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New FOX News swing state polls: (Original Post) Self Esteem Jul 26 OP
She still has some work to do ColinC Jul 26 #1
Good starting point. I'm hoping the convention, like in 1992, cements her lead and she doesn't look back. Self Esteem Jul 26 #2
I think she will likely make up a lot of ground before then, and hopefully the convention just propels her far over the ColinC Jul 26 #3
With Kennedy in the race, she's ahead in 2 states kerry-is-my-prez Jul 26 #41
Yeah it's also still very early. But it's not a bad place to start. ColinC Jul 26 #42
Poll Was For Republican Voters NonPC Jul 26 #28
*Ahem* ... We still have work to do Bucky Jul 26 #21
WE still have work to do! ColinC Jul 26 #26
Don't call, text or knock on my door lame54 Jul 26 #40
Okay. Please PM me your exact address... Bucky Jul 27 #45
And as of Saturday it hasn't even been a week yet. elocs Jul 26 #37
A great start. But, complacency is our enemy. The other side WILL try to divide us... PeaceWave Jul 26 #4
news cycle favors dems to the end of convention...trump will try stuff that gives him maximum attention nt msongs Jul 26 #5
Wh would anyone take a foxnews poll seriously? Think. Again. Jul 26 #6
This year, Fox polls have been more in line with polling trends than the NYT polls. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 26 #7
I can't for one minute believe... Think. Again. Jul 26 #8
And yet, the truth is their polls tend to be more favourable to Dems than the NYT polls. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 26 #10
That isn't saying much, though. Is a little lie better than a big lie? Think. Again. Jul 26 #11
Their polls are legit. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 26 #16
Is there a source for how legit FAUX Polls are? I agree with being a sceptic of FAUX News anything uponit7771 Jul 26 #23
No FOX News is actually higher quality than CNN kansasobama Jul 26 #15
FOX's polls are actually legitimate, even if their spin on them is not. BlueCheeseAgain Jul 26 #13
Their polls are pretty good democrattotheend Jul 26 #29
I usually say wait a week before believing the polls, so it coming time now... Wounded Bear Jul 26 #9
Just about zero undecideds. The ground game will win it for the Democrats. everyonematters Jul 26 #12
Ironically speaking, FOX News polls are high quality kansasobama Jul 26 #14
After the sentencing in September, there will be a swing to Kamala's favor. ProudMNDemocrat Jul 26 #17
Michigan? edhopper Jul 26 #18
By how much did Biden win those two states? Iggo Jul 26 #19
Biden was down in PA and MI before he got out. BannonsLiver Jul 26 #25
Turn out is very important Johonny Jul 26 #30
How is Minnesota a swing state? SocialDemocrat61 Jul 26 #20
Minnesota polls were tied up just a week ago Bucky Jul 26 #22
The problem in 2016 wasn't Trump overperforming but rather third party candidates taking away from Hillary. Self Esteem Jul 26 #34
I've never believed in the "we was ROBBED by 3rd parties" excuse Bucky Jul 27 #46
You're arguing about something I never said. Self Esteem Jul 27 #54
Then I apologize Bucky Jul 28 #56
I did. Self Esteem Jul 28 #57
One of the little discussed (here, due to the terms laid down) but crucial components Celerity Jul 27 #44
For me, the turning point was when NJ came down to 1% difference Bucky Jul 27 #47
Good catch! I forgot to list NJ. I think even ME was starting to slide (not to the same point as the others, but still) Celerity Jul 27 #48
We lost the Iron Range union vote to the GOP NickB79 Jul 27 #55
Is there a link to polling internals? I don't trust FAUX News about anything ... nothing good or bad ... nothing uponit7771 Jul 26 #24
Not believing these. The same wall of poll hype Biden faced, & they'll try to confound public perception with these. ancianita Jul 26 #27
Even if you are suspicious about the percentages the trend is favorable Trekologer Jul 26 #31
Yes, there's a silver lining playbook factor in corporate media polls. ancianita Jul 27 #43
These are significant improvements from Biden's numbers. Sky Jewels Jul 26 #35
I'm so tired of "swing states" getting all the love RainCaster Jul 26 #32
Do you know how to "get rid of" the electoral college? Bucky Jul 27 #50
I'm with you, RainCaster! I'd LOVE to see us amend the constitution to get rid of the Electoral College. BComplex Jul 27 #52
Don't give up! Who ever thought we'd have a black POTUS? RainCaster Jul 27 #53
Much better! Johnny2X2X Jul 26 #33
Thank You - K & R !!! Rubyshoo Jul 26 #36
More completely meaningless polls except to show what the previous ones did. A close race. Poll obsession is POINTLESS. Deek1935 Jul 26 #38
and Wisconsin...what the hell is wrong with Wisconsin..... a kennedy Jul 26 #39
Well, this is cheerful! Thanks for the post. nt LAS14 Jul 27 #49
Looking good republianmushroom Jul 27 #51

Self Esteem

(838 posts)
2. Good starting point. I'm hoping the convention, like in 1992, cements her lead and she doesn't look back.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:18 PM
Jul 26

ColinC

(9,713 posts)
3. I think she will likely make up a lot of ground before then, and hopefully the convention just propels her far over the
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:19 PM
Jul 26

finish line.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,652 posts)
41. With Kennedy in the race, she's ahead in 2 states
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:56 PM
Jul 26

Kennedy actually helps her in 2 states, makes no difference in another, and fall behind in another.

