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Can we fucking get back to campaigning against Trump, and not our own party's presumptive nominee (Original Post) bigtree Jun 2024 OP
For me.... FarPoint Jun 2024 #1
Nothing changed for me. But if I ever wanted to kick a True Blue American Jun 2024 #12
if he died on election eve, barbtries Jun 2024 #24
I like to check in on Huffpost, but they are savaging Biden over there. hadEnuf Jun 2024 #33
I can't watch Ari anymore Dawgman49 Jun 2024 #37
Here is my response the Friday morning after the debate and i'm sticking to it !!!! usaf-vet Jun 2024 #40
The debate "performance" was a disappointment, but I haven't lost any enthusiasm for or belief in a Biden 2nd term. liberalla Jun 2024 #13
Lets not give CNN a pass by saying they johnnyfins Jun 2024 #39
Please Timewas Jun 2024 #2
+1000 wnylib Jun 2024 #3
That's a lot to ask. But I bet this shit blows over soon and we see some hard data and the pundits emulatorloo Jun 2024 #4
I thought Biden's numbers looked good after the debate. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #7
Indeed they did, but DU seems to be ignoring that data in favor of hyperbolic nonsense from pundits emulatorloo Jun 2024 #9
Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #27
He gained a few points in poll averages per 538 paleotn Jun 2024 #30
This was good news. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #31
Thank you. Think. Again. Jun 2024 #5
Extremely annoying! liberalla Jun 2024 #8
It is almost entirely the pundit and publishing class who are campaigning against our candidate, DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #6
As L O'Donnell put it, "We live in a country where most commentators declared the liar the debate winner emulatorloo Jun 2024 #10
It's cause he lies loudly. LisaL Jun 2024 #11
That is an excellent rebuttal to all the pundits who are trying to elect traitortrump. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #22
Right? edisdead Jun 2024 #14
K&R UTUSN Jun 2024 #15
Unfortunately, the "should he/shouldn't he" question will dominate our attention Fiendish Thingy Jun 2024 #16
our political reality isn't just determined by what we fear bigtree Jun 2024 #17
Indeed. Fiendish Thingy Jun 2024 #18
Bravo! peggysue2 Jun 2024 #20
Most media is corporate controlled lees1975 Jun 2024 #36
Standing Ovation from Mr. and Mrs. Peacetrain!!!!! Peacetrain Jun 2024 #19
Thank you! mcar Jun 2024 #21
Right Biden is our best choice IbogaProject Jun 2024 #23
All of the overly hormonal pundits need to grab their smelling salts dlk Jun 2024 #25
Yes! hermetic Jun 2024 #26
Agreed BannonsLiver Jun 2024 #28
I wish I could rec a million times. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #29
Exactly. Don't let the "Oooo! Shiny!" national media manipulate us. paleotn Jun 2024 #32
I agree. It's our PTSD rearing it's ugly head back to Garland nomination to the SC being held up, then Hillary's Pepsidog Jun 2024 #34
Yes, please. lees1975 Jun 2024 #35
Fuckin' A right. Time to register voters and GOTV. ZonkerHarris Jun 2024 #38

FarPoint

(13,787 posts)
1. For me....
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 11:21 AM
Jun 2024

I never blinked or hesitated that Biden is going to win a second term Presidency in November.... SHAME on CNN as they failed miserably as a debate format.... No debate happened...just an ongoing 2 minute rants of tRump stump speech lies wherein he never addressed the question under fact checking...

CNN failed. Never let them host a debater again..... Biden offered facts in reality....Biden won the debate based upon what he said....not how he said it.

True Blue American

(18,325 posts)
12. Nothing changed for me. But if I ever wanted to kick a
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 11:30 AM
Jun 2024

Pundit, you know where it was Ari Melber Friday night. I have never seen such blatant hysteria coming out of his mouth.
Not one word about how Trump lied, called names for the whole hour and a half. I had to turn him off. Never again, Ari will I ever watch you..
As one person said,” I would vote for Biden if he was on his death bed.

hadEnuf

(2,905 posts)
33. I like to check in on Huffpost, but they are savaging Biden over there.
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 01:18 PM
Jun 2024

They can kiss my ass.

Dawgman49

(258 posts)
37. I can't watch Ari anymore
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 01:53 PM
Jun 2024

He’s like a real life tabloid who thinks he’s a hip hop master…too much ego

liberalla

(10,189 posts)
13. The debate "performance" was a disappointment, but I haven't lost any enthusiasm for or belief in a Biden 2nd term.
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 11:38 AM
Jun 2024

That supposed "debate" was a sorry demonstration of how to muck it up badly. I'm talking to you - CNN!

johnnyfins

(1,610 posts)
39. Lets not give CNN a pass by saying they
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 02:14 PM
Jun 2024

Failed. Do a test for the next couple weeks. Check cnn.com top headlines each day. They are full-on carrying water for tsf. Its a joke.

Timewas

(2,362 posts)
2. Please
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 11:21 AM
Jun 2024

Keep on with the complaining about Biden and you will have t-rump in the office in Jan. It is just playing right into their hands

emulatorloo

(45,709 posts)
4. That's a lot to ask. But I bet this shit blows over soon and we see some hard data and the pundits
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 11:22 AM
Jun 2024

sober up and get back to reality.

Plus Trump’s sentencing hearing will be here on July 11th.

