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Demsrule86

(68,907 posts)
Wed May 15, 2024, 08:58 AM Wednesday

Joe Scarborough Blasts 'Garbage' NY Times Poll That 'Warps Reality': Editors Have to 'Know What They're Doing

Morning Joe gets it. Joe did not discuss the bias toward Bidend and Democrats in general at the Times...but it is also a factor.


“The New York Times right now is actively shaping the election cycles where this poll comes out on a Sunday and on Monday people go, ‘Oh, and I heard it,’ and I’m sitting there going, oh, don’t be so stupid,” Scarborough said.
There’s one poll that’s wildly skewed every time, and it does shape if it’s a New York Times poll versus the Morning Consult poll. And the New York Times then amplifies it 15, 16, 17 times. It warps reality,” he continued. “And everybody responds to that in the media and in the political world.” Heilemann argued that the “best bulwark” against unreliable or outlying polls is for informed people not to put too much stock in them. Scarborough pounced, not on his contributor and friend but on the NY Times editors.

“It distorts all of the opinion; It distorts everything,” Scarborough said of the poll. “And that keeps happening every month when this comes out. And then finally, about two weeks later, after the residue of the New York Times-Siena poll leaves, people go, ‘Oh, I think Joe Biden’s on a winning streak.’ And then two weeks later, it comes out again, and it’s garbage. It’s an outlier.”"

“And yes, The New York Times, when they have all of these experts questioning the methodology when they’re calling like 20% of of the people, likely voters who have never voted before or didn’t vote in the last two primaries when they’re even quoting people who said they’re switching their vote from Joe Biden, who have never voted before?” Scarborough asked rhetorically. “I’m sorry, the New York Times has to know what they’re doing.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/joe-scarborough-blasts-garbage-ny-times-poll-that-warps-reality-editors-have-to-know-what-theyre-doing/

Here is what I got with articles about Joe Biden by the times when I googled. This is why I don't trust Sienna or the Times. Sienna -as the article notes- uses people who don't vote or have not voted in some time to breathlessly tell us that these voters
have "Changed their vote. And IMHO the Times has a vendetta against Biden...no longer the paper of record.

Opinion | Why It's Hard to Explain Joe Biden's Unpopularity

The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com › 2024/03/09 › opinion › joe...
Mar 9, 2024 — A theory of why Biden's presidency has so far been a political flop.

Beneath Joe Biden's Folksy Demeanor, a Short Fuse and ...

The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics
Oct 28, 2021 — Biden is unwilling, or unable, to skip the routine. As a longtime adviser put it: He needs time to process the material so that he feels ...

Why So Many Americans Are So Down on Biden

The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com › Opinion › Columnists
Sep 5, 2023 — President Biden emerges from behind a row of American flags. ... New York Times/Siena poll? Why are Americans ... Three Opinion writers on Trump's ...

Opinion | Arab American Fury Toward Biden

The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com › voters-michigan-biden-gaza
Feb 28, 2024 — After the meeting, Turaani told me that he doesn't want the Biden administration to bargain with Muslim voters over the prospect of a cease-fire ...
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New York Times doubles down on its scathing opinion ...

Daily Mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk › news › article-13102973
Feb 20, 2024 — New York Times Publisher A.G. Sulzberger says The White House is 'extremely upset' with the paper's coverage of President Biden's age.

Trump Again, and Repeatedly, Denounces Jews Who ...

The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics
6 days ago — Biden “hates the Palestinians also, and even more so” than Jews. ... U.S. · World · Politics · New York ... © 2024 The New York Times Company.
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Joe Scarborough Blasts 'Garbage' NY Times Poll That 'Warps Reality': Editors Have to 'Know What They're Doing (Original Post) Demsrule86 Wednesday OP
the NY times works for the Trump campaign Johnny2X2X Wednesday #1
It does and they have a personal vendetta against Biden...as they did with Hillary Clinton Demsrule86 Wednesday #2
Jay Kuo has done an excellent job of deconstructing the NYT polls Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #4
Sorry I don't subscribe to NYT these days...despise them really Demsrule86 Wednesday #5
There's all kinds of wrong in those Siena polls. lees1975 Wednesday #7
That is what I think too...and the idea that more women support Trump than in 2020 now after roe is absurd. Demsrule86 Wednesday #10
What's worse than the deeply flawed NYT poll is others uncritically quoting it as if it were accurate. Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #3
I agree. But I get the idea that they are hell bent on having a horse race. Demsrule86 Wednesday #6
A full 25% of Republicans who are casting ballots in primaries are voting for someone else. lees1975 Wednesday #8
Thanks for the pithy and accurate comment...rec Demsrule86 Wednesday #9
NY Times yankee87 Wednesday #11
As always, you and I are on the same page! Demsrule86 Wednesday #12
it's time to cancel subscriptions to the NYT. It is corrupted and a platform for traitors. samsingh Wednesday #13
I cancelled mine for that reason...that is why I gave an alternative link. Demsrule86 Wednesday #14
Morning Joe accuses the NYT of publishing 'garbage' pro-Trump polls to create news LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #15
That is so true! It is all about hurting Biden...they truly don't like Biden. And with Maggie being controlled by Demsrule86 Wednesday #16

Johnny2X2X

(19,351 posts)
1. the NY times works for the Trump campaign
Wed May 15, 2024, 09:08 AM
Wednesday

The Haberman revelations this week should end the NY Times being considered a legitimate source for news going forward.

Demsrule86

(68,907 posts)
2. It does and they have a personal vendetta against Biden...as they did with Hillary Clinton
Wed May 15, 2024, 09:22 AM
Wednesday

I looked at the Sienna poll. It is dreadful. Calling folks who don't vote or who have not voted recently Biden voters who changed their minds is ridiculous. And these are the things one sees in a Sienna poll.. And breathlessly announcing Trump is ahead of Biden with women is total bullshit.

