...no pushback here, just the gaslighting.

I swear, if this board becomes an echo chamber of opposition to Joe Biden, I'm done here.

This is bullshit.

magas are continually surprised by events because they live more in a bubble than other people.

I agree with you that there is a lack of any pushback by the OP, no discussion, no personal take, no good cheer.

...support Democrats.

That most of the folks pushing for Biden to be replaced on the ticket would not utter the name "Kamala Harris" as a replacement...

I don't like it, but it is what it is.

What I don't like is when posters express their personal opinion that Joe should withdraw.

Since it's a MSM article showing a poll, it's no different posting other MSM articles which show polls Trump ahead.

Those in the media who are asking Joe to withdraw are not covering this responsibly.
They are in a way just as irresponsible as the posters who come and want Joe to withdraw.
The media is not looking at the big picture.
Anyone who expresses their opinion that Joe should withdraw (this includes the media) really needs to look at the big picture.
They are making it sound like, "The Democrats can just chose someone else, easy peasy".

I'm glad the DNC is pushing back.

but I think this thread is pathetic and right wing talking points.

I miss the time when the news was reported...now, they make up a narrative and run it 24/7 to make people believe it.

That is how propaganda works.

You tell the man that took office in the U.S. Senate weeks after losing his wife and child, that he is done.

You tell the man that saved this country after losing his son, that he is done.

You tell the man that has presided over the greatest economy in history that he is done.

Go on.

Do it.

Man up Tom. Man up. Be the tough guy, don't hide behind polls or narratives, email the campaign, put out a YouTube video.

Tell the man who has done more to save this country than anyone not named Washington, Lincoln, or FDR that it's over.

But when you do, at least use your real name.

My President deserves that much.

I'm not alerting on this because I'm going to tell you to your face this time. He posted an article, without offering an opinion on the article. It is an article that is no more or less critical than numerous other articles posted on this subject in the last four days. It is legitimate DU posting behavior and I don't really care how many rec's you've gotten for this comment, it's not acceptable.

Fa-q to the Trump trolls pushing this.

There's no reason to think that.

CBS is an important news source. I don't like living in a bubble and prefer to form opinions after hearing from all angles.

were important the voters would know what kind of economy we really have.

they sacked Dan Rather. I don’t believe they’ve. Grown the spine they had when Walter Cronkite was still on the air.

For the fact these supposed news stations lean stories the way the billionaire who owns them wants it to go. If the news really did their job they should have yelled at the top of their lungs when tfg was indicted let alone convicted for him to step down. So now they are hollering for Biden to step down because of a sore throat and laryngitis? WTF

Biden and trump have exceeded the number of pledged delegates on the first round, and the race is between those candidates, not any speculation that it could be someone else.

The only question that is relevant is who would you vote for between Biden and trump. Everything else is bullshit, because these are who the candidates will be, not someone's ideal choice.

The fact is issues have not changed, and the differences between the candidates on those issues have not changed.

representative of all voters. There are many factors that can skew a poll. What makes this poll doubtful to me is the amount of grass roots donations that Biden received after the debate.

So I am discounting this poll as useless.

Are slanted towards the result that is wanted.

59 percent of voters think the best economy in history is poor.

Either the media has failed to do its job, or it is doing EXACTLY what it is paid to do.

But a country that critically misinformed is in worse shape than I thought.

That was true before the debate and seems even worse now. Our media is very slanted, to be sure, but it's not ENTIRELY their fault.

I am certainly voting for Biden if he's our candidate, and just as before I will tell everybody I meet, family, friends, and strangers, that trump is not only a piece of shit but proved himself to be a shitty president. But I have major worries right now.

Try to tell that to people who can't afford anything right now. This is an issue that the democrats need to fix. This same thing occurred under Bush jr. The stock market really doesn't do any good for the majority of people. Creating "jobs" ,not really, The pay for workers needs to be increased. Caps on profits needs to be looked at, there is a point where this is fraud and stealing. They use to put price freezes in place. Reagan's law that change CEOs pay needs to be removed. The laws that Bush put in place that undid the laws that protected people from another depression needs to be undone. It's work that I know the democrats can do, we did it before.

so that Biden can accomplish even more than he already has in his first term.

Biden has done very well when we consider what he's up against in Congress. Give him a Dem Congress and the sky is the limit.

but a lot of people haven't done that well in this economy.

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People who think Biden should drop out do not think that because they believe he's the worst candidate of all time. They think that because they know DRUMPF is the worst candidate of all time and if they believe replacing Biden increases the odds of drumpf losing from 51% to 52%, it is a risk worth taking to save the country from the drumpf.

THAT IS THE STORY they aren't reporting!!!!!!!!!!!

not Biden, but the fact the gop has once again put up the worst candidate in history and somehow that is the DEMOCRATS fault and the DEMOCRATS responsibility to fix!!!!!!!!!!

the number needed to clinch the nomination on the first round.

That is a fact, and another fact is that this election is between Biden and trump. That is not going to change, no matter how the press wants to manipulate the talking points.

Another fact is the actual issues have not changed, nor have the differences on those issues between the two candidates. The American public knows this, and this election will be based on the issues, or at least it should be.

will win.

The question to ask is simple, who will you vote for, Biden or trump. Any other inference is bullshit.

