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misanthrope

(7,877 posts)
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 01:53 PM Jul 26

Harris faces first big test as oligarch demands her compliance

A few days ago, billionaire LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman gave $10 million to the Kamala Harris effort, and promised a lot more. Hoffman is a Silicon Valley titan, part of the “PayPal mafia” that includes Peter Thiel and Elon Musk, though Hoffman sits on the Democratic side of the aisle. This morning, Hoffman went on CNN and issued demands. Harris must end Biden’s tariff and antitrust regimes, he said, and fire Federal Trade Commission Chair Lina Khan.

This appearance was followed by reporting that there’s a Silicon Valley fundraising tour for Harris being planned by none other than… Reid Hoffman. Ok, so it’s pretty stunning for an oligarch like Hoffman, with a net worth of a couple billion dollars, to publicly make such a demand. So why is he doing it? One reason is that there’s a lot of money involved. As the Lever reported, Hoffman is on the board of Microsoft, which is right now being sued and investigated by the FTC. It’s a pretty good gig, if you get to fire the law enforcer investigating your misdeeds.


https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/billionaire-orders-kamala-harris

Everything about this gives heft to the postulations that wealthy "tech bros" pressured Democratic politicos to squeeze out Biden to avoid the 46th POTUS' economic policies. Those policies would have continued Biden's record of trying to aid the middle class and working poor.

If Harris doesn't tell this arrogant billionaire to stuff his donations up his rather sizable keister, it will be her first major misstep in the election. She is already being painted by right wing media as a parrot of the "RItchie Richs" who wanted a mouthpiece in office. It will be quite easy for the Trump/Vance campaign to take advantage any Harris compliance with Hoffman and elevate their standing with average Americans.
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Harris faces first big test as oligarch demands her compliance (Original Post) misanthrope Jul 26 OP
So there is some proof of oligarchs' pressure on Biden? Irish_Dem Jul 26 #1
Hence my use of the word "postulations" misanthrope Jul 26 #12
Money has to be a factor. Irish_Dem Jul 26 #29
There is the OP by EarlG a few days before Biden withdrew. wnylib Jul 26 #28
This is nonsense conspiracy stuff servermsh Jul 26 #2
There were actual articles written about oligarchs pressuring reps. edisdead Jul 26 #5
Oligarchs gonna Oligarch. As if they didn't until now. eom. CoopersDad Jul 26 #43
The effect of money on politics isn't a wild-eyed fantasy misanthrope Jul 26 #13
I know...because I know people in contact with Schumer, Pelosi et al brooklynite Jul 26 #18
There could be both not fooled Jul 26 #25
Oh really? GiqueCee Jul 26 #22
yes, it is getting quite tiresome Skittles Jul 26 #36
Nonsense conspiracy stuff? kcr Jul 26 #37
Are you saying Mr Hoffman Tweedy Jul 27 #56
He supported Biden until he dropped out ALBliberal Jul 26 #3
And apparently anti regulation, too. wnylib Jul 26 #31
Fight for campaign finance reform and let's have Dustlawyer Jul 26 #4
Yep. I don't think campaigns for president should spend jimfields33 Jul 26 #15
Exactly GPV Jul 26 #19
Exactly! mountain grammy Jul 26 #27
I'm against the tariff too. It's hurting farmers. But fuck this guy Bucky Jul 26 #6
Cash the check, and tell him to kick rocks. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 26 #7
How about not taking the money at all? jimfields33 Jul 26 #16
"I would hope that..." doesn't sound very demanding... brooklynite Jul 26 #8
It does have an ideological bent: anti-corporate power misanthrope Jul 26 #14
I know, though, that you would have no appreciation for a naked quid pro quo. Mister Ed Jul 26 #30
The CNN report doesn't mention "demands" brooklynite Jul 26 #38
That's what I hope. n/t Mister Ed Jul 26 #39
So I guess we should get input from a pro-corporate monopoly substack? misanthrope Jul 26 #40
How about: just respect a dedicated Democrat helping our nominee? brooklynite Jul 26 #41
Those with power should be viewed with abundant skepticism misanthrope Jul 26 #42
Should you therefore view me with mild curiosity? brooklynite Jul 26 #44
I sincerely hope that President Harris does not replace her Tweedy Jul 27 #57
I care much more about what politicians DO in office. snot Jul 26 #9
This is silly DarthDem Jul 26 #10
Don't be surprised if there are calls for Harris to drop out BluenFLA Jul 26 #11
If the gop/well funded think tanks/oligarchs... rubbersole Jul 26 #17
Need another reason to get the $$$$ out of politics? Grins Jul 26 #20
Let her take the money...... wcollar Jul 26 #21
She might not even need oligarch money IronLionZion Jul 26 #23
And we small donors need to keep that going. Mister Ed Jul 26 #34
Here we go. The Oligarch Under the Bed. betsuni Jul 26 #24
With friends like him...as the saying goes. Hope she rejects his donation. It's time for Micheal Bloomberg... brush Jul 26 #26
You realize he didn't say "do what I want or else"? brooklynite Jul 26 #47
He sure inferred it. Hope you're right. brush Jul 26 #50
Went to your source & saw some of this, & supporting statements from Sirota, Sanders, etc... Hekate Jul 26 #32
Well all you need to do is get700,000 people to donate $10 each and his "influence" will be gone... brooklynite Jul 26 #48
Same book, different chapter. WinstonSmith4740 Jul 26 #33
and who does he think he is !? AllaN01Bear Jul 26 #35
A Democratic donor with ideas about policy? brooklynite Jul 26 #45
Last year, by virtue of my donations, I have the chance to talk to VP Harris in Chicago... brooklynite Jul 26 #46
I think she should tell him to fuck right off. Volaris Jul 26 #49
I don't think she just fell out of a coconut tree with a price tag on her. n/t dobleremolque Jul 26 #51
Hoffman created LinkedIn which was bought by Microsoft. usonian Jul 26 #52
I'm sooooo shocked, this is happening. nt BootinUp Jul 26 #53
Quid pro quo?...tell him to keep his money spanone Jul 26 #54
There are other ways to pressure a campaign, in addition to. nt BootinUp Jul 26 #55

