him would be a (slight) exaggeration.

I assume they have called for Trump to step aside in light of his recent convictions?

That should have been their response to his 34 convictions. Damn, this really sucks.

They would ask me asking Biden to drop out because they don't want Trump to win. Asking Trump to drop out it's just a meaningless thing to posit.

Trump was convicted on 34 counts on May 30th. In the past four weeks, how many journalists, pundits, and editorial boards have asked Trump, a convicted felon, to step aside?

I understand that many of them don't want Trump to win, but they sure haven't been terribly helpful for the most part. Meanwhile, I don't think a last minute replacement for Biden at this point would be very helpful.

I'm sure some of its editorial writers must being taking tranquilizers right about now. I hope they fought like hell for this not to happen!

My son, who lives in NYC, tells me he is not surprised. I'll see him later and have a long conversation about it with him. He's a good Dem and a smart guy, but I need to find out why he is "not surprised."

Actually, I was surprised at some of the voices calling for Biden to redraw. I really expected better from people like Paul Krugman and Jonathan Alter. They should have taken those tranquilizers BEFORE they wrote their opinions. Talk about kneejerk reactions.

I don't know. Maybe some of them have always felt this way and the poor debate performance was a good excuse to say it out loud.

changing candidates is a legitimate discussion at this point. No disrespect to President Biden who is a thousand times that man that Trump is.

This was ONE “debate”!! A poor performance I. One debate doesn’t signify that Biden is unfit to be president! How ridiculous is that!

And many of these journalists have been around for a long time. They of all people should have known better.

to prop up another candidate. It takes a long time and a lot of money and planning to put together a presidential run.

Meanwhile, it was understandable that journalists would write about Biden's poor debate performance and express legitimate concern, but they could have waited a day or two before declaring en masse that Biden should redraw. The stark contrast between Biden on that debate stage and Biden in North Carolina the next day tells a different story than the ones they were writing.

because he does not get to be in charge of Joe's schedule.

Maybe you're right, but the New York Times saying it carries some weight.

"carries some weight"?

But you've neglected to address the subject of the other candidate with the 34 felonies. Care to tell us how you feel about that? Does that "carry weight" with you?

Now you know how I feel. I still think that the NY Times still functions as a paper opf record in the US, and that its editorial board opinion is a big deal, even if we disagree with its substance. The NY Times editorial board calling for a sitting President to step aside from his reelection bid is a big deal, even if you don't think so.

I've been reading it for years. I'm in Texas now, but I spent 15 years on the East Coast, working and living in Wash DC and NYC.

I had a lot of respect for both papers then. Now the Wash Post is owned by Bezos and the current family member running the NYTimes has a problem with Joe Biden.

You've told me how you feel about Trump, and that's fine - but you still didn't answer the question. Don't you feel like someone with 34 felonies should be questioned? Shouldn't Arthur question how Trump can be the nominee for the republicans?

There is actually quite a bit of questioning of Trump in the editorial.

I don't know why you're making this about my opinion.

and you did write the OP so folks will respond ...

Stock market is down 10 points today so maybe we're both a little correct. Investors aren't feeling too happy either way. Hopefully the work President Biden has done the past 4 years will be enough to convince them (and independents) that throwing it back in the hands of Trump is not the best thing for the future of this country.

They have dug their own grave.

Do most people nowadays decide something based on a newspaper editorial board's opinions? This isn't the twentieth century anymore.

It's an information point, but one that carries some weight. Still does.

but more so that people nowadays don't trust/hold news agencies in as high of a regard as they used to. We'll see what happens, I guess, but I don't expect Biden or his allies to listen to the NYT on this (nor should he, imo)

They'll decide based on polls and fundraising. The problem is that those may be affected by newspaper of record opinions. Just think of the high regard with which some of the (self-professedly) richest most vocal fundraisers around here hold the NY Times opinon. If polls crater and the fundraisers put pressure, Biden won't make it to the convention. The NY Times is a canary in a coal mine on that. We'll see, sure, but real soon.

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They have drifted significantly right

Keep telling yourself that.

I'm assuming they've had similar op eds about Trump

OK then

...and that this suggestion that Biden step down is about realpolitik, about accounting for (not the NYT's words) the stupid way the American public makes voting decisions.

They clearly state that they consider a Trump win a huge threat to the country.

Not calling on Trump to resign is simply knowing Trump, nor the Republican party, have a good side to appeal to for dropping out for the good of the country.

It would of course be better if they skipped over the expectations game and flat out called on Trump to resign too, just to make things more clear and definitive, but I think we all know that would be a futile gesture. Republicans would glory in being told Trump should withdraw by the NYT, so saying Trump should quit the race would be nothing more than preaching to the choir.

Good to know - I avoid the NYT

Remember every other sentence out of his anus mouth used to be “the failing New York Times”……

These NYT reporters are a bunch of sorry fucks suffering from some kind of bizarre Stockholm Syndrome abuse….

Fck them. They are fascists.

For the NYT Ttolls!🤮😈

which they are ok with, since they want Trump to lose.

...not even after his conviction on election fraud.

The NYT is a criminal enabling enterprise.

