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Celerity

(46,154 posts)
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 06:50 AM Jul 24

A wall of American MAGAt female gammon from a Wisconsin Trumper focus group

spitting pure hate against Harris (including multiple assholes who said or agreed she has done nothing in her life, ignoring her being the CA AG, a US Senator, and now VP).

The biggest fool was a school teacher who said Harris would destroy the education system and Trump would protect it.



Pro tip: Project 2025 calls for the end of the Dept of Education and an explosion in private school vouchers, plus mandated christofash, white nationalist-adjacent curriculum.




Gammon is a pejorative popularised in British political culture since around 2012. The term refers in particular to the colour of a person's flushed face when expressing their strong opinions, as compared to the type of pork of the same name. It is characterised in this context by the Oxford English Dictionary as occurring "in various parasynthetic adjectives referring to particularly reddish or florid complexions". In 2018, it became particularly known as a term to describe either those on the political right or those who supported Brexit.


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A wall of American MAGAt female gammon from a Wisconsin Trumper focus group (Original Post) Celerity Jul 24 OP
And yet, the MSM keeps giving them a national platform to spew their nonsense Raven123 Jul 24 #1
Diner or GTFO! hatrack Jul 24 #2
Is it Rebl2 Jul 24 #33
I deffo think that is some of it Celerity Jul 24 #49
Well, they certainly look like an inspirational group. Scrivener7 Jul 24 #3
They seem nice. Hugin Jul 24 #20
Dontcha just want to have a beer with them? Sky Jewels Jul 24 #28
They just light up the room, don't they? Scrivener7 Jul 24 #39
I want no part in this particular slumber party. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 24 #79
Gawd. . . Don't they? BigDemVoter Jul 24 #66
Whatever happens, hopefully politicians will start malaise Jul 24 #4
Hypnotized and brainwashed to worship evil mucifer Jul 24 #5
They convinced me BoRaGard Jul 24 #6
When I watched that this morning, I was imagining what kind of comments their lord and savior Vinca Jul 24 #7
He'd be dragging them XanaDUer2 Jul 24 #18
Women like this listen to what their husbands tell them. mucholderthandirt Jul 24 #8
How many of the women were married? Kaleva Jul 24 #35
You give them too much credit Dem4life1234 Jul 24 #55
Or they too are assholes uponit7771 Jul 24 #60
I saw that XanaDUer2 Jul 24 #9
and they think they are the master race, which is just bonkers AF Celerity Jul 24 #10
I hate judging by looks XanaDUer2 Jul 24 #11
they were 3 of the worst of the 7 in terms of RW spew Celerity Jul 24 #12
Was the one on the right the teacher? XanaDUer2 Jul 24 #14
pretty sure it was her or the one to her left Celerity Jul 24 #17
just saw a snippet again, this was the asshat teacher: Celerity Jul 24 #48
The only women they would vote for would be MTG or Kari Lake Bookreadingliberal53 Jul 24 #19
I am ashamed to say that I was counting the # of obese women instead of listening to riversedge Jul 24 #21
Shortens their lives, too. haele Jul 24 #62
You are most likely right. I imagine their doctors will agree with you also. riversedge Jul 24 #67
