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VP Pick Is Down To 3 (Original Post) gab13by13 Jul 26 OP
I heard it's down to Cooper or Kelly. RandySF Jul 26 #1
What happened to rule out Shapiro? Blaukraut Jul 26 #2
We're winning or tied in Penn. kerry-is-my-prez Jul 26 #9
As long as it's not Cooper Blaukraut Jul 26 #10
Blaukraut ... Upthevibe Jul 27 #33
I understand the sentiment, but that's not Grown2Hate Jul 27 #41
My millennial sons want it to be Cooper. yardwork Jul 27 #49
He's a decent governor but he's borelax. Excitement 0. bullimiami Jul 27 #53
IYO. We won't know until it's announced, Ocelot II Jul 26 #3
We will know when we know. anciano Jul 26 #4
Food for thought for gab13by13 Jul 26 #5
Shapiro is great wryter2000 Jul 26 #26
Alex Wagner just reported MiKenMi33 Jul 26 #6
How does she know? Ocelot II Jul 26 #8
Alex Wagner reported MiKenMi33 Jul 26 #13
"Sources familiar with the campaign." Unnamed sources, that is. Ocelot II Jul 26 #16
Damn straight! WheelWalker Jul 26 #28
Just reported based on what? anciano Jul 26 #14
I trust her judgment. multigraincracker Jul 26 #7
I agree 100%. gab13by13 Jul 26 #12
Same. I just want a candidate that gives us the best chance of winning. FlyingPiggy Jul 27 #65
I live in Pa. gab13by13 Jul 26 #11
The big question- It's like a game of Pick-up Sticks. What will the removal of Shapiro do to the balance of power in PA? NBachers Jul 26 #17
We must have PA...thus Shapiro is the best choice. And he is pro-union. Demsrule86 Jul 27 #58
He is the only one who is likely to cause an intra-party schism (Israel/Palestinian conflict, plus school vouchers) Celerity Jul 27 #93
The prob with picking Shapiro is that he just got there Tarc Jul 26 #15
No, Shapiro didn't just get there, per Wiki; gab13by13 Jul 26 #18
To be clear, Mastriano is a whackjob of a whackjob. RandomNumbers Jul 27 #57
If we don't win the presidency, there will be no stability anywhere. Demsrule86 Jul 27 #60
I don't like the sex scandal Shapiro is being questioned on now.. DemocratInPa Jul 26 #19
There is no such thing as a perfect candidate, gab13by13 Jul 26 #20
Well neither did vance... edisdead Jul 26 #21
Then they can do that with anyone FlyingPiggy Jul 26 #23
pretty much. edisdead Jul 27 #56
DemocratInPa ........ Upthevibe Jul 27 #34
Someone in his admin. I think. yorkster Jul 27 #37
Someone in his staff was accused of sexual harassment Kaleva Jul 27 #38
Kaleva............ Upthevibe Jul 27 #40
No Kaleva Jul 27 #42
And there was a 295K pay off to the victim... DemocratInPa Jul 27 #66
Do you think JS was aware of it and did nothing? Kaleva Jul 27 #68
I am not sure, but it happened to one of his top aides, so.. DemocratInPa Jul 27 #71
Oh, c'mon. ARandomPerson Jul 27 #72
I am not trying to smear him FFS DemocratInPa Jul 27 #73
Settlements in cases like this mean almost nothing. ARandomPerson Jul 27 #74
Must be why there have been Democratic women in PA already going against him for VP.. DemocratInPa Jul 27 #75
Evidence? ARandomPerson Jul 27 #80
I think a former SOS came out also DemocratInPa Jul 27 #82
So a woman (singular) not women (plural)? ARandomPerson Jul 27 #83
I am sure there will be more DemocratInPa Jul 27 #84
You're sure? Oh well, in that case ... C'mon, be serious. ARandomPerson Jul 27 #86
Just take the risk, I mean.. DemocratInPa Jul 27 #87
Democrats can't just eat our own every time something makes us nervous. ARandomPerson Jul 27 #88
He is also getting a ton of backlash on social media about this.. DemocratInPa Jul 27 #89
"Backlash on social media" ARandomPerson Jul 27 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author ARandomPerson Jul 27 #81
I doubt that...there is no sex scandal...a sexual harrassment suit was settled...end of story. Demsrule86 Jul 27 #61
I just hope we slow play the naming of the VP edisdead Jul 26 #22
You mean to be announced at the convention? FlyingPiggy Jul 26 #24
Or just before it. edisdead Jul 27 #59
The more I see of Cooper the more I think it will be him Tribetime Jul 26 #25
I heard Walz LZ1234 Jul 26 #27
Yes I think Walz it will be Tribetime Jul 26 #31
Isn't Shapiro in favor of school vouchers? Patterson Jul 26 #29
Doesn't Harris will be Kaleva Jul 27 #39
Yep Emile Jul 27 #45
Really? Not an expert but I read it as a desperate attempt to get SOME school funding RandomNumbers Jul 27 #62
I think Tim Walz...Davig Hogg was recommending him for the youth vote Tribetime Jul 26 #30
What is it that would have the youth voting for him ? Genuine question. OnDoutside Jul 27 #43
Just ghosting Bashear like that? Arthur_Frain Jul 27 #32
I'm for Pete Buttigieg all the way! phoenix_rising Jul 27 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Rebl2 Jul 27 #64
Yes of course I'll still vote for her phoenix_rising Jul 27 #67
Based on.....? brooklynite Jul 27 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Rebl2 Jul 27 #44
Governor of North Carolina. mucholderthandirt Jul 27 #46
Roy Cooper, very popular Democratic governor in R-controlled state. yardwork Jul 27 #50
Interesting take. He is like your favorite uncle. JanMichael Jul 27 #85
I heard it's down to one! BluesRunTheGame Jul 27 #47
Cooper is 67. I think we need someone younger. pinkstarburst Jul 27 #48
That is a consideration, but others might see it differently. yardwork Jul 27 #51
Maybe. I just know that what happened this year pinkstarburst Jul 27 #70
This is a really good point. ARandomPerson Jul 27 #91
Mark Kelly is out of this world. He could make this campaign take off. He could put rocket boosters on this ticket. Doodley Jul 27 #52
Based on what, exactly? MineralMan Jul 27 #54
I would choose Shapiro... Demsrule86 Jul 27 #55
I have a feeling lizardkingjr Jul 27 #63
Cooper is a good guy. But the wrong choice in this election Thrill Jul 27 #69
See John Edwards of NC. n/t OneBlueDotS-Carolina Jul 27 #76
We don't know. themaguffin Jul 27 #77
We need Kelly in the Senate!!! The Senate is critical this year, and we need all the senators we can get!!! BComplex Jul 27 #78
IF it's amongst those 3 all are EONS better than CouchBoy. NoMoreRepugs Jul 27 #79
This is pure conjecture. I'll wait for a definitive announcement from Kamala's team. onetexan Jul 27 #90
I'm bdamomma Jul 27 #92
Harris and Shapiro are campaigning in PA today Sugarcoated Jul 27 #95