Without lubrication.

Seems to be spearheaded by the New Zork Times.

How did that work out for you, Jonathan Swan, today when Joe didn't drop out? I saw you drooling on Xitter before he spoke. You thought you got him. How do you splain that one to the 🍊 anus, or Uncle Pootey Poot, Maggie and Jonathan? You kiss up to a sexual predator, fraud, and convicted felon cause he might win?

IMHO.

nt.

in 2019 and 2021.

But it was the more conservative Wall Street Journal calling on Twice Impeached to resign after 1/6/21.

While he was in office!

by the "paper of records' " board. Double standard doesn't even begin to cover it.

but the NY Times never called him to step aside.

That editorial came to me via email. I hit unsubscribe. No more of their shit.

Also they love a horse race. They love the money that comes with a horse race. They love hyping the horse race to bring in the money from the horse race.

Biden won’t give us an interview because we want Trump back in office so badly.

So he needs to go

Heil Trumpenfuhrer!

I am so glad that I cancelled my subscription back in 2015. The NYT is in the tank for TFG with people like Haberman

yes, it was a bad night. But look at his speech today.

... where did the rumor of the NYT being a "liberal" paper come from, anyways?

In couple months time. Even if VP Harris steps in she will have to choose a running mate who people won’t know that well. You piss off 1/2 of dem voters and the other voters sit out and trump walks in the WH.

That’s what I say.

Fuck the NYT!

One bad performance and they're all in with Cheato.

Just because Biden didn't kiss their collective nasty asses.

get elected the first time by not reporting on his long history of corruption based in their city?

Put that in your smipe and poke it

Matter 🤮😈

The media are really weird this way. They did this to the Clintons when they arrived in the White House in 1993, and they never let up. The reason: Hillary wouldn't kiss the backside of Sally Quinn. It really was that stupid and that petty.

We are seeing the same thing being played out here with the "Newspaper of Record."

I won’t take ANYTHING they say seriously.

"They're nothing but a deck of cards."

I need a tutorial on linking images.

Are they worried the Rupert Murdoch NY Post is out selling them?

"It doesn't get any worse than that! When the NY Times doesn't want you, it's bad. It's real bad".


How stupid. Keep your thoughts to yourself NYT!!!

It's one thing for Koffee Klatches to say this. It's another thing for the NYT to blast it. How moronic!!!

They are so pro corporate I am dubious on their opinions!

A bad debate performance is beyond the pale but being a 34 time convicted felon and rapist is just fine.

Link to tweet

It's not necessarily going to be easier for another candidate to beat TSF in the November elections, so we're supposed to give up Biden's incumbency for a different "reckless gamble".

On the other hand the NYT probably does employ many people who will need to flee the country immediately if TSF wins, so I can understand why they might be jumpy...

What do they have to say about a criminal convicted of 34 felonies, not to mention someone who fomented an attempted coup d'etat against our country? Again, FUCK THEM.

I dropped my NY times subscription on inauguration day in 2021. They were more concerned with Biden wearing a rolex during inauguration than the insurrection that had just happened. That is bullshit. Posting just so the title of the article proves my point. It is not worth reading. Don't fucking subscribe to this piece of shit paper. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/fashion/mens-style/rolex-biden.html

They can go fuck off.

Tell the lying rapist felon to step down.

A sane country would be calling the felon to step down.

That's the problem. Neither of these guys are getting nominated by a "sane country", but rather by a heavily engineered primary system that only reflects the will of 10% of the country.

I'd say if the Times is trying to get Trump elected, they're doing a lousy job,

...in your usual manner.

OK, then, buddy. So a lot of the other responses are conspiracy theories debunked by your selections? Is that your brilliant point?

Unfortunately some forget this is Democratic Underground and think it’s Corporate Media Underground.

They could have given Biden the benefit of the doubt, that he wasn't up to par, that he was obviously under the weather. That trump did nothing but lie and Biden was prepared to debate but there wasn't a debate. He was blindsided. Thought you guys behind the scenes were supposed to not let that happen.
Honestly, I think any Democrat would have been blindsided, Biden was not at his best for sure but that was enough said, step down? Bullshit.

For our news media, it's all about ratings and trump delivers. why don't they pick apart everything that came out of the lying mouth of trump. That's what every editorial should be about. "I know Putins' dreams" not a whisper about that.

This was NOT a debate.

That's all I have to say.

ALRIGHTY THEN

It is an absolute tragedy that trump is the republican nominee.

If he killed someone on 5th Avenue you wouldn't be calling for him to step down.

Fuck you.

You are a big part of the problem.

You helped cause this disaster.

You could have fought hard to stop trump, but you didn't.

You helped spread his lies.

You helped to "normalize" trump.

Just fuck off.

If Joe were just a head in a box he would get my vote.

Fuck you for aiding and abetting trump.

They have pissed all their cred away long ago

About Trump's mental and emotional deficiencies?

guidelines. I am so glad to finally see it posted.

I am aghast, as a NYT daily subscriber. But as an East Coast liberal in one of the country's most liberal cities, I felt it was better to have someone else post it. So thank you Prairie Gates, for posting!