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Tom of Temecula

(1,632 posts)
Fri Jun 28, 2024, 12:46 AM Jun 2024

Some Democrats start calling for Biden to step aside and 'throw in the towel' on 2024

Some Democrats began calling for President Joe Biden to step aside so that the party can nominate another candidate after he stumbled badly in Thursday's debate against his Republican rival, former President Donald Trump. "This was like a champion boxer who gets in the ring past his prime and needs his corner to throw in the towel," said one Democratic lawmaker, adding that he meant Biden should exit the race.

The options for a switch are limited: If the president doesn't choose to leave of his own volition, there would have to be a revolt among Democratic National Convention delegates, the vast majority of whom were elected on their pledge to nominate Biden. But that's what some Democrats were thinking about Thursday night.

It's “time to talk about an open convention and a new Democratic nominee,” said a second Democratic lawmaker who has been a solid Biden supporter.

The fear among these Democrats is that the version of Biden that showed up to the debate — one bearing a likeness to the caricature Trump and his allies have portrayed of a man unequipped for the job — cannot win in November.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/democrats-biden-step-aside-throw-towel-2024-rcna159368

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Some Democrats start calling for Biden to step aside and 'throw in the towel' on 2024 (Original Post) Tom of Temecula Jun 2024 OP
Which democrats? edisdead Jun 2024 #1
Maria Shiver, Claire McCaskill plus many others womanofthehills Jun 2024 #12
Well screw both of them angrychair Jun 2024 #18
So no elected Democrats? Self Esteem Jun 2024 #27
Exactly. It is bullshit and a sure way to lose the election, and the fact that they ignore VP Harris ready to take over JohnSJ Jun 2024 #28
Where does Maria Shriver say MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2024 #44
McCaskill is usually full of it. LiberalFighter Jun 2024 #47
Losers in other words Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2024 #48
'Some democrats' ought to throw in their own towels. elleng Jun 2024 #2
Thank-you Ellen. Excellent analysis. +++ JohnSJ Jun 2024 #29
onesuspects article does not name names nt msongs Jun 2024 #3
Dem lawmaker, huh? orange jar Jun 2024 #4
the only one quoted on the recordwas Axelrod who's been less than helpful to this presidency with his clickbait nonsense bigtree Jun 2024 #5
No Dems who will show their faces? Cha Jun 2024 #6
I Wonder If These Dems Actually Exist WiVoter Jun 2024 #17
Yeah M$M makes us Cha Jun 2024 #19
People are saying... kysrsoze Jun 2024 #53
Tom, you're on the money, like usual! marble falls Jun 2024 #7
Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #16
Popular enough, my friend, popular enough. Ethics read pretty good in history. marble falls Jun 2024 #20
Ethics? shrike3 Jun 2024 #22
Even more cryptic retort. marble falls Jun 2024 #23
I didn't see any display of ethics, so I wondered where they might be. shrike3 Jun 2024 #26
My goodness. shrike3 Jun 2024 #21
Who is suggesting otherwise? marble falls Jun 2024 #24
Numerous posters here, over and over. shrike3 Jun 2024 #25
Do you have any idea of how many of those we've banned since last night? A lot. I took my first hide in years ... marble falls Jun 2024 #32
I'm not the one who made a comment about blaming the DNC for something that hasn't even happened yet. shrike3 Jun 2024 #37
Over and over MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2024 #46
Really? and how will history judge IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN? Will the doomsayers come out and say they were JohnSJ Jun 2024 #34
Thank you. You did a much better job than I did. shrike3 Jun 2024 #38
If you caught Lawrence O'Donnell tonight, it was a breath of sanity. JohnSJ Jun 2024 #40
I did not. I'll look for it. shrike3 Jun 2024 #41
Here JohnSJ Jun 2024 #43
Excuse you? MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2024 #45
A convicted felon & rapist has 100% support from Rs Sibelius Fan Jun 2024 #8
And if their views represented most Democrats... W_HAMILTON Jun 2024 #9
This 👆👆👆👆👍 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2024 #49
Most Democrats will wait, a bit. But I have no doubt some Democrats are talking. Silent Type Jun 2024 #10
Oh, of course they are. This is a very important election. AND, there were those who expected Trump to melt down. shrike3 Jun 2024 #30
"Some Democrats"?? NAME NAMES or else just SHUT THE FUCK UP! DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #11
Very fucking succinct and dead on. The MSM motherfuckers won't put a fucking face on the goddamn shit. SoFlaBro Jun 2024 #39
Does anyone take the unfortunate Jonathan Allen seriously? lapucelle Jun 2024 #13
I read LUCKY, and was quite offended by it. shrike3 Jun 2024 #31
and what those jackasses did to Hillary is a disgrace. F**K them and the NY Times. JohnSJ Jun 2024 #35
He should become a Republican Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2024 #50
Some Democrats are wrong. spanone Jun 2024 #14
Either way, I'll be voting for the Democratic candidate and against Trump. Ping Tung Jun 2024 #15
Really? you mean the one bad debate performance isn't going to force you to change you mind on the issues? JohnSJ Jun 2024 #36
Yeah, I just unfriended one on Facebook. Turbineguy Jun 2024 #33
'Many Democrats are saying...' emulatorloo Jun 2024 #42
Not smart. IMO that would give it to trrump and a dictatorship. brush Jun 2024 #51
Wow, there must be a real groundswell of support for Biden dropping out if EarlG Jun 2024 #52
I agree, EarlG. Part of the narrative. shrike3 Jun 2024 #56
Way, way too many Americans are such low information voters that they couldn't compute Biden being replaced elocs Jun 2024 #54
Fuck that shit. Enough already we can do it Jun 2024 #55