Blaukraut

(5,827 posts)
10. As long as it's not Cooper
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:22 PM
Jul 26

He's too old. We're just now regaining the youth enthusiasm. Let's not tamp it right back down again with an almost 70 year old. I like Cooper a lot, but if we're going young and energetic, we need to go all the way.

Grown2Hate

(2,087 posts)
41. I understand the sentiment, but that's not
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 02:10 AM
Jul 27

necessarily what the youth is looking at. David Hoagg says he and his group love Tim Walz (Gov of MN) because of his progressive credentials and his communication skills. Don't have to be young to speak to the youth vote.

yardwork

(63,234 posts)
49. My millennial sons want it to be Cooper.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 08:50 AM
Jul 27

They're excited and energized by Kamala and told me they would be very happy if she chose Cooper. We're in NC and they've seen how Roy has skillfully dealt with a Republican majority in our state legislature. He goes up against 100 Marjorie Taylor Greenes every day.

gab13by13

(23,789 posts)
5. Food for thought for
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:11 PM
Jul 26

Non-Pennsylvanians, Shapiro is very popular in Pa. He beat Magat Mastreano and got 15% votes from Magats.

MiKenMi33

(79 posts)
13. Alex Wagner reported
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:26 PM
Jul 26

There are 12 names under consideration but according to sources familiar with the campaign, Vice President Harris has whittled the list down to these 3 as the top contenders.

Ocelot II

(119,038 posts)
16. "Sources familiar with the campaign." Unnamed sources, that is.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:34 PM
Jul 26

We won't know until Harris announces it, and whoever it turns out to be will be a great choice.

