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RandySF
(65,615 posts)Blaukraut
(5,827 posts)And where did you hear this?
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,652 posts)Blaukraut
(5,827 posts)He's too old. We're just now regaining the youth enthusiasm. Let's not tamp it right back down again with an almost 70 year old. I like Cooper a lot, but if we're going young and energetic, we need to go all the way.
Upthevibe
(8,754 posts)I'm not comfortable with a Cooper choice either.
Grown2Hate
(2,087 posts)necessarily what the youth is looking at. David Hoagg says he and his group love Tim Walz (Gov of MN) because of his progressive credentials and his communication skills. Don't have to be young to speak to the youth vote.
yardwork
(63,234 posts)They're excited and energized by Kamala and told me they would be very happy if she chose Cooper. We're in NC and they've seen how Roy has skillfully dealt with a Republican majority in our state legislature. He goes up against 100 Marjorie Taylor Greenes every day.
bullimiami
(13,683 posts)Not quite as bad as Tim Kaine but pretty meh.
Ocelot II
(119,038 posts)and it might be a surprise.
anciano
(1,418 posts)gab13by13
(23,789 posts)Non-Pennsylvanians, Shapiro is very popular in Pa. He beat Magat Mastreano and got 15% votes from Magats.
wryter2000
(47,065 posts)I'd love it if she chose him.
MiKenMi33
(79 posts)It has been narrowed down to Shapiro, Cooper, and Kelly.
Ocelot II
(119,038 posts)MiKenMi33
(79 posts)There are 12 names under consideration but according to sources familiar with the campaign, Vice President Harris has whittled the list down to these 3 as the top contenders.
Ocelot II
(119,038 posts)We won't know until Harris announces it, and whoever it turns out to be will be a great choice.
WheelWalker
(9,114 posts)anciano
(1,418 posts)multigraincracker
(33,549 posts)Im goong with her pick.
gab13by13
(23,789 posts)FlyingPiggy
(3,659 posts)And I trust her team will advise just that.
gab13by13
(23,789 posts)and believe me, Magats are pouring a ton of money into Pa. They had anti-Kamala ads 2 or 3 days after Joe stepped down.
Just saying, picking Shapiro locks up Pa. It's about numbers and the number is 270.
NBachers
(17,729 posts)Demsrule86
(70,540 posts)Celerity
(46,154 posts)Rule number one of VP picking (Trump is now finding this one out with the POS Vance, as did McCain with Palin) is do no harm.
It is not worth it, IMHO, to possibly (probably TBH) stir up an intra-party fight by picking Shapiro.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219247835#post17
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219246024#post38
Now, she may well choose Shapiro as her running mate, at which point I cease any further comment on any of it.
I am also sure that if he is the VP pick and some teachers and/or their unions (or anyone, TBF) complain about his support for vouchers they will be told to STFU, and the same (even more so I can almost guarantee knowing this board) for any critiques from people who disagree with his stances on the Israel v Palestine conflicts, but my point is... why risk it? Why court the potential (which I think is pretty likely) Sturm und Drang?
I am absolutely fine with any of the other VP front-runners, especially, at this point, Walz or Kelly or Beshear. The more I see of Walz, the more I like him, and he polls very well with the younger voters.
Tarc
(10,516 posts)I'd think we'd want a stabilizing presence in PA to keep the state reliably blue in the years to come. Politics is local.
gab13by13
(23,789 posts)"Raised in Montgomery County, Shapiro studied political science at the University of Rochester and earned his Juris Doctor degree from Georgetown University. After that he worked as a senior adviser to Senator Robert Torricelli. Shapiro was elected to the Pennsylvania House of Representatives in 2004, defeating former Republican U.S. representative Jon D. Fox. He represented the 153rd district from 2005 to 2012. Shapiro was elected to the Montgomery County Board of Commissioners in 2011, marking the first time Republicans lost control of Montgomery County. Serving on the board from 2011 to 2017, he held the position of chairman, and in 2015 was also appointed chairman of the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency by Governor Tom Wolf.
Shapiro ran for Pennsylvania attorney general in 2016, defeating Republican John Rafferty Jr., and was reelected in 2020. As attorney general, he released the findings of a statewide grand jury report that revealed the abuse of children by priests and coverup by church leaders; he also helped negotiate $1 billion for Pennsylvania as part of a national opioid settlement.
