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I thought maybe he was just trying to send a warning that he wouldn't endorse if she backs off those things? But why would he think she is even thinking of that? Usually he is pretty straightforward. He seemed to be beating around the bush.

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We don’t make assumptions about people’s motives here?

That Sanders retains all the baked-in misogyny of the campus radical scene in the sixties has been made abundantly clear throughout his career. Sanders has a great deal of trouble with women of accomplishment, particularly accomplishment in his own field. Women are to support, assist, even, shall we say, comfort the bolder radical spirits, but are not to be suffered in the leadership. The best you can say of him in this regard is that he is a creature of his time, and will remain so till the end....

Thank you....

in 2016 he waited for Senator Warren to decline to run. He has no problem with supporting women. He just doesn’t always do it.

My guess is he is waiting for some assurance.

That the Senator wants assurances?

I would like some too although I am voting for Kamala Harris over Mr Trump.

I would like to know she will continue President Biden’s antitrust initiatives which are so long overdue we practically have oligarchs telling us they own us all. I would like to know she won’t back down on regulating cyber currency. I think she will do these things but I would like to know.

We need to do these things even if big money doesn’t like it so we don’t face the same trumpian threat again and again and again until the oligarchs succeed and turn us into a little, petty country run by a dictator who tosses people out windows.

Or that the Senator would support a woman?

I recall the problems between Senators Warren and Saunders in 2020. Yet, in 2016, Senator Saunders specifically waited for Senator Warren to decline to run before declaring because he supported her.

and the Dems historically turn their backs on working class. If that is what you all feel campaigning for Harris is you are so far off the mark. What a train wreck. He absolutely sat their on tv talking about how they were absolutely right to vote Trump, cause Dems, am I right? Big money. wtf?

we know they were lying. He wants the message to be stronger.

I'm done with focusing on trying to take down someone who supports the Dem party. He is out there campaigning for her, actions speak louder than words!

Many on here loved Sanders when he supported Biden to the end and were saying they would not help those who came out against Biden staying in the race.

Let's focus on the person who wants to be a dictator!

And, by the way, it's not Bernie who dropped the Comey memo a week before the 2016 election. It was that and Russian interference, along with 20 years of anti-Clinton propaganda led by the major media that cost Hillary the election. It was not Bernie's policy disagreements with her, with her husband, and with the concepts of "Triangulation" and Carvillian mainstreaming.

Bernie won the 2016 Vermont Democratic primary overwhelmingly. Hillary carried the state overwhelmingly in the General Election. I personally don't know a single Bernie voter here in Vermont who didn't vote for Hillary, though I am assured they did so in droves elsewhere and got Trump elected. I have never heard Hillary say that.

And Bernie also won the Democratic Primary in 2020, though by a much smaller margin, as many voters, myself included, saw the opportunity to vote for a forcefull woman, Elizabeth Warren. And many voted for Joe Biden. And, again, Vermont Dems voted overwhelmingly for the Party's unified candidate, Joe Biden.

Never met a "Berniebot" though I am told they run rampant and are to blame for many of our woes!

Bernie is anything but a sexist/misogynist. It's the bombing/starving of innocent Palestinians that has Bernie all torn up. He's seen the suffering going on & on & on in Gaza, and he just doesn't have the stomach for it. 99% of humanity doesn't have the stomach for it. This is solely on Netanyahu.

You know better LizBeth? Really? Ya, I do know and have watched a consistent pattern. I stand with what I say. As do many and have for years. Never forget. But others chose to forget if they ever allowed themselves to see.

Tell me how getting on national tv and saying Dems historically turn their back on working class, Dems are a party of big money, Harris is going to lose..... helps in campaigning for her?

went behind the back of President Biden to get him to withdraw.

Maybe he felt like the media is just wanting to be first with the news kinda thing. I wish the media, including Ali, whom I like a lot, would just be patient and let things happen on their own accord.

She was almost certainly first on their list id Joe dropped out.

As far as Bernie goes .... well. ....

but would not respond to the exact question of "endorsement" using precise language.

Mmmm, Bernie.

I am generally a supporter of his.

Bernie is strategic. He supports Kamala. It’s all about the timing. He’s with us. Ari Melbers show is not the place to announce.

It like someone speculated, next one let me expand upon that with even more speculation.

maybe it's the same with Bernie.
I said last weekend that Pelosi and Obama needed to endorse by the end of Monday, which Pelosi did (and killed any contest), and to be fair Obama did the same day but it looks like the delayed the announcement.

on working class and she is going to lose. You here any Dem talking like that?

wouldn't endorse her, or that she wouldn't want his endorsement. I'd be shocked if the endorsement doesn't come soon.

These endorsements out for effect.

that's what I'm thinking

that can trash a dem but can't be called out for it.
Never forget.

yup

no INDEED

You would think he would have learned his lesson.

he'll....eventually endorse VP Harris too

whatever

I do however think too much is being made of who does and doesn't endorse and when.

Much bigger fish to fry, I think.

to people in my life. The only thing it matters.....

Funny thing that, I did not see many of the 'Bernie is a bad man and always will be' types offer up even the slightest approval of his consistently having Biden's back in terms of Sanders saying Biden was our nominee and should not drop out, whilst the clear majority of the elected Dems who called for Biden to drop out where from the wings (moderates, centrists, conservatives) of our Party that the perpetually vocal anti-Sanders crew lionise. Same thing applies to AOC having Biden's back.