Pennsylvania

Harris:
Tie. - 7/22-7/24 - Fox News
+2 Harris -7/22-7/24 - Fox News
(W/Kennedy)


Wisconsin (10 EV)

Harris:
+1 Tr - 7/22-7/24 - Fox News
Tie - 7/22-7/24 - Fox News
(W/Kennedy)


Minnesota

+6 Harris - 7/22-7/24 - Fox News
+6 Harris - 7/22-7/24 - Fox News
(W/Kennedy)


Michigan (15 EV)

Harris:

+.3 Harris - 7/22-7/24 - Fox News
+2 Tr - 7/22-7/24 - Fox News
(W/Kennedy)

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
21. *Ahem* ... We still have work to do
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 07:09 PM
Jul 26

You can phone bank from anywhere in the country.

I'm weighing to see if I can move to a swing state in October & early November to block walk for Kamala

elocs

(22,954 posts)
37. And as of Saturday it hasn't even been a week yet.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:54 PM
Jul 26

But it has been a week of enthusiasm and hope among Democrats and those on the Left as well as some non-maga Republicans.

PeaceWave

(565 posts)
4. A great start. But, complacency is our enemy. The other side WILL try to divide us...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:22 PM
Jul 26

Trump and his minions will try to make the entire election all about race. That's always been their modus operandi.

msongs

(69,238 posts)
5. news cycle favors dems to the end of convention...trump will try stuff that gives him maximum attention nt
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:28 PM
Jul 26

Think. Again.

(14,902 posts)
8. I can't for one minute believe...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:41 PM
Jul 26

...that foxnews would ever present anything, ever, that isn't intended to hurt Democrats somehow.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,962 posts)
16. Their polls are legit.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:52 PM
Jul 26

Some of the questions Fox has them ask are tendendentious. It doesn't matter as long as the horse race questions are first.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,889 posts)
13. FOX's polls are actually legitimate, even if their spin on them is not.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:49 PM
Jul 26

They contract with a pair of Dem/GOP pollsters to do their polls: Beacon Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R).

democrattotheend

(12,002 posts)
29. Their polls are pretty good
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:26 PM
Jul 26

The way they report them is often slanted, but the polls themselves are legit polls with live interviews, done by a reputable Democratic and Republican pollster, and well rated on 538. They don't usually tilt any further right than other news organizations' polls.

Wounded Bear

(59,911 posts)
9. I usually say wait a week before believing the polls, so it coming time now...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:43 PM
Jul 26

to pay attention to the trends we are seeing. Positive movement towards the blue is about all we can ask for these days, so improving news.

everyonematters

(3,504 posts)
12. Just about zero undecideds. The ground game will win it for the Democrats.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:45 PM
Jul 26

Democrats will get out the early vote. Republican don't do it which means some of them won't make it on election day.

ProudMNDemocrat

(18,275 posts)
17. After the sentencing in September, there will be a swing to Kamala's favor.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:56 PM
Jul 26

For Judge Merchan will brief and follow the law. No way is he going to drop the verdict.

edhopper

(34,381 posts)
18. Michigan?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 07:01 PM
Jul 26

Whitmer won by 10 percent, how can it be tied?

Same with PA where Shapiro won by 15%

I don't see how they are so close.

BannonsLiver

(17,399 posts)
25. Biden was down in PA and MI before he got out.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 07:35 PM
Jul 26

These results are an improvement over previous surveys.

SocialDemocrat61

(2,145 posts)
20. How is Minnesota a swing state?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 07:08 PM
Jul 26

They haven’t voted for a republican for president since Nixon over 50 years ago.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
22. Minnesota polls were tied up just a week ago
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 07:16 PM
Jul 26

In 2016 Clinton only won the state by 46.4% to 44.9%, a 1.5% difference.

We should never underestimate how destructive and divisive... and how seductive... appeals to hate and resentment can be.

Republicans sure haven't

Self Esteem

(838 posts)
34. The problem in 2016 wasn't Trump overperforming but rather third party candidates taking away from Hillary.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:48 PM
Jul 26

In the last three presidential elections, here's the percentage won by the GOP nominee in Minnesota:

2012: 45%
2016: 45%
2020: 45%

My guess is that Trump probably wins 45%. If Minnesota is close it'll be due to third party candidates.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
46. I've never believed in the "we was ROBBED by 3rd parties" excuse
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:18 AM
Jul 27

Sorry, but if we did our jobs right, 3rd parties wouldn't win over the margins of victory from us.

No voter owes their vote to the Democratic Party. It's our jobs as loyal partisans to earn the votes of the general electorate. If another party outhustles us, well that's just how democracy works.

I'm a Democrat, but I'm a democrat ahead of that.