I believe it was the same women who then said she did not know much or anything about Harris riversedge Jul 24 #23
It's one thing to be older, overweight and gray. It's another to be slobby. Scrivener7 Jul 24 #40
In pain XanaDUer2 Jul 24 #41
Do you have a follow up? debm55 Jul 24 #58
I do on 8/8 XanaDUer2 Jul 24 #59
Those three might have been related Blaukraut Jul 24 #24
The Pizza Sisters Captain Zero Jul 24 #29
Not to be nasty towards my fellow females, but Jilly_in_VA Jul 24 #27
Every day we see hard evidence of the fallacy of the Master Race theory. Ocelot II Jul 24 #31
These people have grown up in a toxic food environment Prairie Gates Jul 24 #44
I started to watch it but couldn't finish because it was Tadpole Raisin Jul 24 #52
It was horribly fascinating nt XanaDUer2 Jul 24 #61
Part of it is jealousy Dem4life1234 Jul 24 #56
They said that?! soandso Jul 24 #69
Why is fat shaming acceptable here? AkFemDem Jul 24 #76
Wall of gammon, love it GusBob Jul 24 #13
DU is not only inspirational, it's educational. Love that about it. n/t dobleremolque Jul 24 #46
Why does NBC seem to think we care what Trump voters think of Harris? Self Esteem Jul 24 #15
listen to ALL americans. AllaN01Bear Jul 24 #16
We're gonna build a wall! NameAlreadyTaken Jul 24 #22
"Gammon!" Since my politically savvy vanlassie Jul 24 #25
Attacking a VERY successful non white woman like this is a sure fire way to win new voters to their cause. beaglelover Jul 24 #26
Aside from their nonsense, it showed how the question is phrased tulipsandroses Jul 24 #30
They already thought that Kaleva Jul 24 #36
Correct Cosmocat Jul 24 #50
Thanks for the great new word - "gammon." Ocelot II Jul 24 #32
LOL saw that on MJ earlier & it was hard to watch onetexan Jul 24 #34
I saw that this morning. Thought it was an Wegovy commercial. oldsoftie Jul 24 #37
Lol XanaDUer2 Jul 24 #43
AND, BEFORE being CA DA, etc., Kamala was the district attorney for San Francisco! raging moderate Jul 24 #38
Gammon is ham, pure and simple cyclonefence Jul 24 #42
Gammon has a distinct meaning in politics, orginated from the UK where I grew up. I even posted the background. Celerity Jul 24 #45
Learning alot today GusBob Jul 24 #47
Pig fat cyclonefence Jul 25 #81
Milwaukee Irish julmur Jul 24 #51
Criticism of their appearance doesn't elevate us -- or our values. Duncan Grant Jul 24 #53
Thank you Bettie Jul 24 #68
You're welcome. Duncan Grant Jul 24 #74
A bunch of ignorant pickmes Dem4life1234 Jul 24 #54
Has it ever occurred to them what their cult leader cheato senseandsensibility Jul 24 #57
I had a problem with the way Elise Jordan was asking questions Ghost of Tom Joad Jul 24 #63
Sorry to be shallow and superficial Dread Pirate Roberts Jul 24 #64
You know, from looking at them you can't tell anything about their views Bettie Jul 24 #65
My OP did not use the word 'fat' once. The only people who have used that word are people trying to inject it into Celerity Jul 24 #70
I replied to the main post because there were so many Bettie Jul 24 #71
all good Bettie, and I always love your posts Celerity Jul 24 #72
Thanks. Bettie Jul 24 #73
That poster left one out GusBob Jul 24 #78
Thank you. AkFemDem Jul 24 #77
America, the beautiful!! Hot Magat Mommas!! Nimble_Idea Jul 24 #75
I'm sick of those ignorant panels. ecstatic Jul 24 #80