Shapiro ran for governor of Pennsylvania in the 2022 election. He ran unopposed in the Democratic primary and defeated Republican nominee Doug Mastriano in the general election by a 14.8 percent margin." Wiki.
Note: in the governor's race against Trump backed Mastriano, Shapiro got 15% of the Magat vote.
RandomNumbers
(18,048 posts)He is next level nutjob. 100 on a scale of 1 to 10.
Just sayin'.
Demsrule86
(70,540 posts)DemocratInPa
(713 posts)I love him as Governor, but don't want anything that can be used against us.
gab13by13
(23,789 posts)Jesus Christ isn't on any ballot. Shapiro doesn't rape couches.
edisdead
(3,117 posts)It was debunked but people are still running with it. See how that works?
FlyingPiggy
(3,659 posts)edisdead
(3,117 posts)Upthevibe
(8,754 posts)Are you kidding me about a Shapiro sex scandal?!
I feel the safest choice is Kelly....
But seriously, is there a sex scandal with Shapiro?
yorkster
(2,125 posts)Kaleva
(37,447 posts)Upthevibe
(8,754 posts)So not him personally....
DemocratInPa
(713 posts)I honestly don't like that at all, and I love JS as Governor..
Erin McCllelland one of his biggest allies has even come out and say JS shouldn't be the VP pick.
Kaleva
(37,447 posts)That would be about the only was Shapiro could be hurt by this.
DemocratInPa
(713 posts)I don't know how it could happen without his knowledge.
ARandomPerson
(2,474 posts)If you have evidence of wrongdoing, say so and tell us what it is.
If you don't -- if you just have your own "gut feeling" or whatever -- just shut up. Don't try to smear Shapiro based on no evidence, nothing. That is shitty behavior.
DemocratInPa
(713 posts)I am more worried about being on the defensive for the last 100 days instead of the offensive. As much as you hate tithe article sounds bad for JS and his office. They basically paid for this to go away.
https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-josh-shapiro-aide-sexual-harassment-296d605f3533ca7a38e9f2983e533059
ARandomPerson
(2,474 posts)It's a lot easier -- less time-consuming, less expensive -- to pay a settlement than it is go to litigation. Going before a jury is rolling the dice. There is always a finite chance, given how humans are, that they'll do something crazy. Safer just to settle.
There is nothing in this article that I would count against Shapiro.
And -- a broader point -- making arguments like this to damage people's careers, which is what you're doing, is shitty behavior. I said it before and I say it again.
DemocratInPa
(713 posts)liKE I said, I like JS alot, he has done amazing things for PA, but I don't want to take a chance with this type of stuff. Women may be turned off by it.
ARandomPerson
(2,474 posts)What Democratic women in PA are you talking about?
DemocratInPa
(713 posts)ARandomPerson
(2,474 posts)Other than the unnamed former SoS you can't remember?
DemocratInPa
(713 posts)ARandomPerson
(2,474 posts)DemocratInPa
(713 posts)We have nothing to lose with this election, right?
ARandomPerson
(2,474 posts)We have to show some backbone.
DemocratInPa
(713 posts)like I said, is it worth the risk when you have Kelly and others available.
ARandomPerson
(2,474 posts)I don't think you could have come up with words that I would find less convincing.
Unless you work at Meta or X and have access to their internal metrics, I do not think your assertion that there is backlash against Shapiro on social media holds any weight. It's not an objective or quantitative statement -- it's just vibes, it's whatever shows up on your (algorithm-curated) timeline, it's self-fulfilling because the algorithm always reinforces your preexisting dispositions.
I'm not even a big fan of Shapiro -- I like Walz better -- but this is an important decision. I definitely hope and expect that VP Harris will make it on reasonable grounds and not on bullshit.
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Demsrule86
(70,540 posts)You need a link or delete.
edisdead
(3,117 posts)FlyingPiggy
(3,659 posts)edisdead
(3,117 posts)Hang on to the media attention as long as possible. Then announcing it will grab the attention again for a while.
Tribetime
(5,481 posts)David hogg of florida wanted him
LZ1234
(261 posts)was one of the final choices, he's really a good speaker, he's been on MSNBC. He's only a few months older than Harris.
Tribetime
(5,481 posts)Patterson
(1,563 posts)Kaleva
(37,447 posts)RandomNumbers
(18,048 posts)through the insane PA state legislature. (Insanely run by insane Republicans who prefer children be stupid.)
The description I saw was Shapiro will support some voucher funding in exchange for public school funding.
