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Nevilledog

(53,157 posts)
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:06 PM Jul 2024

Jessica Valenti - This is How They Kill Us: The rise of post-Roe c-sections

https://jessica.substack.com/p/this-is-how-they-kill-us

Trigger warning for discussion of traumatic medical procedures

I remember the feeling of hands inside me. Pulling, tugging, moving things aside. My emergency c-section wasn’t painful, but that feeling of being invaded was somehow worse than physical hurt. For years, the thought of the surgery would send me into a PTSD panic, my knees literally buckling and vomit coming up the back of my throat. In my memory, my arms are tied down while I’m being cut—but I know that’s not true. It’s just my brain’s way of making the powerlessness of the moment seem tangible.

Because I was so early in my pregnancy, just 28 weeks along, doctors had to cut me both horizontally and vertically, making it life-threatening for me to have a vaginal birth in the future and increasing my risk for uterine rupture. I didn’t know it then, but I would never have another child.

So when I see anti-abortion groups blithely suggesting that women with life-threatening pregnancies should be forced into c-sections rather than easier, safer, and less traumatic abortions—it feels personal. Because I chose my medical nightmare; it was necessary to save both my life and my daughter’s. I can’t imagine the horror of going through such a thing unnecessarily, or at 16 weeks pregnant instead of 28. What if my tied-down arms weren’t a post-traumatic illusion, but a legal reality?

For nearly a year, I’ve been tracking this growing strategy: Some of the most powerful anti-abortion organizations in the country are using carefully-worded legislation and seemingly-credible clinical recommendations to codify medical atrocities—pushing doctors to force pregnant women into unnecessary labor and c-sections, even before fetal viability and sometimes even when a fetus has died.

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Jessica Valenti - This is How They Kill Us: The rise of post-Roe c-sections (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2024 OP
Could you add a subject warning? KentuckyWoman Jul 2024 #1
I will. Nevilledog Jul 2024 #2
I knew a young woman, pregnant with her first child, whose no_hypocrisy Jul 2024 #3
I know some view it as a lesser part of the issue, but the medical debt being forced on women & their families CrispyQ Jul 2024 #5
Evidently there is data to indicate that C-section births Old Crank Jul 2024 #4
Wow. I'd like to see that data. CrispyQ Jul 2024 #6
Haven't found a direct comparison yet Old Crank Jul 2024 #9
Have not found the article with the statement. Old Crank Jul 2024 #10
K&R Solly Mack Jul 2024 #7
The thought of a forced abdominal surgery is beyond horrific--deadly too given the massive release of epinephrine hlthe2b Jul 2024 #8

KentuckyWoman

(6,853 posts)
1. Could you add a subject warning?
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:10 PM
Jul 2024

It is a good post. I read it all. But it did trigger. I won't likely be the only one.

Very good post.

no_hypocrisy

(48,575 posts)
3. I knew a young woman, pregnant with her first child, whose
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:11 PM
Jul 2024

doctor was pressuring her while in labor to have a C-Section for three reasons:

1. More money in billing for surgical versus natural childbirth;
2. Less time in the Delivery Room for the doctor; and
3. He had to catch a plane for his Florida vacation in three hours.

And despite her contractions, this woman jumped off the delivery table and ran for the doors. She successfully delivered (naturally) a healthy daughter with another obstetrician in the hospital.

CrispyQ

(38,050 posts)
5. I know some view it as a lesser part of the issue, but the medical debt being forced on women & their families
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:21 PM
Jul 2024

by forcing them into extreme health circumstances is never talked about in the news. How many tens of thousands of dollars of debt (hundreds of thousands?) are women & families now carrying because of draconian abortion laws? How does that affect the woman's future or the children she already has? Oh wait, they're already born so they don't count.

Old Crank

(4,537 posts)
4. Evidently there is data to indicate that C-section births
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:18 PM
Jul 2024

Are actually cheaper to do than vaginal births. But they charge more. Generating more profit.

CrispyQ

(38,050 posts)
6. Wow. I'd like to see that data.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:24 PM
Jul 2024

It just doesn't seem possible that given a typical vaginal birth that major abdominal surgery wouldn't cost a ton more. ???

Old Crank

(4,537 posts)
10. Have not found the article with the statement.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 02:49 PM
Jul 2024

But this is interesting. Hospitals with higher profit margins preform more c-section births.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7980096/

hlthe2b

(105,925 posts)
8. The thought of a forced abdominal surgery is beyond horrific--deadly too given the massive release of epinephrine
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:50 PM
Jul 2024

and other stress hormones in a physiological response of "fight or flight"... On top of pregnancy, this makes even the most cautious anesthetic plan (and it will not be, given the perceived "emergency" and CONTROL-based nature) far more deadly. And that doesn't even take into account ongoing complications like hypercoagulability (pregnancy-induced blood clot formation), sepsis, serious electrolyte imbalances, and more.

This is potential murder-- if it is not necessary to save the LIFE OF THE MOTHER (and fetus, if possible, but the Mother is the living being whose life should get priority).

I don't know how the family of any woman who dies in these forced, unnecessary, politically-driven scenarios would not snap and become violent toward whomever they deem at fault. Perhaps politicos might give THAT some consideration because I would not hesitate to show my sympathy if called to almost any jury in that scenario.


**My post response is not referring to a typical discussion of whether C-section is warranted in which typical situation--the debates which we've had for decades-- but rather the extremes if they are now pushed as REQUIRED in those circumstances where intentional miscarriage or abortion is suspected as a risk. I see that most posts on this thread are viewing it as the far more benign debate. I do not**

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