Raven123

(5,800 posts)
1. And yet, the MSM keeps giving them a national platform to spew their nonsense
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 06:52 AM
Jul 24

I just can’t watch these “focus “ group interviews.

Rebl2

(14,285 posts)
33. Is it
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 11:12 AM
Jul 24

possible the media wants to show everyone how stupid some of these maga people are as well as what hypocrites they are.

Sky Jewels

(8,465 posts)
28. Dontcha just want to have a beer with them?
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 11:08 AM
Jul 24

Also, I want to have a slumber party with these gals so we can braid each others hair and play truth or dare and freeze someone's underwear as a prank.

malaise

(274,653 posts)
4. Whatever happens, hopefully politicians will start
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 07:07 AM
Jul 24

Listening to young people after this.

I agree - way too long is mild.

BoRaGard

(2,014 posts)
6. They convinced me
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 07:28 AM
Jul 24

That they are a sorry lot. They have not checked out Kamala at all for themselves, or they would not be spouting such shallow untruths. They have obviously just opened wide and swallowed the republicon-russian propaganda, without so much as a critical thought flitting through their minds. They are parroting what they have been programmed (Fox) to spew.

Sad.

Vinca

(50,698 posts)
7. When I watched that this morning, I was imagining what kind of comments their lord and savior
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 08:01 AM
Jul 24

would make about them if he happened to watch. Love to be a fly on that wall . . . recording it.

mucholderthandirt

(654 posts)
8. Women like this listen to what their husbands tell them.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 09:00 AM
Jul 24

They are not allowed their own opinions, their super religious spouses are the head of the house, they rule all. If they are told to hate, they hate. If they are told to shut up, they shut up.

I think women politicians need to seriously think about what happens to them if Trump is elected. The party line is women have no voice. They will be gone from politics, business, religious leadership.

I was married to a born-again Republican nut for far too long. At our very first election, he told me, in public, that I was going into the booth (still had the curtains and all the levers back then) and vote straight Republican. That sure got everybody's attention.

I turned to him and calmly said that I was not going to do so, I was going to vote for the people I wanted, which were Democrats. (I actually used some crude and hateful language that I won't repeat, but it included the phrases "free" and "over twenty-one". It was an awful thing, and it slipped out.) He wasn't the boss of me, and I wasn't going to be told what my conscience was.

That election was Ronald Reagan against Walter Mondale. I wasn't crazy about Mondale, but I knew Reagan was a total shit and wasn't getting my vote no matter what.

XanaDUer2

(12,614 posts)
11. I hate judging by looks
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 09:11 AM
Jul 24

In an older, over weight grey haired white woman... but I knew they were trumpers immediately...lol... they're worried Harris is galvinizing young voters...she is... saying she's an idiot who never accomplished anything? Wow

XanaDUer2

(12,614 posts)
14. Was the one on the right the teacher?
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 09:22 AM
Jul 24

The one who said Harris didn't do anything in her life... jaw dropping arrogance. Id say that if Harris was a white man. Just insulting and ridiculous as Hell.

19. The only women they would vote for would be MTG or Kari Lake
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 09:45 AM
Jul 24

I bet they’d be sitting out this election if Nikki Haley was the nominee instead of Trump.

riversedge

(71,919 posts)
21. I am ashamed to say that I was counting the # of obese women instead of listening to
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 09:57 AM
Jul 24

what they were saying ( I am guilty at I could easily drop 10 lbs!!). Anyway-the image just stuck me and I am sure it stuck others also. I am not a doc but obesity is Big problem for many of these women in this segment.

haele

(13,144 posts)
62. Shortens their lives, too.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 03:09 PM
Jul 24

Most will be dead in their mid-70's with complications from complications from diabetes, arthritis, and hypertension; mid 60's if the GOP has their way and prescription drugs (or access to a real doctor or other medical professionals) become pretty much unobtainable unless one is making 6 figures.

They don't realize that once they stop working, popping out kids, or being able to provide free in-home daycare for grandkids, they're pretty much a loss to the GOP's idea of "productivity".

And they are not wealthy enough to have earned the right to live in "retirement" in GOP world.

Haele

Scrivener7

(52,011 posts)
40. It's one thing to be older, overweight and gray. It's another to be slobby.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 11:40 AM
Jul 24

But, hey, how are you feeling??

XanaDUer2

(12,614 posts)
59. I do on 8/8
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 03:03 PM
Jul 24

Stomach still rumbling. Concerning. That was a major symptom. Of course I just had the surgery yesterday. Ty for asking. Very kind

Ocelot II

(119,039 posts)
31. Every day we see hard evidence of the fallacy of the Master Race theory.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 11:10 AM
Jul 24

And here's some more. Maybe there's a good market for Thighmasters, though.

Prairie Gates

(2,133 posts)
44. These people have grown up in a toxic food environment
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 12:02 PM
Jul 24

They have been told that age old ways of maintaining your health (yoga, walking, running, biking and other daily exercise, moderation and deliberateness in food and drink) are the province of elite liberal scum who hate them. As they suffer the effects of consumerism, toxic foodways, and poor health regimes (which is also a result of economic oppression), they grow to hate those who have been taught and practice other ways. It's a terrible cycle. I'll just add the proviso that the "elite liberal scum" ways are also a product of consumerism and have other issues, but if you eat relatively healthy and have long-standing exercise habits, you are at least engaging in *less* toxic pre-consumerist practices, even if you are doing so as a "lifestyle brand."