No. Just no.

We need correct data.

(checks notes) Fact checkers


✌🏻

We have a crisis and we need to face it with legit data.

Please stop the handwringing. It is pointless. Biden kicked ass in the rally the next day. He has GOVERNED well.

The gaslighting needs to STOP. Biden is the nominee, and Trump is a pathological liar, malignant narcissist, and
convicted felon.

Forget about the stupid debate. IT DOES NOT MATTER. If debates mattered then Reagan, WBush, and Obama all would have lost and Hillary Clinton would have won. Enough please.

You would do better to stick to facts and legitimate arguments.

FACT: Debates have ZERO predictive value on the outcome of presidential elections as PROVEN by history over, and over, and over again. If they mattered then we would have had President Mondale, President Kerry, President Romney, and President Hillary Clinton who all won debates but lost the election in November.

FACT: It is GOVERNING that matters, at the end of the day, to voters. NOT debates. Overall Biden has GOVERNED very well.
Jobs way UP. Year over year inflation way DOWN. Wages UP. Crime DOWN. Infrastructure bill. Chips bill. Etc. Etc.

Forget polls. Forget pundits. Forget talking heads. It is the BIG PICTURE OF GOVERNING THAT MATTERS. Not one debate.

that Biden received after the debate.

Require FACTCHECKING for CNN poles specifically.
Oh!!!!!………. Right, I forgot.
End trump, any his “ISM”. It’s all a deadly cancer spreading faster than Noah Lyles runs 100’s and 200’s. And ALL those amazing female runners. We are stacked.
Let’s Go USA Olympians. Show the world, that our media and Trump are NOT what represents the majority. I am ready to see our Flag and Red White Blue attire being worn proudly by real Patriots,
NOT at Amerikkkan KKKlan Jamborees, rage cheering on the biggest traitor in Our history.
And Get a Clue France, Don’t let far right rep you.

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IGNORE.

He posts many informative articles - in fact he is one of my top sources of info on DU. Letting this post make up your mind is a bit like letting one poor debate make up your mind about Biden.

Influencers pumping the “Dump Biden” campaign. I don’t believe that they’re doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, for patriotism, or just to inform the public.

I’ve come to suspect something more sinister: protecting their profit and influence. The reason that they’re dissing Joe and saying nothing about just-three-years-younger Donald John is because they have information we’re not privy to, something that would adversely affect their bottom line. I believe that they know something about Donald John’s health, either his mental faculties or the health of the rest of his body that they don’t want to share. I believe they are aware that somewhere between now and late October, Donald John’s brain will stroke out, that something will clog in his circulatory system, or that he’s really losing it like Ronald Reagan did late in his second term.
They are afraid that Donald John’s previous behavior takes him down, there goes the horse race, there goes the suspense, and there goes the profits that a tight race would bring them.

Corporate media finds Democratic Disarray and horse race newscasts more profitable than Joe Biden crossing the finish line.

They are competing ferociously for viewers right now by stoking emotions.

poll has a built in bias

Sadly this forum doesn't represent to party as a whole. It exists as a safe space, which is fine, but it wont win elections.

I'm done with this sight until after the convention. Don't need the cloying knee jerk chicken shit.

A press conference or two would be great-- the sooner the better. Joe needs to be healthy so he can show off his ability.
Maybe even an interview or 2 with a conservative news source would be useful-- so Joe can knock them down in real time.

His debate performance was no worse than Reagan's first debate against Mondale, and Reagan won that election in a landslide. The key is the successful comeback and now expectations will be very low. But Joe really needs to get out there and prevent the debate from echoing in the media.

And this needs to be done now , otherwise I don’t know how we get out of this mess I am really worried for the country. We simply can’t have that Orange sub human back in office

Not sure the point.

The media is inundated with crap about Joe needing to get out in order to save our country from fascism. What are people supposed to think? And we have people like Carville and Steve Schmidt leading the chorus. So now it is up to us to change that narrative.

He is partly the reason why America is in the state it's in now. Now all the Bush-era "anti-Trump" pundits are going to go back to their roots and throw the Dem nominee under the bus…

Then again, other people can be forgiven for being skeptical about what criteria were used to select those "many people" to give their opinions.

The point of what we are doing on DU is to win in November. If our candidate is not able to win, for whatever reason, we need to know now, not November 6.

PS: Should Trump get in, we might never again have a chance to vote for a good President like Joseph R. Biden, Jr.

The point exactly. This is about saving our democracy.

As far as polls and politics: every Democrat I know here in Detroit who expressed an opinion was concerned after Thursday.

Running at his age would be too physically demanding.

If that's real, we are very lucky there isn't a strong third party candidate for everyone to roll over to. That being said, we have the be realistic about our chances under various scenarios.

What polls did we see after Trump incited an attempted coup and a riot in our Capitol?

What poll did we see after Trump was charged with stealing top secret documents and hiding them from the FBI?

What media organization ever said that he should step down and not run after he committed all those crimes, or even after he was a convicted felon?

Nothing was too far for the media not to ignore.

But, let Biden screw up one time, and you would think that it was a thousand times worse than anything Trump ever did?

A little odd, don't you think?

after being found guilty of 34 felonies.

We have to stay unified. However it gets fone vote blue