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GoodRaisin

(10,697 posts)
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 02:40 PM Jun 2024

Donald Trump made some fatal mistakes during the debate. One really big one was

he revealed that he literally does not care about young families struggling with child care costs. This can readily be observed starting at 1:05:29 in the attached link to the debate. Not once, but twice he pivoted from the the question to talk about utter nonsense having nothing to do with child care costs.

Joe answered.

Scroll to the 1:05:29 mark to listen to the entire exchange, then ask yourself, if you need childcare assistance, which of the two candidates will help you, and which will not. I believe that Trump makes it very plain. I also believe he has given Democrats a very big opportunity to run with this, because lots and lots of young voters need child care. Joe’s campaign needs to pull this segment up and run it over and over again between now and the election.

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Donald Trump made some fatal mistakes during the debate. One really big one was (Original Post) GoodRaisin Jun 2024 OP
I wanted to hear his answer and twice he ignored the question kimbutgar Jun 2024 #1
I've already learned of one who said he and his wife are changing their vote. GoodRaisin Jun 2024 #2
OMG, that was...stunning. And embarrassing that Tapper didn't call him out on not answering. -nt CrispyQ Jun 2024 #3
The decision to remain mute was made... Eyeball_Kid Jun 2024 #6
It looks like... GiqueCee Jun 2024 #13
Who is supposed to take care of all those kids??? ultralite001 Jun 2024 #4
That list is an outline of Republican selfishness, depravity, and cruelty. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #7
All Trump did was lie and eat up the clock. Joe Biden won the debate Emile Jun 2024 #5
"Buh buh buh his voice was RASPY! And he STUTTERED!" Grokenstein Jun 2024 #8
dinos need not apply! nt et tu Jun 2024 #19
I still think one of the glaring moments was his denial of having sex with a porn star, but said nothing Bev54 Jun 2024 #9
I was delighted to see his "answer," so to speak NJCher Jun 2024 #18
saw an article on MSM 4catsmom Jun 2024 #10
The other big mistake Grump made was saying that immigrants are taking black jobs. Lonestarblue Jun 2024 #11
Mic cut Blue Full Moon Jun 2024 #12
Joe spoke too long! Again! But you had the perfect response! Grins Jun 2024 #14
The Biden campaign could make 30 commercials, one each debunking IcyPeas Jun 2024 #15
Trump is a psychopath-- of course he doesn't care LymphocyteLover Jun 2024 #16
When trump was pivoting DownriverDem Jun 2024 #17
trump rambled on and on barbtries Jun 2024 #20
TFG couldn't answer the question because he had the rich man's solution Warpy Jun 2024 #21
Psychopathy Checklist & Lying bmichaelh Jun 2024 #22
Out of touch Dem4life1234 Jun 2024 #23
Trump Has No Clue HPM Jun 2024 #24

kimbutgar

(26,679 posts)
1. I wanted to hear his answer and twice he ignored the question
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 02:41 PM
Jun 2024

When my son was young finding affordable and reliable childcare was challenging.

Doesn’t his MAGA supporters have children?

GoodRaisin

(10,697 posts)
2. I've already learned of one who said he and his wife are changing their vote.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 02:57 PM
Jun 2024

A friend of my son who said they were voting for R’s until they watched this. They have 3 kids.

CrispyQ

(40,612 posts)
3. OMG, that was...stunning. And embarrassing that Tapper didn't call him out on not answering. -nt
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 03:10 PM
Jun 2024

Eyeball_Kid

(7,604 posts)
6. The decision to remain mute was made...
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 03:38 PM
Jun 2024

...at the highest levels of CNN's editorial management, and it was made over a week in advance. They KNEW what Trump would do, and they knew that Trump had no intention of answering questions. AND THEY DECIDED, THEY PLANNED, TO SAY NOTHING. In effect, they supported Trump. They decided to allow Trump to sully the debate with lies and nonsense. They DID have the responsibility to control the programming. They had the elective capacity to show the viewers that Trump CAN-- or CAN'T-- answer questions about policy and law. Without pressing a manipulative and deceptive Trump, they failed to account for their programming agenda. By failing, they showed that they were lazy and submissive journalists who would blame others for their failings.

GiqueCee

(3,309 posts)
13. It looks like...
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 04:14 PM
Jun 2024

... Mark Thompson is following in Chris Licht's footsteps. In a perverse attempt to appear unbiased, they are being grotesquely biased in giving Republicans carte blanche to defile their platform with the Orange Manure Spreader's incessant lies.

ultralite001

(2,355 posts)
4. Who is supposed to take care of all those kids???
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 03:17 PM
Jun 2024

When the GOP wants abortions banned...
When the GOP wants contraceptives banned...
When the GOP supports the unbridled sexual proclivities of their convicted felon Presidential nominee...
When the GOP cuts school lunch programs, medical care benefits, and thwarts vaccination programs...
When the GOP wants to cut Social Security/Medicare for grandma + grandpa -- who used to provide care for grandkids...
When the GOP wants to permit child marriage...
When the GOP wants to expand child labor...
When the GOP wants to destroy America's education system...

Children are supposed to be our future... With the GOP's agenda, our children will have a future of no hope...

Emile

(40,321 posts)
5. All Trump did was lie and eat up the clock. Joe Biden won the debate
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 03:23 PM
Jun 2024

and answered the questions.