'One of the things I look for in a polling result is if any of the breakdowns, found in what’s called the “crosstabs,” raise red flags. One jumped out right away for me in this poll, and others saw it, too. As LSU professor and political historian Robert Mann noted,
I do not believe Biden is tied with women nationally 46-46… Biden got 57% of women in 2020. You’re telling me that, post-Dobbs, his support among that demo group will drop to 46? Not credible.'
https://dianeravitch.net/2024/03/03/jay-kuo-dont-believe-the-new-york-times-presidential-poll/

I agree. If you see a poll and half the women are voting for Trump, something went wrong in the polling sample.


Fiendish Thingy

(15,726 posts)
4. Jay Kuo has done an excellent job of deconstructing the NYT polls
Wed May 15, 2024, 09:43 AM
Wednesday

Unfortunately his articles are behind a paywall, although your link provides a good summary and a gift link to one of the articles.

Demsrule86

(68,907 posts)
5. Sorry I don't subscribe to NYT these days...despise them really
Wed May 15, 2024, 10:17 AM
Wednesday

I tried to get the best link I could find. I had looked at these polls and almost fell off my chair when Sienna was saying Trump was leading with women. Are you kidding...no way. How are you? I needed more surgery but am doing fine now.

lees1975

(3,955 posts)
7. There's all kinds of wrong in those Siena polls.
Wed May 15, 2024, 12:27 PM
Wednesday

Remember, these were the cheerleaders of the "Red Tsunami" in 2022. And they went radio silent and tried to hide their mistake when it didn't turn out that way at all.

There are a lot of things they're trying to tell us that don't square up with reality. The young people's vote, which they claim is "tied," isn't even close. They claim that 40% of black voters are planning to stay home, false.

The composites, all of them, are skewed by the number of different polls that are all over the place with tiny samples of voters. We'll see on election day, but I'm guessing Biden gets 53% of the popular vote, and carries Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina and Ohio by two points, Wisconsin by 3, and looking at how senate races are shaping up in Michigan, and Pennsylvania, both of those states by 4. Given Florida's senate numbers, abortion rights numbers and everything that Desantis did there in the past two years, the backlash could give that state to Biden as well.

Demsrule86

(68,907 posts)
10. That is what I think too...and the idea that more women support Trump than in 2020 now after roe is absurd.
Wed May 15, 2024, 12:49 PM
Wednesday

When I saw the NYT poll assert that I knew their sample was bullshit. Great post. Rec.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,726 posts)
3. What's worse than the deeply flawed NYT poll is others uncritically quoting it as if it were accurate.
Wed May 15, 2024, 09:39 AM
Wednesday

The NYT polls get ten times the coverage as most of the other reputable, non-outlier polls get combined.

That’s not just the fault of the NYT, it’s a problem that is exacerbated by every pundit and blogger who shares the poll numbers as if they were accurate reflection of voter sentiment , without criticism of its outlier status or questioning the methodology.

IMO, every mention of any poll should include at least it’s sample size, sample make up (adults, RV, or LV) and MOE, with a link to the methodology page and cross tabs.

That would be the responsible thing to do.

lees1975

(3,955 posts)
8. A full 25% of Republicans who are casting ballots in primaries are voting for someone else.
Wed May 15, 2024, 12:37 PM
Wednesday

That totally and completely undermines any poll that says he's ahead anywhere except Mississippi or West Virginia. I mean, at this point, he's the presumptive nominee, so what would be the point of continuing to bother to show up and cast ballots for Nikki Haley, especially in states where only registered Republicans can vote.

I think some pollsters and media pundits will be shocked at the results, and some are going to see heads roll as a result.

yankee87

(2,199 posts)
11. NY Times
Wed May 15, 2024, 12:56 PM
Wednesday

What a shame how low the NY Times has sunk. They should come out a endorse the Orange Messiah already.

LetMyPeopleVote

(146,101 posts)
15. Morning Joe accuses the NYT of publishing 'garbage' pro-Trump polls to create news
Wed May 15, 2024, 03:39 PM
Wednesday

The NYT poll is pure garbage designed to hurt President Biden



https://www.rawstory.com/new-york-times-trump-poll/

MSNBC host Joe Scarborough went on an extended rant on Wednesday morning over a recent questionable — according to analysts— New York Times/Siena poll that showed Donald Trump with unusually huge leads in battleground states, with the "Morning Joe" host accusing the venerable newspaper of publishing "garbage" to create news.

According to the NYT poll, President Joe Biden is struggling with young voters and voters of color. However, as co-host Mika Brzezinski pointed out, polling experts have taken to social media to rip the pollsters' methodology apart saying the final results have been "skewed" in Trump's favor.

According to Scarborough, he truly believes the Times has been pushing sketchy polls showing Trump leading because it allows them to get multiple stories out them to drive the news cycle......

"That keeps happening every month when this comes out and then about two weeks later after the residue of the New York Times/Siena poll leaves, people go, 'Oh, I think Joe Biden is on a winning streak,'" he continued. "And then two weeks later it comes out again and it's garbage it's an outlier. And yes, the New York Times, when they have all of these experts questioning the methodology, when they are calling 20 percent of the people likely voters who had never voted before or didn't vote in the last two primaries or never voted before, when they are even quoting people who say they are switching their vote from Joe Biden who have never voted before? I'm sorry! The New York Times has to know what they are doing!"

Demsrule86

(68,907 posts)
16. That is so true! It is all about hurting Biden...they truly don't like Biden. And with Maggie being controlled by
Wed May 15, 2024, 08:55 PM
Wednesday

Trump basically in what she wrote...they have behaved disgracefully. You think the Times will get rid of her?

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