At this point, I’ve about had it with all the secrecy and innuendo. We deserve a full explanation of what’s going on and why.

And it would be best if it came from one particular person.

So they can all write their OPeds to NYT, and he still doesn't have to step down.

Its time

So, no.

He's the President of the United States, and he has most of the Democratic Party delegates going into the convention.

No one in the party can dictate terms to him. He holds all the cards, and he can dictate terms to them.

He is in a position to exert a great deal of influence regarding who replaces him and/or how his replacement is selected. So I think the fears of it being someone like Joe Manchin are somewhat unfounded, because Biden wouldn't let them do that.

He could probably manipulate those levers to very good ends, especially if he no longer had to concern himself with trying to please oligarchs.

Per recent SCOTUS precedent.

If indeed Biden steps down from his candidacy, there better be some incredibly brilliant plan in place.
I just don't see how all these high level Democrats would not.

For those paying attention.

Biden doesn't have to listen to any of them. They can't do anything to keep him off the ballot unless he steps down.
So if he doesn't step down he is on the ballot.

would be happening now? I'd say they are the opposite of brilliant planners, trying to force an incumbent president to drop out after he won the primaries.

I don't get it. And I'm really really angry about it.

It doesn't seem that there's much more we can do.
Is there?
Do you think writing letters and making phone calls will do any more than telling ourselves that at least we tried?

I think that we all need a very clear answer as the reason for this - It can't just be one off night.
That makes no sense at all.

But they're devious, ruthless and rich and they have threatened to withhold the money required to run the campaign. To what end, though? I have no fucking clue. All I know is that it feels like a coup.

it is so very undemocratic. Are we the new and improved XYZ Party? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot !!

because I don't know what that means.

Easy to break everything, hard to make it.

Because I haven't seen it. I saw his campaign guy saying he's still in.

But anonymous sources, aides, insiders, and pundits....blah blah blah.

I'm assuming he's our nominee, no matter how much the tech bros and other rich guys whine and scream "DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM?", all because they want to have more than one vote each.

We voted in our primaries for him, he has the delegates. WE chose him.

And he has said numerous times he is not quitting.
But it's not like he can go give a conference right now because of covid.

He announced that back around July 7th, along with a letter to congressional Democrats!

JUST IN: 🔥 “Our campaign is not working through any scenarios in which President Biden is not at the top of the ticket,” said Quentin Fulks, Biden’s deputy campaign manager. “He is going to be the Democratic nominee.”

Bigtree just posted that a few minutes ago:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219182492

by all the senior Dems and lifelong friends.

This is just reality, whether we like it or not.

Anyhow, they wouldn't be able to keep pressuring him after he is officially nominated.

And it would be madness to change the candidate in the middle of July. It is like many Democrats in congress want to lose.

If a few senior democrats, here and there, in this continued pop up campaign keep pulling this crap, they, not Biden, will be responsible for the election loss.

The reality, whether we like it or not, is that the Democrats had a chance to replace him, through the primaries, and for whatever reason, didn't. So either live with what you have, or sit down and be quiet and help make sure Trump loses, or go join him if you think that will make you better off, though that's a good way to convince your former friends and supporters you were a duplicitous liar.

Biden's the nominee and we either go with it or get ready for the dictator to take over.

It is being made by senior members of our party.

Like it or not.

I think explanations will be forthcoming shortly.

though I do expect some bullshit "reasons" might be given.

Answer up. Do you actually know anything or did you just stay at a holiday inn express?

This is some 5th grader at the dance drama I think.

the TOS don't apply to certain individuals around here.

That's what he's counting on, I would guess.

Jaime Harrison is totally in, and I'm with him 100%!

This cannot go on and Biden knows it.

I'm so mad I could throw something.

But it is what it is.

I am hoping they will tell us what is going on.
And why they are doing this.

If they have compelling information, it is time to disclose it.

With friends like that...

Never has this been more apparent.

I mean when Pelosi and Schiff did not support Joe, the answer was not that Pelosi and Schiff are traitorous scumbags all of a sudden. Something they knew was happening, they are two fine patriots who wouldn't be doing this for a poor debate. I also do not think they are doing this for bad polling but that is possible.

You can use anything I write.

Yes of course you are correct.

There is no way Pelosi, Schumer and Schiff all go to the dark side at the same time.
Something is happening behind the scenes.
And yes it is not just about poll numbers.

because we have to try to defeat Trump (which of course the replace Biden donors are going to make it harder to do, since they have no fucking clue)

However I am not going to forget this betrayal. I am hoping we can figure out a way to hit these donors in the pocketbook after the election.

If Biden gets thrown off the ticket by these "big donors", who evidently have more sway with our elected officials than the base does, then we will lose to the trump humpers. This will be on those who called for Biden to step down.

We will make a list, and we will hold those people to account. We will likely never have another election in this country, so that won't be how we hold them to account, so we will have to think of something that will be relevant to the "new" America.

They do not care what we think.

stupid, but I'm still holding out hope.

I don't want to face what is really happening behind the scenes.