FlyingPiggy

(3,659 posts)
65. Same. I just want a candidate that gives us the best chance of winning.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 10:36 AM
Jul 27

And I trust her team will advise just that.

gab13by13

(23,789 posts)
11. I live in Pa.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:24 PM
Jul 26

and believe me, Magats are pouring a ton of money into Pa. They had anti-Kamala ads 2 or 3 days after Joe stepped down.

Just saying, picking Shapiro locks up Pa. It's about numbers and the number is 270.

NBachers

(17,729 posts)
17. The big question- It's like a game of Pick-up Sticks. What will the removal of Shapiro do to the balance of power in PA?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:40 PM
Jul 26

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
93. He is the only one who is likely to cause an intra-party schism (Israel/Palestinian conflict, plus school vouchers)
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 02:43 PM
Jul 27

Rule number one of VP picking (Trump is now finding this one out with the POS Vance, as did McCain with Palin) is do no harm.

It is not worth it, IMHO, to possibly (probably TBH) stir up an intra-party fight by picking Shapiro.

Shapiro's voucher veto (after real intra-party pressure) was in mid 2023, but he supported vouchers again after that, in February of this year (and may well next year) but came to a compromise for the sake of unity in an election year.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219247835#post17



And this article is about his I/P stances (including comparing protesters to the KKK, and also, long before October 7th, supporting likely unconstitutional anti-BDS stances)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219246024#post38


Now, she may well choose Shapiro as her running mate, at which point I cease any further comment on any of it.

I am also sure that if he is the VP pick and some teachers and/or their unions (or anyone, TBF) complain about his support for vouchers they will be told to STFU, and the same (even more so I can almost guarantee knowing this board) for any critiques from people who disagree with his stances on the Israel v Palestine conflicts, but my point is... why risk it? Why court the potential (which I think is pretty likely) Sturm und Drang?

I am absolutely fine with any of the other VP front-runners, especially, at this point, Walz or Kelly or Beshear. The more I see of Walz, the more I like him, and he polls very well with the younger voters.

Tarc

(10,516 posts)
15. The prob with picking Shapiro is that he just got there
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:30 PM
Jul 26

I'd think we'd want a stabilizing presence in PA to keep the state reliably blue in the years to come. Politics is local.

gab13by13

(23,789 posts)
18. No, Shapiro didn't just get there, per Wiki;
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:55 PM
Jul 26

"Raised in Montgomery County, Shapiro studied political science at the University of Rochester and earned his Juris Doctor degree from Georgetown University. After that he worked as a senior adviser to Senator Robert Torricelli. Shapiro was elected to the Pennsylvania House of Representatives in 2004, defeating former Republican U.S. representative Jon D. Fox. He represented the 153rd district from 2005 to 2012. Shapiro was elected to the Montgomery County Board of Commissioners in 2011, marking the first time Republicans lost control of Montgomery County. Serving on the board from 2011 to 2017, he held the position of chairman, and in 2015 was also appointed chairman of the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency by Governor Tom Wolf.

Shapiro ran for Pennsylvania attorney general in 2016, defeating Republican John Rafferty Jr., and was reelected in 2020. As attorney general, he released the findings of a statewide grand jury report that revealed the abuse of children by priests and coverup by church leaders; he also helped negotiate $1 billion for Pennsylvania as part of a national opioid settlement.

Shapiro ran for governor of Pennsylvania in the 2022 election. He ran unopposed in the Democratic primary and defeated Republican nominee Doug Mastriano in the general election by a 14.8 percent margin." Wiki.

Note: in the governor's race against Trump backed Mastriano, Shapiro got 15% of the Magat vote.

RandomNumbers

(18,048 posts)
57. To be clear, Mastriano is a whackjob of a whackjob.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 10:11 AM
Jul 27

He is next level nutjob. 100 on a scale of 1 to 10.

Just sayin'.

DemocratInPa

(713 posts)
19. I don't like the sex scandal Shapiro is being questioned on now..
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:59 PM
Jul 26

I love him as Governor, but don't want anything that can be used against us.

gab13by13

(23,789 posts)
20. There is no such thing as a perfect candidate,
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 11:05 PM
Jul 26

Jesus Christ isn't on any ballot. Shapiro doesn't rape couches.

