thank you for posting this.

The US's support of their existence is no longer assured because of his gross over reaction to a horrific terror attack.

I have been a life long supporter of the US being a major supporter of Israel and even I am questioning whether or not we shouldjust let them go it alone from now on. What do we get out of this relationship anymore?

But I have wrestled with that support and my own beliefs in recent months. I believe there are still Israelis who do not support Netanyahu’s goals, but they are now outnumbered by the religious extremists and the land-stealing lawless settlers. How do we justify continuing support for such a country’s policies? I just can’t.

re: support for Bibi amongst Israeli citizens? I’ve been wondering about this. I see pretty much equal reporting on protests of Bibi and the growing aggression of their right-wingers.

I suppose it is similar to what is going on here. The MAGA Nazi crowd is very loud and aggressive, but we often wrestle with how many they truly are. what we don’t seem to have to wrestle with here is the fact that there are many millions of people who either silently side with it or allow their apathy to encourage it to grow even more.

Another thing I am only recently struggling with is how the word Zionism seems to be morphing in its meaning, thanks to all of the disinformation and misinformation on social media.

to elect enough of a majority to keep Netanyahu in power....no matter what he does.

The right wing owns the Knesset and that is where laws and policy are made.

in their own corner of the world, victim’s of an unthinkable Holocaust.

But now that same blue and white flag represents the very opposite. In my eyes that flag now represents oppressive occupation, land theft, ethnic cleansing and genocide.

I strongly disagree. Netanyahu's blatant lies have only fooled those who weren't paying attention.

Both countries would be better off with them in jail.

“How much longer is Hamas going to hold hostages, both the living and the dead?”

Or isn’t that a concern any longer?

Let's see the protests for that to happen.

Qatar funds Hamas. No protests about that.

is true.

The Palestinians refuse to negotiate (per international law) for their land.

SO the UN says that if you own land and a colonizer takes it, you have to negotiate for it? Weird.

When did the UN say somebody owned land and then a colonizer took it?

They said that Palestine had to negotiate for their taken land per international law.

But, are we pretending that Israel aren't colonizers now? Or that they haven't been taking Palestine land over the years? Because those are both totally true.

Who had the land before Israel was created before May 1948? Did people not on that land on the time come in, draw new boundries, displace the people that were there? Sounds a lot like colonization? Was England a part of doing all this? Because, yeah, sure, England wasn't a huge colonizer. What was I thinking? Has Israel continued to displace Palestinians from their land to increase the amount of land Israel controlled? Sound familiar? Kind of how the US colonized America and kept pushing out the indigenous when they needed more land?

Come on. I get why Israel needed to be created. But if we can't all realize that it was colonization and people were pushed off their land and didn't just give it up freely, then what are we even doing? And if we are going to ignore the fact that Israel continues to take the land a bit a time, then let's just go down that revisionist highway, I guess.

colonized the land?

You left the Romans off the list.

Certainly you know that. Britain absolutely colonized Palestine after the Ottoman collapse. Creating the Jewish state was a part of colonization. I don't know how this is somehow controversial to you. I realize you may not want to think of Israel as colonizers, but, I mean, they are. Do you rail against indigenous in the US calling whites colonizers? Because that's the reality. Let's stop acting like Palestine didn't get the shaft in all this. And before it even starts, I fucking hate Hamas. But if you think that Palestinians are just pissed off because they are racist and Israel had nothing to do with this other than being Jewish, you are ignoring a shit ton of history.

So the building and creation of Israel is actually de-colonization, because Jews had a right to national self determination, and were able to successfully reconstitute their homeland, Israel.

So no, the Jewish state was not part of British colonialism/Imperialism. That's just British historical revisionism that seeks to blame everyone else for their crimes against 100s of indigenous peoples, including the Jews.

Britain did not colonize Palestine after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. After WWI the allied powers assigned the administration of that piece of the former Ottoman Empire to Great Britain -- that's why it was called a Mandate. The British military occupied the area and administered the government, but Britain did not colonize the land. And Britain certainly did not "create the Jewish state" as part of an an apocryphal British colonization.

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Generally folks who have a "shit ton of history" to support their claims are not reduced to saying stuff like

The United Nations offered ownership to parts of Palestine to the Arabs and Zionists, the Arabs rejected that, even though they lacked official standing in the region. The Zionists accepted and then had to deal with a genocidal war perpetrated by the Arab countries who surrounded them.

If the Palestinians ever negotiate with Israel about creating two countries, the discussions must acknowledge standing international law, specifically UN Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338.

They’re not a monolith, nor is there much reason to think that they will or can surrender as a group that would satisfy the bloodthirsty Netanyahu. Further, it’s not hard to imagine Netanyahu claiming thereafter that Hamas is still active and still a threat.

On the other hand, Israel is a very generously subsidized democratic US ally, so it’s fair to hold them to. Higher standard.

an extensive war on terrorism. Even attacked the wrong country in the name of terrorism -- shock and awe and all that. So that's not reality to suggest that terrorism against Israel has to be held to a different and higher standard.

Hamas doesn't need to exist. It is funded by Qatar--it serves someone's purpose there. But it doesn't really need to exist so we don't need to make excuses for them.

And the US is far from innocent in its prosecution of the “war on terror.” But that doesn’t excuse Israel’s actions and doesn’t mean that we can’t say “maybe our ten-figure-subsidized ally shouldn’t slaughter of children.”