Tadpole Raisin

(1,289 posts)
52. I started to watch it but couldn't finish because it was
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 02:05 PM
Jul 24

so awful. Opinions based on hate. ‘She hasn’t done anything’ bs!

I couldn’t take it.

AkFemDem

(2,009 posts)
76. Why is fat shaming acceptable here?
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 10:36 PM
Jul 24

They're disgusting because they defend a lying, thieving, racist, rapist and insult an accomplished, amazing woman ... not because of their body weight. Newsflash- plenty of democrat women are overweight too. Your comments are really hurtful to those of us who live in bigger bodies.

vanlassie

(5,832 posts)
25. "Gammon!" Since my politically savvy
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 11:02 AM
Jul 24

daughter moved from California to England a few years before Brexit, her use of “Gammon” has been my absolute favorite!

beaglelover

(3,898 posts)
26. Attacking a VERY successful non white woman like this is a sure fire way to win new voters to their cause.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 11:03 AM
Jul 24

Especially independents. It's why I hope they continue with these types of attacks, especially DEI Hire all the way to November.

Looking at that picture, they all look like they came from central casting for the role of Rocket Scientist. Pathetic!

tulipsandroses

(5,763 posts)
30. Aside from their nonsense, it showed how the question is phrased
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 11:10 AM
Jul 24

Can influence the answers. Keep in mind that these folks are going to vote Trump no matter what. In the 2nd group who were more “traditional”, she asked them who they blamed for President Biden being in the office like this”. WTF??? Like what? Of course that led to them blaming VP Harris being a part of a cover up, therefore can’t be trusted. Good grief.

Cosmocat

(14,829 posts)
50. Correct
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 01:59 PM
Jul 24

They have been brain washed to believe this, why affirm it through the question?

Media does this as standard operating procedure w republicans.

onetexan

(13,460 posts)
34. LOL saw that on MJ earlier & it was hard to watch
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 11:14 AM
Jul 24

The stupid is strong in half of the American population. It's what we have tp contend with on a daily basis.

oldsoftie

(13,339 posts)
37. I saw that this morning. Thought it was an Wegovy commercial.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 11:21 AM
Jul 24

But seriously, these people DO have to be heard. It gives an idea of what you need to put out there to counter what's in their minds. Some are beyond help but others may not be

raging moderate

(4,455 posts)
38. AND, BEFORE being CA DA, etc., Kamala was the district attorney for San Francisco!
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 11:28 AM
Jul 24

Kamala Harris has DEFINITELY worked her way up! First she was an attorney, then she was the district attorney for San Francisco, then she was the California State DA! THEN she got elected to the US Senate, where she repeatedly bested many right-wingers in many debates, THEN she got chosen to be Joe Biden's Vice President!

cyclonefence

(4,660 posts)
42. Gammon is ham, pure and simple
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 11:52 AM
Jul 24

and used here it's fat-shaming. Only a few of these men and women have florid complexions, but they are all fat.

We're better than this.

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
45. Gammon has a distinct meaning in politics, orginated from the UK where I grew up. I even posted the background.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 12:32 PM
Jul 24

you said

but they are all fat

false, as one can tell simply by looking



and the same for the Brit men

GusBob

(7,428 posts)
47. Learning alot today
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 01:14 PM
Jul 24

Definition of Ham

Type of pork meat
Back of thighs or buttocks
excessively theatrical actor ( my fave)
amateur radio
Urban slang: "Hard As MFer" (acronym that's a new one on me )
Regular slang; to make great effort (another new one)

Ham-fisted: clumsy or bungling

Not a word about fat

cyclonefence

(4,660 posts)
81. Pig fat
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 03:40 PM
Jul 25

When the French took over England via the Norman conquest (1066), the upper crust began to be French instead of Anglo-Saxon, and this was reflected in the language, particularly re: food. An example is pork/ham (gammon, linguistically). The French word "porc" began to refer to the nicer cuts of the hog, and the hocks and butt as gammon, which was the Anglo-Saxon term for pig meat. "Gammon" is not only a term for pig meat, specifically ham, but a kind of derogative from the Middle Ages, sneeringly used by the French to refer to the lesser cuts of pig that Anglo-Saxons ate. The French for ham, jambon, never made it into English because the early French in England were aristocrats who never ate that part of the pig at that time.