angrychair

(9,569 posts)
18. Well screw both of them
Fri Jun 28, 2024, 09:07 PM
Jun 2024

They are not invited to the inauguration ceremony.
And if Claire has a WH press pass it should be revoked.

JohnSJ

(95,446 posts)
28. Exactly. It is bullshit and a sure way to lose the election, and the fact that they ignore VP Harris ready to take over
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 12:28 AM
Jun 2024

is a disgrace and an embarrassment.



bigtree

(89,325 posts)
5. the only one quoted on the recordwas Axelrod who's been less than helpful to this presidency with his clickbait nonsense
Fri Jun 28, 2024, 12:51 AM
Jun 2024

....is it too much to ask that these clickbait articles aren't just laundered through this Democratic site like gospel?

How comfortable are you with spreading negative opinions from people who can't be bothered to identify themselves?

What is this shit good for, anyway? Who is it serving for supposed Democrats to anonymously trash this incumbent president?

Cha

(303,936 posts)
6. No Dems who will show their faces?
Fri Jun 28, 2024, 12:51 AM
Jun 2024

Gov Newsom showed his and he said this is NOT helpful.

ETA~ Oh Axelrod.. he's been anti Pres Biden from the Get Go.. so he doesn't fucking count.

Cha

(303,936 posts)
19. Yeah M$M makes us
Fri Jun 28, 2024, 09:22 PM
Jun 2024

Wonder because they are Not to be trusted 😈🤮 trolls 🧌 for money 💰 💰

Response to marble falls (Reply #7)

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
21. My goodness.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 12:10 AM
Jun 2024

I suspect historians will be too busy sifting through the smoke and ash to worry about the opposition.

Hitler, Goebbels, Eichmann, Mengele, et. al. get a lot more ink than Hindenberg. A lot more books written about them. I suspect most people don't even know the latter's name.

I'll ask the same question I've asked repeatedly. Who should be the candidate instead? Who polls better against Trump than Joe?

And, frankly, it'll be the American people's fault if Trump gets back in. Nobody else's. A potted plant should be preferable to him. Yet he got more votes in 2020 than in 2016 and only barely lost the Electoral College. Who did that? The voters. Who don't pay attention. Who don't even know how their own government works. And they don't want to know. They'd rather watch cat videos. They'd rather have a candidate who entertains them than promotes solid policy. Who's to blame for this? In a representative democracy voters are expected to be educated and well-informed. If they aren't, it's on them. If America goes down, it'll be the people's fault. Plain and simple.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
25. Numerous posters here, over and over.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 12:22 AM
Jun 2024

And we already have a post about future blaming of the DNC and a very old man who didn't know it was his time to leave.

marble falls

(61,054 posts)
32. Do you have any idea of how many of those we've banned since last night? A lot. I took my first hide in years ...
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 12:36 AM
Jun 2024

... baiting one of them.

To be clear: four years of good governance and open process was not negated by the ambush at CNN's dog and pony show. Especially when there is no discussion of the observable mental confusion a convicted felon has, who may well be jailed in a couple of weeks, and who faces much more serious crimes in at least two more courtroom. Where's call-out for Mango Jebus to get out of the race?

That old white men like me are more than appropriately represented in politics, (though not so much in the Democratic side of the House) is a fact. It does need to be addressed. Just not during this election.

This really does need discussing. But not now. We are in a fight to save democratic principles this nation was founded on: this is the fight between Democrats and Republicans. This is a valid discussion. But not until Jan 21, 2025. And everyone needs to stop harping on Joe's age without mentioning that Mango is another old white male.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
37. I'm not the one who made a comment about blaming the DNC for something that hasn't even happened yet.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 12:50 AM
Jun 2024

I can't point out who did say it because it's against the rules. Now, I agree with what you say. And I also think much of what is going on now is not helpful or fruitful.

JohnSJ

(95,446 posts)
34. Really? and how will history judge IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN? Will the doomsayers come out and say they were
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 12:45 AM
Jun 2024

wrong suggesting an open convention?