Upthevibe

(8,754 posts)
34. DemocratInPa ........
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 12:27 AM
Jul 27

Are you kidding me about a Shapiro sex scandal?!

I feel the safest choice is Kelly....

But seriously, is there a sex scandal with Shapiro?

DemocratInPa

(713 posts)
66. And there was a 295K pay off to the victim...
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 10:46 AM
Jul 27

I honestly don't like that at all, and I love JS as Governor..

Erin McCllelland one of his biggest allies has even come out and say JS shouldn't be the VP pick.

Kaleva

(37,447 posts)
68. Do you think JS was aware of it and did nothing?
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:43 AM
Jul 27

That would be about the only was Shapiro could be hurt by this.

DemocratInPa

(713 posts)
71. I am not sure, but it happened to one of his top aides, so..
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:24 PM
Jul 27

I don't know how it could happen without his knowledge.

ARandomPerson

(2,474 posts)
72. Oh, c'mon.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:28 PM
Jul 27

If you have evidence of wrongdoing, say so and tell us what it is.

If you don't -- if you just have your own "gut feeling" or whatever -- just shut up. Don't try to smear Shapiro based on no evidence, nothing. That is shitty behavior.

DemocratInPa

(713 posts)
73. I am not trying to smear him FFS
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:31 PM
Jul 27

I am more worried about being on the defensive for the last 100 days instead of the offensive. As much as you hate tithe article sounds bad for JS and his office. They basically paid for this to go away.
https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-josh-shapiro-aide-sexual-harassment-296d605f3533ca7a38e9f2983e533059

ARandomPerson

(2,474 posts)
74. Settlements in cases like this mean almost nothing.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:37 PM
Jul 27

It's a lot easier -- less time-consuming, less expensive -- to pay a settlement than it is go to litigation. Going before a jury is rolling the dice. There is always a finite chance, given how humans are, that they'll do something crazy. Safer just to settle.

There is nothing in this article that I would count against Shapiro.

And -- a broader point -- making arguments like this to damage people's careers, which is what you're doing, is shitty behavior. I said it before and I say it again.

DemocratInPa

(713 posts)
75. Must be why there have been Democratic women in PA already going against him for VP..
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:39 PM
Jul 27

liKE I said, I like JS alot, he has done amazing things for PA, but I don't want to take a chance with this type of stuff. Women may be turned off by it.

DemocratInPa

(713 posts)
89. He is also getting a ton of backlash on social media about this..
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 02:23 PM
Jul 27

like I said, is it worth the risk when you have Kelly and others available.

ARandomPerson

(2,474 posts)
94. "Backlash on social media"
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 02:58 PM
Jul 27

I don't think you could have come up with words that I would find less convincing.

Unless you work at Meta or X and have access to their internal metrics, I do not think your assertion that there is backlash against Shapiro on social media holds any weight. It's not an objective or quantitative statement -- it's just vibes, it's whatever shows up on your (algorithm-curated) timeline, it's self-fulfilling because the algorithm always reinforces your preexisting dispositions.

I'm not even a big fan of Shapiro -- I like Walz better -- but this is an important decision. I definitely hope and expect that VP Harris will make it on reasonable grounds and not on bullshit.




Response to DemocratInPa (Reply #75)

Demsrule86

(70,540 posts)
61. I doubt that...there is no sex scandal...a sexual harrassment suit was settled...end of story.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 10:15 AM
Jul 27

You need a link or delete.

edisdead

(3,117 posts)
59. Or just before it.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 10:12 AM
Jul 27

Hang on to the media attention as long as possible. Then announcing it will grab the attention again for a while.

LZ1234

(261 posts)
27. I heard Walz
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 11:35 PM
Jul 26

was one of the final choices, he's really a good speaker, he's been on MSNBC. He's only a few months older than Harris.

RandomNumbers

(18,048 posts)
62. Really? Not an expert but I read it as a desperate attempt to get SOME school funding
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 10:15 AM
Jul 27

through the insane PA state legislature. (Insanely run by insane Republicans who prefer children be stupid.)

The description I saw was Shapiro will support some voucher funding in exchange for public school funding.

Still a detractor for him in my book because I think he is WRONG to believe that even if he gets a good exchange now, that it would stay acceptable. Give the vouchers a foot in the door and they will run amok over public school funding, if not this year then within the next 5 to 10 years.