I think we all know that when you refer to a bunch of overweight people as "gammon," they are being called "pigs."

julmur

(89 posts)
51. Milwaukee Irish
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 02:04 PM
Jul 24

Well that’s a bevy of beauty queens, seriously though, as the governor of MN would say, these people are just weird! They are so far down the trump rabbit hole, they no longer reside on the same planet as the rest of us

Duncan Grant

(8,388 posts)
53. Criticism of their appearance doesn't elevate us -- or our values.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 02:31 PM
Jul 24

“Othering” is an easy way to dehumanize opponents. I’ll criticize their belief system and ideas but not their appearance, age, gender, class, etc.

Choose your own intent but be aware of its impact.

Bettie

(16,720 posts)
68. Thank you
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 03:37 PM
Jul 24

as a fat woman, it is hard to see the party I am in be so hateful toward people who aren't up to their standards.

Not everyone is thin and that's Okay.

senseandsensibility

(19,306 posts)
57. Has it ever occurred to them what their cult leader cheato
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 03:01 PM
Jul 24

would say about them if he saw the group picture of them above? Living in a bubble and having no self awareness is no way to go through life, sisters.

Ghost of Tom Joad

(1,394 posts)
63. I had a problem with the way Elise Jordan was asking questions
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 03:11 PM
Jul 24

I can' remember exactly how she phrased it but somehow President Biden was not of sound mind. I wish I would remember exactly what she said but I yelled at the screen. One a republican always a republican.

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,914 posts)
64. Sorry to be shallow and superficial
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 03:15 PM
Jul 24

That group has the vibe of a casting call for a new TLC show that’s set to air sometime between Dr. Pimple Popper and My 600lb. Life. Has a real freak show sensibility to it. After asking about their opinions on Harris, the next question was going to be about where the aliens probed them. So let’s pay attention to what these idiots have to say.

Bettie

(16,720 posts)
65. You know, from looking at them you can't tell anything about their views
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 03:26 PM
Jul 24

it's from talking to them that we saw who they are.

So, remember that when you're in a place where there are mixed ideologies. Just because a woman is fat or has gray hair, don't automatically assume they are MAGAts.

Also, for a party that preaches acceptance, the hatred of fat people is....well, I wish it was surprising, but fat people are the last bastion of people who you can mock and demonize with no pushback. Well, I'm pushing back today. I usually just ignore it, but not today.

Just try to remember that fat people do have feelings, and are human! Even if you don't like to admit that.

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
70. My OP did not use the word 'fat' once. The only people who have used that word are people trying to inject it into
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 04:21 PM
Jul 24

the OP,

other than one person who also pushed back against that attempted injection here:

Bettie

(16,720 posts)
71. I replied to the main post because there were so many
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 04:27 PM
Jul 24

people talking about the fat thing that it seemed easier than going to each individual post.

Didn't mean to make you think it was about your OP, it was about the many responses that were about the way the panel looked rather than the content of what they said.

Hope you understand now why I posted it as I did. I stand by what I said, but maybe I should have pasted it in multiple replies to the individual posts that were about this.

I do know that you personally don't engage in this kind of stuff. Sorry.

Nimble_Idea

(2,271 posts)
75. America, the beautiful!! Hot Magat Mommas!!
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 10:26 PM
Jul 24

dadddy dumps rates them all 10s. Wear your best golden sneakers while carrying your sticky bibles to your hot date night!!

ecstatic

(33,861 posts)
80. I'm sick of those ignorant panels.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 10:44 PM
Jul 24

When the media keeps going to those people for their opinions, they are furthering the narrative that the rest of us are not real Americans. It's really fucked up. Guess what? You can find swing voters in Atlanta and other places besides the Midwest.

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