Or will it be like those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016, and contributed to

where we are today, with the David Sirotas, Cornell Wests, Susan Sarandons, Nina Turner, Brihana Joy Gray who still have no regrets for their actions of not only refusing to vote for Hillary, but encouraging others to do likewise.

In every critical swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, while in those critical swing states Jill Stein received 1% of the vote.

The ones who SHOULD BE RICHLY BLAMED are those from 2016 who refused to VOTE FOR HILLARY, and if trump wins the white house again, the one's who should be blamed are not only those who won't vote for Biden, but also those who won't recognize that VP Harris was there to take over if necessary.

NO PROCHOICE WOMAN IS GOING TO VOTE FOR TRUMP, OR NOT VOTE FOR BIDEN BECAUSE OF ONE BAD DEBATE, BECAUSE THE ISSUES HAVE NOT CHANGED WHERE THE CANDIDATES STAND.

and frankly, anyone who cannot understand that simple logic is NOT THE SHARPEST TACK IN THE BOX.

Nothing has changed, and I am thoroughly disgusted by this pile on bullshit, not unlike what they did to Al Franken.

The reason we lose elections isn't because of the "vanity of an old man", but the ego and vanity of those whose ideal candidate wasn't there, and will never be there, because even those throwing out names, can't agree.

They should be embarrassed.



JohnSJ

(95,446 posts)
43. Here
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 01:09 AM
Jun 2024
https://www.democraticunderground.com/132123622

and how all these suggestions that President Biden should drop out, not one had any idea how a replacement would happen and where that money to finance those candidates would come from.



Sibelius Fan

(24,595 posts)
8. A convicted felon & rapist has 100% support from Rs
Fri Jun 28, 2024, 12:52 AM
Jun 2024

Biden has a mediocre debate and “some Ds” say he needs to be replaced.

WTF?

W_HAMILTON

(8,258 posts)
9. And if their views represented most Democrats...
Fri Jun 28, 2024, 12:52 AM
Jun 2024

...they wouldn't be afraid to put their name out there.

The fact that they didn't tells you all you need to know about the value of these opinions.

Silent Type

(5,973 posts)
10. Most Democrats will wait, a bit. But I have no doubt some Democrats are talking.
Fri Jun 28, 2024, 12:53 AM
Jun 2024

I feel some better tonight after reflection, maybe rationalization.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
30. Oh, of course they are. This is a very important election. AND, there were those who expected Trump to melt down.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 12:31 AM
Jun 2024

Which didn't happen. I didn't think it would, frankly. And I'm not just saying that.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
11. "Some Democrats"?? NAME NAMES or else just SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Fri Jun 28, 2024, 12:54 AM
Jun 2024

Some Republicans have called for Donald Trump to shoot himself in the head!

Sorry, I don't have any direct quotes,
but I overheard it in some magat bar....


lapucelle

(19,509 posts)
13. Does anyone take the unfortunate Jonathan Allen seriously?
Fri Jun 28, 2024, 02:40 PM
Jun 2024

Who of any importance actually tells the gossipy troll anything anymore?




JohnSJ

(95,446 posts)
36. Really? you mean the one bad debate performance isn't going to force you to change you mind on the issues?
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 12:48 AM
Jun 2024

brush

(56,830 posts)
51. Not smart. IMO that would give it to trrump and a dictatorship.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 02:19 AM
Jun 2024

It's much too late for a new candidate's campaign to start and make an impression on the electorate...and there's also fund-rainsing to consider.

EarlG

(22,436 posts)
52. Wow, there must be a real groundswell of support for Biden dropping out if
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 02:36 AM
Jun 2024

not one single Democrat that the reporter contacted wanted to be named.

Go read the entire article. Not one single named source. "A Democratic lawmaker." "A Democratic strategist." "A Democratic operative." And on and on.

I have no doubt that these are real people who actually said these things to the reporter. But the fact that he couldn't get a single one of them to give their names tells me that this ain't exactly a popular point of view. This isn't Trump's MAGA cult where non-believers are excommunicated -- Democrats are usually quite happy to shoot each other in the foot when things go wrong.

Yet the reporter couldn't find a single source willing to give their name along with what the reporter is implying is a popular opinion within the party.

If actual named Democrats actually start laying into Biden from the sidelines, I'd say we have a problem. Otherwise I'd say this is just shit stirring on the part of the reporter.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
56. I agree, EarlG. Part of the narrative.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 01:36 PM
Jun 2024

We've heard Biden Must Step Aside before, and this is just a chance for the MSM to reinforce that narrative.

elocs

(23,023 posts)
54. Way, way too many Americans are such low information voters that they couldn't compute Biden being replaced
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 05:06 AM
Jun 2024

on the ballot. After all, they're just starting to think about the election...a little bit.

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