Irish_Dem

(55,272 posts)
1. So there is some proof of oligarchs' pressure on Biden?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 01:56 PM
Jul 26

I don't think it was the whole equation.
But part of it.

Irish_Dem

(55,272 posts)
29. Money has to be a factor.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 04:47 PM
Jul 26

It takes money to win a presidential election.

And people with money want candidates who can win elections.
People with money cannot get power with candidates who do not win.

wnylib

(23,503 posts)
28. There is the OP by EarlG a few days before Biden withdrew.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 04:44 PM
Jul 26

It gave quite a few details with some links, if I recall correctly.

I don't doubt the involvement by tech oligarchs. It's how things are done sometimes - or at least it's what attempts are sometimes made.

servermsh

(1,259 posts)
2. This is nonsense conspiracy stuff
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 01:57 PM
Jul 26

Biden decided to bow out because of his energy level (and perhaps because he looked at polling).

misanthrope

(7,877 posts)
13. The effect of money on politics isn't a wild-eyed fantasy
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:18 PM
Jul 26

and hasn't been for a long time. We don't know everything that went into Biden's decision because he didn't enumerate them in his speech on Tuesday. It was likely a combination of several things.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
18. I know...because I know people in contact with Schumer, Pelosi et al
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:45 PM
Jul 26

Big donors weren’t refusing to donate because they already had What they were reporting is that they could encourage new donors after the debate. But that wasn’t “blackmail”, it was reluctance to donate to what people thought was a losing effort, as opposed to donating to races that were still competitive.

not fooled

(5,972 posts)
25. There could be both
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 04:27 PM
Jul 26

Some big donors who had legitimate concerns about the race, and other big donors who want to be able to dictate aspects of the candidate's administration.

GiqueCee

(1,156 posts)
22. Oh really?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 04:09 PM
Jul 26

You're not paying attention. What is infinitely more likely is that Joe knew that a great many democratic pols down-ticket in tight races were about to see their Big-Money donors yank the financial rug out from under them if they didn't go all et tu, Brutus on Biden.

The fact that this asshole felt confident enough to overplay his hand and say the quiet part out loud, means that they think that they have the pretty lady between a rock and a hard place. Here's hoping her resolve is strong enough to tell him to shove it, and then quietly suggest that there might be an investigation in his future if he doesn't watch his step. Such a brazen quid pro quo cannot be ignored.

kcr

(15,463 posts)
37. Nonsense conspiracy stuff?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 05:40 PM
Jul 26

Tell us you haven't been paying attention without telling us you haven't been paying attention.

Tweedy

(840 posts)
56. Are you saying Mr Hoffman
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 12:39 AM
Jul 27

did not go on CNN and demand the VP not pursue antitrust, regulating cyber etc?

ALBliberal

(2,754 posts)
3. He supported Biden until he dropped out
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 01:57 PM
Jul 26

there was no outrage about Biden accepting his money.

Saw the guy on 11th hour last night.

He’s very anti Republican

jimfields33

(17,887 posts)
15. Yep. I don't think campaigns for president should spend
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:25 PM
Jul 26

more than 400K. All positions should have a max of the salary position they are going after. It’s gross to spend a billion dollars for a job making 400K.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
6. I'm against the tariff too. It's hurting farmers. But fuck this guy
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:00 PM
Jul 26

You don't get to hand down ultimatums just cause you're a jillionaire.

Harris is a logical and persuadable leader. But people have to argue inside the Democratic process

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
8. "I would hope that..." doesn't sound very demanding...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:04 PM
Jul 26

Perhaps “The Big Newsletter” has an ideological bent?

As the only person here on the “Oligarch” Committee, perhaps I’m just more appreciative of generous Democratic donors.

Mister Ed

(6,251 posts)
30. I know, though, that you would have no appreciation for a naked quid pro quo.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 04:48 PM
Jul 26

Is this being accurately reported?