I know, I know. “Hunan shields” and “weapons in tunnels” and “Hams started it” and so on. We’ve heard it all before. But Netanyahu is killing innocent civilians by the thousands, and he and his defenders are on the wrong side of history.

I don't see anyone defending Netanyahu. But if "defending" is the word for the day, then Hamas defenders aren't morally tracking either. Hamas and its funders and defenders are as bloodthirsty as Bibi.

Bibi is hardly working alone, anyway., there is a lot more going on than one man.

And of course Netanyahu isn’t flying solo, but it’s unwieldy to name all of his ministers and supporters individually, and when I’ve referred to the state of Israel, I’ve been called an antisemite and been accused of wanting Israel to be destroyed. It accused by you, but elsewhere.

So Netanyahu is the lightning rod by default.

I'm waiting for Israel to use napalm against Palestinian civilians. Since the US did it in Vietnam, it's OK for Israel to do it in Gaza

at Israel from a civilian camp which started the response.

My response was about being realistic about " higher standards".

because every opinion piece should ALWAYS be qualified with a "both sides do it" argument, otherwise they are invalid.

It's obvious.

Yet no matter how bad things get, he just doubles down.

But he undoubtedly knows it is a lost cause.

He is no different than any other tyrant in history and his ending will be pretty much the same.

As Gandhi said, "In the end, they always fall. Think of it--always."

and gift it to the right wing settlers, they'll be happy enough to keep him in power, at least until he does the same with the West Bank.

Plus, there are huge natural gas deposits to be exploited as well as beachfront resorts for Jared.

Or are we supposed to say Netanyahu is "one of the good guys"?

that works like that, even though history is full of such people. Even in fiction, they are hard to believe. Monsters truly walk among us.

Are they now responsible for the 1.5 million people homeless. They need to start supporting the people they have conquered.

and clearly you are labeled as “Pro-Hamas”.

Funny though, that the Times Of Israel ran a piece that was about Netanyahu supporting Hamas!

History will not be kind.

If Hamas goes away, so will Bibi. And he knows that all too well. One thing about far right extremist psychopaths, they're predictable.

as the people A-OK with the killing he orders?

improve one's communication.

before and after the word “however”?

Hyphens, however, may be another matter.

and in my experience if I answer the return question, my question goes unanswered....

Give me an answer, I will give you one.

the 2024 election turns out. Netanyahu is hoping for another Trump presidency so that he will be allowed to complete his genocide of the Palestinian people.

Plenty of Israelis have been protesting and denouncing Bibi's actions. What do Jewish Americans have to do with this? Many have no connection to Israel.

If a=b and b=c then a=c, Using Israel, Zionist and Jew as the variables

They miss the fallacy of the assumption that people are the same as fixed numbers

Which is why many, including posters here, have already geared up their "Israel is to blame for Biden's loss!" and of course, as you have said, the transitive properties will set in for many, and it will morph into "The Jews are to blame for Biden's loss!" I think Biden will DEMOLISH the orange skidmark, so I am worried at this point. I only worry about the myopic dipshits who are so lost up their own asses, they would rather see the nation burn because they didn't get results or purity from their temper tantrums.

he knew and did Nothing
He is Trump and Trump is him; imagine the two of them together making policy. You can kiss your ass goodbye.

Fire away, Whataboutists.

There’s no excuse for genocide.

That’s it.

(1) Since Gazans have nowhere to go, they are in fact a surrendered population.

(2) Since surrender is not an option than being destroyed seems to be what you are suggesting.

Am I wrong? And if so, please explain.

* but if someone else is saying it, then you'll need to seek an explanation or justification from them. Not from me.

The civilians deserve to be targeted because they once elected Hamas to represent them (with no subsequent election ever held)
The civilians are targeted because they have not removed Hamas from power and thus give their consent to Hamas (like the way the population of Belarus supports their dictator?)
The civilians are targeted because they "allow" Hamas to hide amongst them.
Civilians should starve because Hamas might steal any food aid.

I've seen all these here.

Too much has happened, too many innocent Gazan deaths.

It seems like you are absolving Hamas of any responsibility.

* and headquarter their operations in schools/hospitals/markets, and hoard fuel and food... innocent people will die.

Blame Hamas. That's not a "universal excuse" is it?

and be arrested on the warrants for his sorry ass and put in the dock for the war crimes he ordered and continues to order.

If there are elections is Israel, Bibi will be voted out and Bibi would stand trial for a number of crimes that Bibi has committed. Bibi is not negotiating or the release of the hostages or the end of the war because Bibi does not want to have to stand trial.

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I've heard that Israel would have supported a strong response to the raping, maiming, kidnapping, torturing, and cold-blooded intentional murdering of innocent citizens, including Americans and non-Jews, on 10/7 in the worst terror attack against Jews in her history. Along with the avowal to repeat over and over again.

Israel is engaged in an urban war against a terrorist regime who use their own women and children (and Israeli hostages), schools and hospitals, as their first line defense. Hamas are horrible people, and terrorists like Hezbollah, Houthis, as well as ISIS and Al-Quaeda (remember when we thought they were evil?)

The IDF has made mistakes, as would any defense force in wartime. Just no previous war had extremist islamic operatives doing a play-by-play for tiktok. The recent tent incident was a fire from a bomb, possibly started by hidden munitions (again, the human shields). And forget, Hamas has tried to fire over 12,000 missiles into Israel since the war started, although 20% of them have struck their own people and buildings. But, they still blame Israel as if they no agency.

Blame Bibi for his justice system abuses and corruption, but not for trying to defend Israel.

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