Grokenstein

(6,240 posts)
8. "Buh buh buh his voice was RASPY! And he STUTTERED!"
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 03:54 PM
Jun 2024

"We should give up right now! Surrender! Hello, fellow Democrats, I am one of you!" /sarcasm

Bev54

(13,152 posts)
9. I still think one of the glaring moments was his denial of having sex with a porn star, but said nothing
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 03:57 PM
Jun 2024

about sexually assaulting a woman in a department store. Why does it bother him that Biden accused him of having sex with a porn star when Biden also accused him of sexually assaulting E.Jean Carroll and he says nothing. It really strikes me, I don't care if he had sex with a porn star, I expect nothing less from him, but sexual assault seems to mean nothing?

NJCher

(42,314 posts)
18. I was delighted to see his "answer," so to speak
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 04:52 PM
Jun 2024

on those questions. I think it came up twice, maybe three times. Keep in mind that we get most of our message from nonverbal communication, so the physical reaction counts more than what he actually says.

Alex Witt just played the alley cat clip as I was writing this. His physical reaction to Biden telling him he has the morals of an alley cat is "ya' got me." He assumes a hangdog look on his face. It really is remarkable and that clip should be played over and over.

He takes a second to recover and then says I did not sleep with a porn star. And that's it, that's all he says.

Here's a snip from a search:

70 to 93 percent
The percentage of messages that involve nonverbal communication varies depending on the source. According to Albert Mehrabian, a researcher of body language, communication is 55% nonverbal, 38% vocal, and 7% words only1. However, most experts agree that 70 to 93 percent of all communication is nonverbal2. Mehrabian also concluded that only 7% of communication is verbal, and 93% is non-verbal. Of this 93%, 55% of the message is communicated by facial expressions and body language, and 38% by tone of voice3.

4catsmom

(667 posts)
10. saw an article on MSM
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 03:57 PM
Jun 2024

with the title "Trump wins first debate despite lying over 30 times" - this is America now

Lonestarblue

(13,195 posts)
11. The other big mistake Grump made was saying that immigrants are taking black jobs.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 04:08 PM
Jun 2024

How insulting to assume that there’s such a thing as jobs just for black people! That remark needs to get lots of attention.

Blue Full Moon

(3,111 posts)
12. Mic cut
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 04:08 PM
Jun 2024

When he refused to answer the question his mic should have been turned off and asked the question again and made to answer. That whole speech of lies should have never been broadcast. But this portion could be used against him.

Grins

(9,214 posts)
14. Joe spoke too long! Again! But you had the perfect response!
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 04:17 PM
Jun 2024

On the question of making child care more affordable, Trump gave his usual word salad of bullshittery.

If I was Joe after hearing that…?

Tapper: Mr. President..?

Biden (acting incredulous!): WHAT THE HELL WAS THE QUESTION????? OK. Never mind. Child care. You’d never know by that answer.

Child care costing more than your rent is a major national issue. The ONE question those needing childcare help have to ask themselves is this: What Party will help you? What Party cares about that? What Party cares about you and your family?
And you know the answer.”

And then do what Jon Stewart BEGS Biden to do! What ever good salesman knows what to do: SHUT!! UP!!

Still have almost 2 minutes to respond? SHUT UP! So what if you have more time? This is point when you have won! Say another word - you lose. Point. Match.

IcyPeas

(24,765 posts)
15. The Biden campaign could make 30 commercials, one each debunking
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 04:23 PM
Jun 2024

donald's lies from the debate and showing the actual truth.

Consider them Public Service Announcements.

DownriverDem

(6,958 posts)
17. When trump was pivoting
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 04:44 PM
Jun 2024

to nonsense, his mic should have been muted. He should have been given another chance to answer. If he fails again, mic muted & then go back to President Biden.

barbtries

(31,096 posts)
20. trump rambled on and on
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 05:24 PM
Jun 2024

without addressing the question, then they cut Joe off.

definitely a win for Joe. Child care is a real issue for millions of parents. i'm glad i had my children when I did, because I had help for that - governmental help with child care

Warpy

(114,363 posts)
21. TFG couldn't answer the question because he had the rich man's solution
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 05:25 PM
Jun 2024

meaning a WIFE whose responsibility was house and children so he didn't have to look at the kids, listen to the kids, or even particularly think about them while they were kids. CHILD CARE? Stick your wife with the whole burden, that's what she's for.

So oh boy, he couldn't run away from that one fast enough.

bmichaelh

(1,079 posts)
22. Psychopathy Checklist & Lying
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 05:27 PM
Jun 2024

Per one body language expert, Trump was engaging in 'Duping Delight'.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-admission-body-language-debate/

He knows he is lying but delights in lying.

Another article is a Psychopathy Checklist.
Some of these were evident by Trump during the debate; some were referred to indirectly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_Checklist

Item 1: Glibness/superficial charm
Item 2: Grandiose sense of self-worth
Item 3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Item 4: Pathological lying
Item 5: Conning/manipulative
Item 6: Lack of remorse or guilt
Item 7: Shallow affect
Item 8: Callous/lack of empathy
Item 9: Parasitic lifestyle
Item 10: Poor behavioral controls
Item 11: Promiscuous sexual behavior
Item 12: Early behavior problems
Item 13: Lack of realistic, long-term goals
Item 14: Impulsivity
Item 15: Irresponsibility
Item 16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
Item 17: Many short-term marital relationships
Item 18: Juvenile delinquency
Item 19: Revocation of conditional release
Item 20: Criminal versatility

HPM

(24 posts)
24. Trump Has No Clue
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 11:58 PM
Jun 2024

what childcare is or that people need it in order to be able to work. He assumes everyone has the financial wherewithal to have a mother stay at home, and, if she needs to be out, to have the nanny take over.

It’s not a topic he identifies with at all.

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