Self Esteem

(838 posts)
54. You're arguing about something I never said.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:37 PM
Jul 27

I never once said Hillary was robbed. Never said anything remotely about it. I did point out that Minnesota was closer than it's been in the most recent election cycles because third party candidates did much better there than we've seen - not that Trump somehow expanded typical GOP support. That's all.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
56. Then I apologize
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 08:56 AM
Jul 28

Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant by "but rather third party candidates taking away from Hillary." From the context I thought you meant votes

Self Esteem

(838 posts)
57. I did.
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 05:49 PM
Jul 28

They did take away from Hillary. That's a fact based on what we know from previous elections. That doesn't mean there wasn't reasons for those voters, who likely voted Obama in 2012 and Biden in 2020, not voting Hillary. But those third party candidates did take votes from Hillary.

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
44. One of the little discussed (here, due to the terms laid down) but crucial components
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:38 AM
Jul 27

in terms of Biden dropping out was the expansion (via both public and internal polling) of seriously at-risk states to include NH, NM, MN, VA, and even CO and NE-2 towards the end. That is on top of being consistently down, for months, in the core swing states of AZ, GA, WI, MI, PA, NV, and (the only real remotely flippable chance from Red to Blue) NC.

Do not forget that Minnesota was pretty damn close in 2016. It was one of only two states I missed on the EC map. I had it going Red (following the rest of the Midwest collapse) and FL going Blue (will not make that mistake again, did not in 2020, and certainly do not see it going Blue this time either, unfortunately).

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
47. For me, the turning point was when NJ came down to 1% difference
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:23 AM
Jul 27

If Jersey ever becomes a swing state, we're "screwn" (remember that?)

Things are getting set back to normal now. My blood pressure is back to sane levels. But our Titanic was cruising toward an iceberg for a couple of months there. It was an important history lesson for all of us.

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
48. Good catch! I forgot to list NJ. I think even ME was starting to slide (not to the same point as the others, but still)
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:30 AM
Jul 27

NickB79

(19,448 posts)
55. We lost the Iron Range union vote to the GOP
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:39 PM
Jul 27

Northern Minnesota was once reliably blue thanks to unions working the taconite mines. That's gone now. And rural Minnesota is far more red now, where 50 yr ago farmers like my grandfather were Democrats.

All the major cities are still blue, but our margin of victory has been eroding lately.

uponit7771

(91,048 posts)
24. Is there a link to polling internals? I don't trust FAUX News about anything ... nothing good or bad ... nothing
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 07:21 PM
Jul 26

ancianita

(37,604 posts)
27. Not believing these. The same wall of poll hype Biden faced, & they'll try to confound public perception with these.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:09 PM
Jul 26

Trekologer

(1,043 posts)
31. Even if you are suspicious about the percentages the trend is favorable
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:35 PM
Jul 26

In less than a week Harris has managed to reverse Biden’s slide. If the trends continue…

ancianita

(37,604 posts)
43. Yes, there's a silver lining playbook factor in corporate media polls.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:15 AM
Jul 27

"Trends" are a whole other kind of narrative used by corporate media, and that's for another discussion.

Sky Jewels

(8,465 posts)
35. These are significant improvements from Biden's numbers.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:48 PM
Jul 26

After less than a week!

Stuart Rothenberg was surprised and encouraged by how quickly this has happened. He thought it would take another week or two for the polls to reflect improvement.

She's going to gain momentum and pass Trump soon. The narrative will change. She'll be the frontrunner, and then the Inevitable Loser Stink will settle on Trump, and he'll be done.

RainCaster

(11,245 posts)
32. I'm so tired of "swing states" getting all the love
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:38 PM
Jul 26

Let's do away with the Electoral College and then the press can treat all of us voters the same.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
50. Do you know how to "get rid of" the electoral college?
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:39 AM
Jul 27

Sorry, but that's just not a constructive suggestion.

In a "Best of All Possible Worlds" universe, then yes, a popular vote system would be more just. But we don't live there and the obstacles to getting there are effectively insurmountable. ☹️

BComplex

(8,889 posts)
52. I'm with you, RainCaster! I'd LOVE to see us amend the constitution to get rid of the Electoral College.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:57 AM
Jul 27

But I'm afraid we're a long way from getting that done. It's just too big of an ask with the country so split up.

RainCaster

(11,245 posts)
53. Don't give up! Who ever thought we'd have a black POTUS?
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:24 PM
Jul 27

I'm thinking positively about this. It will happen sooner than we think.

Johnny2X2X

(20,881 posts)
33. Much better!
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:44 PM
Jul 26

Had dinner with a very conservative friend tonight. He is not counting for Trump. He usually has a pretty good reason things from a conservative perspective.

He thinks Harris is going to win in a landslide. And he really doesn’t like her.

 

Deek1935

(1,055 posts)
38. More completely meaningless polls except to show what the previous ones did. A close race. Poll obsession is POINTLESS.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:56 PM
Jul 26

a kennedy

(31,282 posts)
39. and Wisconsin...what the hell is wrong with Wisconsin.....
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:58 PM
Jul 26

Not for long…..K A M A L A Is going to kick arse in Wisconsin…..it’s only July 26th. Gonna kick arse in November.

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