Still a detractor for him in my book because I think he is WRONG to believe that even if he gets a good exchange now, that it would stay acceptable. Give the vouchers a foot in the door and they will run amok over public school funding, if not this year then within the next 5 to 10 years.
I see it more as an error in judgement (still bad) than an evil political position (which would be disqualifying).
Tribetime
(5,481 posts)OnDoutside
(20,522 posts)Arthur_Frain
(1,997 posts)nt
phoenix_rising
(279 posts)Ive seen that reporting about the short list and hope its not true, because IMHO it would be a mistake to pass up Pete.
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phoenix_rising
(279 posts)
but Ill be devastated. Just being honest.
Good question, though, because its true that not everyone will still vote for the ticket if hes not on it. I have an Arab-American friend who told me explicitly that she will only vote for a Harris/Buttigieg ticket. She has felt disenfranchised, but Pete speaks Arabic and that really impressed her. It feels like the bridge she needs to secure her vote. She realizes Trump would be worse, but if Petes not on the ticket, she said she will just write someone else in or not vote at all. It was interesting to hear that from my friend, because thats exactly what Michael Moore reported is happening with young Arab-Americans in Michigan. He said, The youth vote is down due to the Gazan war. The Arab American vote is essentially gone. So my friend is definitely not alone in feeling the way she does. But Pete lives in Michigan and could mobilize the youth vote and turn that around.
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mucholderthandirt
(654 posts)And a damned good one, fighting R-controlled state houses (and his own Lt. Governor). This is his last term, we're hoping and working to get Josh Stein.
He just turned 67, or will soon. He's about seven months older than I am. As far as I know, he has no political or personal scandals, is happily married and totally for Democratic principals. He's a fighter!
yardwork
(63,234 posts)Roy knows how to outwit Republicans and consistently fights for people's rights. I think he's completely fearless, and he comes across as your favorite uncle.
JanMichael
(25,096 posts)But has won 5 statewide elections in a row. 3 times Attorney General and 2 times Governor. May seem congenial but has to be pretty tough to keep that streak.
BluesRunTheGame
(1,757 posts)They just havent decided which one.
pinkstarburst
(1,535 posts)In 8 years, he would be 75. If we hope that whomever is picked as VP might be set up to be president one day, we're running into the same problems by choosing Cooper as we have now with Biden--a candidate who would be pushing 80 by the end of his term if elected. I think there are better choices.
yardwork
(63,234 posts)Roy might be perceived as no threat to others in the party who might be thinking about running in 8 years. Individual ambitions play a role in the choice, too.
Think of it as Obama-Biden. Without Trump's unexpected win in 2016, Biden never would have run. I don't think he or anyone else expected him to. He did it out of necessity because he could beat Trump, and he did.
pinkstarburst
(1,535 posts)with Biden has really changed how I feel about voting for a candidate over 75 going forward, especially for a 4 year term. I am not sure I would feel comfortable doing that after how everything played out and I suspect other voters may have reservations as well.
ARandomPerson
(2,474 posts)I think it is unwise to imagine that a VP pick locks us in for eight or 16 years.
The running mate helps the candidate get elected, helps the president govern, and stands ready to step in if necessary.
But every four years, we, the voters, get to pick and choose. We could very well choose somebody else.
Doodley
(9,786 posts)MineralMan
(146,924 posts)Demsrule86
(70,540 posts)He can deliver the must-win rust belt. Kelly is weak with unions.
lizardkingjr
(73 posts)it will be Walz.
Thrill
(19,232 posts)Hes done a great job here in NC. But hes not tough and mean enough for this election. Her VP has to be someone that will be good with sound bites and willing to get just as mean as the Republicans will be. Cooper is none of that
OneBlueDotS-Carolina
(1,422 posts)themaguffin
(4,107 posts)BComplex
(8,889 posts)Kamala and Roy Cooper are friends. Roy Cooper is my governor, and he has had to deal with a VETO PROOF LEGISLATURE in NC. North Carolina was bought and paid for by the Koch Brothers, and has been gerrymandered as bad as any state in the Union in favor of republicans...republicans, who would take money from the devil himself....and they obviously did.
He's a good guy, and if, Gawd forbid, anything ever did happen to Kamala, he would definitely be a great president.
NoMoreRepugs
(10,152 posts)onetexan
(13,460 posts)bdamomma
(64,955 posts)with Kelly!!
Sugarcoated
(7,958 posts)Central PA, just outside of Harrisburg. He's a great attack dog 👊👊👊