This morning, Hoffman went on CNN and issued demands. Harris must end Biden’s tariff and antitrust regimes, he said, and fire Federal Trade Commission Chair Lina Khan.

If this is accurate, then it seems to be a description of a blatant quid pro quo of the same sort that we roundly decried when Trump told oil industry execs that he'd do their bidding once in office if they contributed a billion dollars.
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
38. The CNN report doesn't mention "demands"
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 05:59 PM
Jul 26
Hoffman, who has donated $7 million to the leading pro-Biden and Harris super PAC, told CNN he’s “redoubling” efforts to support the campaign and has “great hope” that Harris will become the United States’ first woman president.

…snip…

“Lina Khan is…a person who is not helping America,” Hoffman told CNN in his first on-camera interview since President Joe Biden stepped aside as the presumptive Democratic nominee. “I would hope that Vice President Harris would replace her.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/business/reid-hoffman-kamala-harris-ftc-khan?cid=ios_app


Perhaps a substack described as “ The history and politics of monopoly powe” has a bit of a bias?
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
44. Should you therefore view me with mild curiosity?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:14 PM
Jul 26

I don’t have nearly as much money to contribute but I give enough to attend the same meetings, get face time with our candidates and Party leadership etc.

In the meantime, the Biden and now Harris campaigns built their financial model around a large influx on cash from megadonors. I’m not going to ask them to unilaterally disarm.

snot

(10,641 posts)
9. I care much more about what politicians DO in office.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:08 PM
Jul 26

Talk is, after all, cheap.

That said, if they can't bring themselves to at least say what I want to hear, they're probably not going to be able to bring themselves to do what I want them to do.

BluenFLA

(75 posts)
11. Don't be surprised if there are calls for Harris to drop out
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:10 PM
Jul 26

It will come in drips as low level members of Congress start mouthing off to corporate media that she can't win or laughs too much or some other nonsense. Then the bigwigs jump into the bandwagon and so on.

Seriously, something has to be done to get rid of the fat cat donors who think they get to choose who runs for office. That won't happen anytime soon, but this cannot go on.

rubbersole

(7,863 posts)
17. If the gop/well funded think tanks/oligarchs...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:34 PM
Jul 26

...prevail in this election--your vote and opinions will never matter again. It's people vs unlimited money. Like Kamala says - "Bring it on."

Grins

(7,658 posts)
20. Need another reason to get the $$$$ out of politics?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 03:47 PM
Jul 26

Been saying it since the Bush II years of terror - The government should pay the cost of all elections from State Governors to President. Money, personal or donated - banned!

The half-way attempts of the past have failed. Go nuclear.

Mister Ed

(6,251 posts)
34. And we small donors need to keep that going.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 05:11 PM
Jul 26

We need to keep donating what we can, not only to the Harris campaign, but to the campaigns of vulnerable legislators who may otherwise be desperately dependent on large donors.

betsuni

(26,988 posts)
24. Here we go. The Oligarch Under the Bed.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 04:25 PM
Jul 26

Biden's policies help the middle and working class, but we're supposed to be scared and angry that Harris will spinelessly "comply" with all the bad oligarch demands and have to be a corrupt beholden elite forever and ignore The People because of campaign contributions. Same old corruption accusations against Democrats.

brush

(56,163 posts)
26. With friends like him...as the saying goes. Hope she rejects his donation. It's time for Micheal Bloomberg...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 04:32 PM
Jul 26

to pitch in like he did in 2020. He's worth way more than Hoffman.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
47. You realize he didn't say "do what I want or else"?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:38 PM
Jul 26

The campaign will be happy to have his support?

Hekate

(93,384 posts)
32. Went to your source & saw some of this, & supporting statements from Sirota, Sanders, etc...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 04:55 PM
Jul 26

There’s also a clip of Hoffman on CNN, but unfortunately only 10 seconds. I just say all this in case someone does not want to go to the link.

Than you misanthrope, for the heads up. What a revoltin’ development.


 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
48. Well all you need to do is get700,000 people to donate $10 each and his "influence" will be gone...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:40 PM
Jul 26

In the meantime the campaign needs the money.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,135 posts)
33. Same book, different chapter.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 05:07 PM
Jul 26

Pretty sure this is why the UAW hasn't endorsed yet. I've seen Shawn Fain in interviews, and he can talk all he wants about "procedure"...sounds to me like he wants to name the VP. Hopefully with the kind of money she's raising,, Kamala can tell these American oligarchs to fold it five ways & stuff it.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
46. Last year, by virtue of my donations, I have the chance to talk to VP Harris in Chicago...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:25 PM
Jul 26

…and I suggested how she should frame her message in her upcoming college tour.

Was that unfair?

usonian

(12,075 posts)
52. Hoffman created LinkedIn which was bought by Microsoft.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:30 PM
Jul 26

I left ages ago. Not only was it a cesspool of spam, but was hacked, so that my old email address gets tons of spam in perpetuity.

As for politics, tech bros be tech bros.

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