Irish_Dem

(62,129 posts)
7. I thought Biden's numbers looked good after the debate.
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 11:24 AM
Jun 2024

I thought he did not lose that much support.

emulatorloo

(45,709 posts)
9. Indeed they did, but DU seems to be ignoring that data in favor of hyperbolic nonsense from pundits
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 11:26 AM
Jun 2024

who make money from spouting hyperbolic nonsense (for ratings and clicks)



Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #7)

paleotn

(19,816 posts)
30. He gained a few points in poll averages per 538
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 01:03 PM
Jun 2024

Not statistically significant, so worst case he didn't move and neither did the orange dumbass.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
6. It is almost entirely the pundit and publishing class who are campaigning against our candidate,
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 11:24 AM
Jun 2024

most of whom never ran for or were elected to anything, and frankly who do NOT HAVE A VOTE OR VETO on whether President Biden will be our nominee.

They are entitled to their "concern", but frankly they should show a little more "concern" about the fact that the Republican party is about to nominate a convicted felon, rapist, pathological serial liar and a man who has promised to be "a dictator on day one", and 'cancel the Constitution' whenever it suits him, ANY ONE of those things which in the latter 20th century would have brought instant and nearly universal calls for HIM to withdraw from the race---

and practically none of them have done that.... so what happened to their "bothsiderism" on THIS issue?

They seem to have forgotten it in their rush to join the feeding frenzy.

emulatorloo

(45,709 posts)
10. As L O'Donnell put it, "We live in a country where most commentators declared the liar the debate winner
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 11:27 AM
Jun 2024
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Fiendish Thingy

(19,023 posts)
16. Unfortunately, the "should he/shouldn't he" question will dominate our attention
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 11:46 AM
Jun 2024

The question will dominate until at least tomorrow, when SCOTUS releases the immunity ruling, and may yet still continue until Trump is sentenced on July 11, or until Biden announces a firm final decision on the question.

The media feeding frenzy won’t help either. My sense is it will continue to dominate the news, and DU’s attention unless/until:
1) Biden announces he is withdrawing as the nominee, which will touch off a “who’s next?” Frenzy
2) Trump is sentenced to prison time on July 11
3) a major natural disaster/terrorist attack hits the US

It’s distressing, and the media’s complicity is despicable, but that is the reality of the situation.

bigtree

(90,531 posts)
17. our political reality isn't just determined by what we fear
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 11:55 AM
Jun 2024

...but how we respond to those fears.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,023 posts)
18. Indeed.
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 12:10 PM
Jun 2024

The media, led by the NYT, is in full on FUD mode (fear, uncertainty, doubt), just as they were with “but her emails”.

There are tough realities that we must face, but the meaning we give to those realities should be of our choosing, not the media’s.

peggysue2

(11,554 posts)
20. Bravo!
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 12:24 PM
Jun 2024

The day after the debate Joe Biden was right back on the campaign trail with his Scranton Joe demeanor, knocked down a peg but GETTING BACK UP.

Be a Joe Biden.

We have a Republic to save and a candidate who does NOT give up. The man has had our back throughout his tenure. Now it's time that we have his back, hold the line and push forward.

lees1975

(6,201 posts)
36. Most media is corporate controlled
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 01:31 PM
Jun 2024

and they are hell bend on getting Trump back in. That's what we're fighting against.

Notice that the experienced, popular, well spoken Democrats, in the form of Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Gavin Newsome, and a whole lot of others, are self-controlled, not calling for Biden to step down and holding things together. Why don't we listen to them instead of this news media garbage they've been spouting since the first time Biden ran.

Peacetrain

(23,696 posts)
19. Standing Ovation from Mr. and Mrs. Peacetrain!!!!!
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 12:16 PM
Jun 2024


I am just up to my eyebrows with the whiners about how President Biden did not meet their expectations of a debate.

They are going to whine us right into another 4 years of the Trump gang.. And I have looked, and the same people who are hyperventilating about Bidens debate (Jesus bigtree I just can't believe this) pretty much were not in Bidens corner 4 years ago.. just saying

IbogaProject

(3,978 posts)
23. Right Biden is our best choice
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 12:40 PM
Jun 2024

Even if he is as they say, this term is lightyears better than the last one. And inflation is caused by the wealthy keeping their own profits at record levels. Inflation is the result of decades of regressive policies. Joe's team can run our country off Biden's notebook better than T45 ever could.

dlk

(12,527 posts)
25. All of the overly hormonal pundits need to grab their smelling salts
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 12:47 PM
Jun 2024

Then, they need to review Project 2025, as a reminder of what’s at stake and, get back to work. There’s an election to be won. Enough of the trauma drama.

paleotn

(19,816 posts)
32. Exactly. Don't let the "Oooo! Shiny!" national media manipulate us.
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 01:12 PM
Jun 2024

In the grand scheme, Thursday night was meaningless. And what passes for journalism these days will, in short order, be off belaboring something else that's equally meaningless. To think, people get paid big bucks for such bullshit. Borrowing a line from Don Henley, ignore the "bubble headed bleach blonde who comes on at 5."

Pepsidog

(6,325 posts)
34. I agree. It's our PTSD rearing it's ugly head back to Garland nomination to the SC being held up, then Hillary's
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 01:22 PM
Jun 2024

election loss, Ginsburg’s death, and a 6-3 SCOTUS, then the Dobbs decision, seems nothing comes easy to Dems. The shock of Biden’s initial debate performance brought back all those gut wrenching feelings. While I felt gut punched, I never showed it and never wavered on Biden. But alls good. I pray for a Republican wipe out so we can start fighting back at SCOTUS.

lees1975

(6,201 posts)
35. Yes, please.
Sun Jun 30, 2024, 01:28 PM
Jun 2024

We are the ones giving the Republicans all the critical comments they need. They don't have to make them up or quote Republicans, they can quote Democrats.

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2024/06/joe-biden-is-81-years-old-and-that.html

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