Just more noise.

I call it like I see it whether I like it or not.

I agree it is heartbreaking.

But this is where we are at.

think you know how badly some of us want to be wrong right now.
I'd eat a lot of hats if that's what it took to make this turn out to be a bad nightmare.

Anyway, nothing personal. Just getting riled up.

And I know that I don't know. Anything could happen and
the outcome is far from certain.

But I can't see Biden backing off of his brand as a fighter.

his own party? People who are his longtime friends?

Believe me, I know Joe is a fighter.
But he cannot change reality.

He has the votes. HE doesn’t have to, nor should he dance to the donors tune.

It cannot go on like this.

You KNOW nothing.

You may FEEL something.

It's like we are watching Fox news 24/7

Bunch of gawd damn liars

don't match the actual story. There's a whole lot of "implied" and anonymous sources. The MSM is pushing this story hard and often very deceptively.

Always anon sources say

that we can't wake up from.

But it is what it is.

At some point we have to face reality.

But Biden cannot keep being attacked by his own senior party members.
Something has to give.
And it doesn't look like they are going to stop.

It cannot continue.

I just told someone Biden dropped out bc of this post

by all the senior Dems who are lifelong friends?

This cannot continue.

Something has to give.

They have to give this up, Joe is our candidate.

In fact they double down by bringing in more and more senior members of congress.

It cannot go on like this.

not he is our candidate and they'll eventually will have to get behind him and unite the party.

Oh I know….

“I hope it doesn’t happen but we must face reality”.

Based on information they are not sharing with us.

Like it or not.

He has the votes. Unless they are going to 14th him or something he has the votes.

I thought it could have stopped after TFG's incident. But the fact that it came up again means they are not going to let it go until Biden drops out.

NT

100% clear that is what's happening.

have to be paid attention to, but have Schiff, Raskin, Pelosi, Schumer et al taken into consideration the effect this will have on the morale of the rank and file? Yes they will vote blue for whatever puppet the billionaires put in place, but are they going to get out there with the same energy and try to urge the undecideds and unengaged to vote? And how about those fence riders? They are going to see the Democratic Party as: in disarray; and comprised of people who can't be trusted to have the backs of their own (unlike the Republicans). Plus, they don't appear to understand understand how this move - done so publicly - compromises our messaging and actually reinforces the message that the Republicans were right all along about Joe. Have they not calculated the downside to all of this? If you are not already a "vote blue no matter who" person, why would you believe anything coming from the new candidate when they are not the one chosen by the people in the primary?

they could end up with people not turning up to vote in November. This is political suicide.

KHive represent!

…up to and until he won the presidency.

If Trump can tell his fellow party members to fuck off, while immediately going off and winning the presidency; so can Biden. At the end of the day it’s about the delegates -and what Biden wants.

Not what random congress members with an opinion like anybody else, want.

Biden ain't going nowhere

THAT'S THE DONE DEAL

god dammit

by all the senior Dems who have been friends with him most of his life?

Something has to give.

This cannot go on.

Vast personal knowledge?

Such as it is.

Has done to help get Biden elected?

All this crap comes from third hand and anonymous sources and PEOPLE FALL FOR IT!

Let's be reality based human beings, ok?

It wouldn't surprise me if all this noise was coming from Russian and Republican Botts. I don't believe anything from anonymous sources and neither should you.

Biden has had the most accomplished Presidency in my life time. He deserves to get re-elected. And he will get re-elected if we quit whining and get busy and commit to make sure he gets elected.

Think for just a moment, if he quits I don't think anyone else could get on the ballot in all 50 states.
Remember that horrible feeling you had when The Orange Menace became President? We can prevent that if we band together, quit tearing down our President and get out the vote.

Please channel your energy into action!

End of Rant.


End of story

Whether I like the reality or not.

People here doubted that he said it on Wednesday. Yesterday he admitted it.

They are slowly rolling out bad news.

Once Schumer came out, it was a sign that it had already ended.

And now Raskin.

It is over, yes.
Like it or not.

You had better be here to eat every last damn bit of crow that you are setting yourself up for. And I mean licking the plate clean.

But the data points in one direction right now.

BTW making an argument personal and gratuitous is a sign of a weak argument.
Better to stick to facts and logic.

I just can’t imagine all of these big names would come out without them knowing the outcome.

Link to tweet

My opinion.

Joe cannot keep being relentlessly attacked by senior members of his own party.

Even LBJ and Nixon knew when it was over.

Link to tweet

And continue to leak damaging information week after week?

Relentlessly pursue the topic in a damaging way?

Otherwise this is just hogwash and self serving.

What could be my possible motive?

A life long Dem starting when JFK ran against Nixon.
A political junkie most of my life.

An ardent fan of Joe Biden.
Whose family lives in a town just down the road from my family in Ireland.

I am not like rich billionaires, and high level politicians with all kinds of motives.

Just reporting the facts as I see it.
Whether I like it or not.

Insulting me will not stop reality.

When if and buts are candy and nuts, we'll all have a merry christmas.

Some of us can’t.