Also, Sanders has said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sen-bernie-sanders-says-hell-005015066.html

Sanders said Tuesday evening that he hopes Harris defeats Donald Trump in November, telling reporters: "I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that she becomes president" — but with a caveat that he needs to see more from her. Sanders stopped short of an endorsement, saying Harris needs to outline a specific plan to help working-class people before he will formally back her campaign.

"I look forward to strongly supporting her. But I think if she is going to win, she's going to have to focus a great deal of attention on the plight of the American working class, come up with some very specific suggestions as to how she's going to address the reality that 60% of our people are living paycheck to paycheck," he said, without outlining what specifics he hopes to see from her.

Harris has "to make it clear that she's on the side of the working class of this country. If she does that, she's going to win, and I think she can win big." Asked whether Harris' choice of a running mate is important to his endorsement, Sanders said, "Yes, it is."

Sanders had demanded similar commitments from Joe Biden before he supported him in the past. Sanders has tended to seize opportunities to elevate his key issues, like expanding Social Security and raising the minimum wage. In fact, Sanders had publicly backed Biden up until the moment he dropped out of the 2024 race, saying Biden still had a path to victory if he supported expanded Medicare benefits, a bigger child tax credit and tax hikes on the wealthy to preserve Social Security.

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if she does not do what he says? Truly suggesting that? In this moment we really need him to stand in front of a camera and tell the nation Dems historically turn their back on working class and they are a party of big money and Harris is going to lose.

What's weird is he accuses oligarchs of corruption by implying that they are demanding something for their contributions, but then he has the same expectations with his endorsement.

Because you know Bernie being one of the strongest proponents of their position was an incredibly sour swallow.

certain nuanced positions in re the I/P war, although even there, we are, big picture, in concord over most of it IMHO).

In long threads, I always give a scan through to see if your name is in the mix. People like you are why I'm here.

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Many say he screwed up the 2016 election by staying too long in the race and not supporting Hillary. Is he trying for a repeat??? I liked Bernie much better when he stayed out of presidential politics. I used to adore him, in fact but not anymore.

Used to listen to Breakfast With Bernie every week on Thom Hartmann. I liked him a lot back then.

And like a lot of old men is not inclined to go along unless pushed.

of Congress stayed with President Biden till the bitter end because they knew how much progressive legislation was passed over the last three years, as good as they have gotten since LBJ. Bernie said already he, and by inference, most very liberal members, will do whatever it takes to get the VP elected, but I assume there are some talks going on about a Harris administration continuing Biden administration pursuits of progressive goals.

To his very core Bernie mistrusts the kind of big money donors that were so vocal about the President stepping down from the ticket. I assume he may want to see how Kamala responds to pressures from these funders, on issues he finds important.

Bernie has had a very large behind the scenes role -- along with Senator Professor Warren (per Charles Pierce) -- in steering Biden/Harris economic and infrastructure policy.

He is not aging out of politics, he is working to make sure that the gains of the Biden presidency continue and grow.

And he won't, I hate to tell you, "be pushed out of the way" any time soon. Vermonters will overwhelmingly reelect him in November, his reelection win will be among the first calls of Election Night, along with our state going for Kamala. And come 2025, I am sure President Harris will continue to seek out his cranky but wise advice well through her presidential career.

Thanks Sanders for the support of Biden, wooosh.

the younger woman of color?

What does the wooosh mean? I am another old man.

end. Does that merit a wooosh?

all of the "Squad", the Black Congressional Caucus, the Hispanic Caucus, most of the Democratic governors, and Senator Warren all stood by Joe. So did Kamala Harris.

A lot of old white men (Welch, Brown, Manchin, Schiff, Tester, Raskin, etc) bailed on him.

Woooooooooooooosh!!!!???

He and Bernie are contemporaries . I do understand that Bernie will choose his time and will most likely give her his complete and wholehearted support.
Younger thinking has to be.
The whole thing with both wars going on are old thinking.
BTW I am 2 months younger than Bernie.

not to endorse our most popular candidate since Obama?

Always more interested in Bernie than anything else

A Vermont veteran or rural person lacking a health care facility? A local community family flooded out by the Winooski River for the 3rd or 5th time this decade? Any of the millions of people who have benefited from pharmacy cost savings that Bernie helped instigate?

I don't agree with your assessment, most people here in Vermont wouldn't either.

His snubbing of Joh Lewis in his last walk across the bridge and his snubbing of Jim Clyburn, tells me everything I need to know about the guy's ability to connect nationally.

Child nutrition, labor equity. Those kind of Vermont local issues?

Not really worth the keystrokes, he doesn't need me to defend him.

speaks for itself.

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of some media news reader. It was a shit question that he of course ignored.

same way the Obama’s did. The media hack knew this and knew he wasn’t going to answer her question.

The Obamas have done it.

It was reported that the Obamas waited as not to take Biden’s thunder endorsing her. Let’s not get ahead of what’s going on because we’re all just guessing here.

to endorse? UAW President Shawn Fain was on and said they (UAW) haven't endorsed her yet because they have an endorsement process that hasn't been fully completed yet.

Dems to take the lead.