on a winning streak. And then two weeks later, it comes out again, and its garbage. Its an outlier."
And yes, The New York Times, when they have all of these experts questioning the methodology when theyre calling like 20% of of the people, likely voters who have never voted before or didnt vote in the last two primaries when theyre even quoting people who said theyre switching their vote from Joe Biden, who have never voted before? Scarborough asked rhetorically. Im sorry, the New York Times has to know what theyre doing.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/joe-scarborough-blasts-garbage-ny-times-poll-that-warps-reality-editors-have-to-know-what-theyre-doing/
Here is what I got with articles about Joe Biden by the times when I googled. This is why I don't trust Sienna or the Times. Sienna -as the article notes- uses people who don't vote or have not voted in some time to breathlessly tell us that these voters
have "Changed their vote. And IMHO the Times has a vendetta against Biden...no longer the paper of record.
Opinion | Why It's Hard to Explain Joe Biden's Unpopularity
The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com 2024/03/09 opinion joe...
Mar 9, 2024 A theory of why Biden's presidency has so far been a political flop.
Beneath Joe Biden's Folksy Demeanor, a Short Fuse and ...
The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com U.S. Politics
Oct 28, 2021 Biden is unwilling, or unable, to skip the routine. As a longtime adviser put it: He needs time to process the material so that he feels ...
Why So Many Americans Are So Down on Biden
The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com Opinion Columnists
Sep 5, 2023 President Biden emerges from behind a row of American flags. ... New York Times/Siena poll? Why are Americans ... Three Opinion writers on Trump's ...
Opinion | Arab American Fury Toward Biden
The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com voters-michigan-biden-gaza
Feb 28, 2024 After the meeting, Turaani told me that he doesn't want the Biden administration to bargain with Muslim voters over the prospect of a cease-fire ...
Missing: hates | Show results with: hates
New York Times doubles down on its scathing opinion ...
Daily Mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk news article-13102973
Feb 20, 2024 New York Times Publisher A.G. Sulzberger says The White House is 'extremely upset' with the paper's coverage of President Biden's age.
Trump Again, and Repeatedly, Denounces Jews Who ...
The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com U.S. Politics
6 days ago Biden hates the Palestinians also, and even more so than Jews. ... U.S. · World · Politics · New York ... © 2024 The New York Times Company.
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Johnny2X2X
(20,881 posts)The Haberman revelations this week should end the NY Times being considered a legitimate source for news going forward.
Demsrule86
(70,541 posts)I looked at the Sienna poll. It is dreadful. Calling folks who don't vote or who have not voted recently Biden voters who changed their minds is ridiculous. And these are the things one sees in a Sienna poll.. And breathlessly announcing Trump is ahead of Biden with women is total bullshit.
'One of the things I look for in a polling result is if any of the breakdowns, found in whats called the crosstabs, raise red flags. One jumped out right away for me in this poll, and others saw it, too. As LSU professor and political historian Robert Mann noted,
I do not believe Biden is tied with women nationally 46-46
Biden got 57% of women in 2020. Youre telling me that, post-Dobbs, his support among that demo group will drop to 46? Not credible.'
https://dianeravitch.net/2024/03/03/jay-kuo-dont-believe-the-new-york-times-presidential-poll/
I agree. If you see a poll and half the women are voting for Trump, something went wrong in the polling sample.
Fiendish Thingy
(17,233 posts)Unfortunately his articles are behind a paywall, although your link provides a good summary and a gift link to one of the articles.
Demsrule86
(70,541 posts)I tried to get the best link I could find. I had looked at these polls and almost fell off my chair when Sienna was saying Trump was leading with women. Are you kidding...no way. How are you? I needed more surgery but am doing fine now.
lees1975
(4,986 posts)Remember, these were the cheerleaders of the "Red Tsunami" in 2022. And they went radio silent and tried to hide their mistake when it didn't turn out that way at all.
There are a lot of things they're trying to tell us that don't square up with reality. The young people's vote, which they claim is "tied," isn't even close. They claim that 40% of black voters are planning to stay home, false.
The composites, all of them, are skewed by the number of different polls that are all over the place with tiny samples of voters. We'll see on election day, but I'm guessing Biden gets 53% of the popular vote, and carries Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina and Ohio by two points, Wisconsin by 3, and looking at how senate races are shaping up in Michigan, and Pennsylvania, both of those states by 4. Given Florida's senate numbers, abortion rights numbers and everything that Desantis did there in the past two years, the backlash could give that state to Biden as well.
Demsrule86
(70,541 posts)When I saw the NYT poll assert that I knew their sample was bullshit. Great post. Rec.
Fiendish Thingy
(17,233 posts)The NYT polls get ten times the coverage as most of the other reputable, non-outlier polls get combined.
Thats not just the fault of the NYT, its a problem that is exacerbated by every pundit and blogger who shares the poll numbers as if they were accurate reflection of voter sentiment , without criticism of its outlier status or questioning the methodology.
IMO, every mention of any poll should include at least its sample size, sample make up (adults, RV, or LV) and MOE, with a link to the methodology page and cross tabs.
That would be the responsible thing to do.
Demsrule86
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lees1975
(4,986 posts)That totally and completely undermines any poll that says he's ahead anywhere except Mississippi or West Virginia. I mean, at this point, he's the presumptive nominee, so what would be the point of continuing to bother to show up and cast ballots for Nikki Haley, especially in states where only registered Republicans can vote.
I think some pollsters and media pundits will be shocked at the results, and some are going to see heads roll as a result.
Demsrule86
(70,541 posts)You said it better than I ever could.
yankee87
(2,284 posts)What a shame how low the NY Times has sunk. They should come out a endorse the Orange Messiah already.
Demsrule86
(70,541 posts)love ya...
samsingh
(17,716 posts)Demsrule86
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LetMyPeopleVote
(151,425 posts)The NYT poll is pure garbage designed to hurt President Biden
Link to tweet
https://www.rawstory.com/new-york-times-trump-poll/
According to the NYT poll, President Joe Biden is struggling with young voters and voters of color. However, as co-host Mika Brzezinski pointed out, polling experts have taken to social media to rip the pollsters' methodology apart saying the final results have been "skewed" in Trump's favor.
According to Scarborough, he truly believes the Times has been pushing sketchy polls showing Trump leading because it allows them to get multiple stories out them to drive the news cycle......
"That keeps happening every month when this comes out and then about two weeks later after the residue of the New York Times/Siena poll leaves, people go, 'Oh, I think Joe Biden is on a winning streak,'" he continued. "And then two weeks later it comes out again and it's garbage it's an outlier. And yes, the New York Times, when they have all of these experts questioning the methodology, when they are calling 20 percent of the people likely voters who had never voted before or didn't vote in the last two primaries or never voted before, when they are even quoting people who say they are switching their vote from Joe Biden who have never voted before? I'm sorry! The New York Times has to know what they are doing!"
Demsrule86
(70,541 posts)Trump basically in what she wrote...they have behaved disgracefully. You think the Times will get rid of her?