I see it more as an error in judgement (still bad) than an evil political position (which would be disqualifying).

phoenix_rising

(279 posts)
35. I'm for Pete Buttigieg all the way!
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 12:46 AM
Jul 27

I’ve seen that reporting about the short list and hope it’s not true, because IMHO it would be a mistake to pass up Pete.

Response to phoenix_rising (Reply #35)

phoenix_rising

(279 posts)
67. Yes of course I'll still vote for her
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:09 AM
Jul 27

…but I’ll be devastated. Just being honest.

Good question, though, because it’s true that not everyone will still vote for the ticket if he’s not on it. I have an Arab-American friend who told me explicitly that she will only vote for a Harris/Buttigieg ticket. She has felt disenfranchised, but Pete speaks Arabic and that really impressed her. It feels like the bridge she needs to secure her vote. She realizes Trump would be worse, but if Pete’s not on the ticket, she said she will just write someone else in or not vote at all. It was interesting to hear that from my friend, because that’s exactly what Michael Moore reported is happening with young Arab-Americans in Michigan. He said, “The youth vote is down due to the Gazan war. The Arab American vote is essentially gone.” So my friend is definitely not alone in feeling the way she does. But Pete lives in Michigan and could mobilize the youth vote and turn that around.

Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

mucholderthandirt

(654 posts)
46. Governor of North Carolina.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 07:29 AM
Jul 27

And a damned good one, fighting R-controlled state houses (and his own Lt. Governor). This is his last term, we're hoping and working to get Josh Stein.

He just turned 67, or will soon. He's about seven months older than I am. As far as I know, he has no political or personal scandals, is happily married and totally for Democratic principals. He's a fighter!

yardwork

(63,234 posts)
50. Roy Cooper, very popular Democratic governor in R-controlled state.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 08:57 AM
Jul 27

Roy knows how to outwit Republicans and consistently fights for people's rights. I think he's completely fearless, and he comes across as your favorite uncle.

JanMichael

(25,096 posts)
85. Interesting take. He is like your favorite uncle.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 02:20 PM
Jul 27

But has won 5 statewide elections in a row. 3 times Attorney General and 2 times Governor. May seem congenial but has to be pretty tough to keep that streak.

pinkstarburst

(1,535 posts)
48. Cooper is 67. I think we need someone younger.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 08:45 AM
Jul 27

In 8 years, he would be 75. If we hope that whomever is picked as VP might be set up to be president one day, we're running into the same problems by choosing Cooper as we have now with Biden--a candidate who would be pushing 80 by the end of his term if elected. I think there are better choices.

yardwork

(63,234 posts)
51. That is a consideration, but others might see it differently.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 09:01 AM
Jul 27

Roy might be perceived as no threat to others in the party who might be thinking about running in 8 years. Individual ambitions play a role in the choice, too.

Think of it as Obama-Biden. Without Trump's unexpected win in 2016, Biden never would have run. I don't think he or anyone else expected him to. He did it out of necessity because he could beat Trump, and he did.

pinkstarburst

(1,535 posts)
70. Maybe. I just know that what happened this year
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 12:04 PM
Jul 27

with Biden has really changed how I feel about voting for a candidate over 75 going forward, especially for a 4 year term. I am not sure I would feel comfortable doing that after how everything played out and I suspect other voters may have reservations as well.

ARandomPerson

(2,474 posts)
91. This is a really good point.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 02:42 PM
Jul 27

I think it is unwise to imagine that a VP pick locks us in for eight or 16 years.

The running mate helps the candidate get elected, helps the president govern, and stands ready to step in if necessary.

But every four years, we, the voters, get to pick and choose. We could very well choose somebody else.

Doodley

(9,786 posts)
52. Mark Kelly is out of this world. He could make this campaign take off. He could put rocket boosters on this ticket.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 09:44 AM
Jul 27

Thrill

(19,232 posts)
69. Cooper is a good guy. But the wrong choice in this election
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:56 AM
Jul 27

He’s done a great job here in NC. But he’s not tough and mean enough for this election. Her VP has to be someone that will be good with sound bites and willing to get just as mean as the Republicans will be. Cooper is none of that

BComplex

(8,889 posts)
78. We need Kelly in the Senate!!! The Senate is critical this year, and we need all the senators we can get!!!
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:49 PM
Jul 27

Kamala and Roy Cooper are friends. Roy Cooper is my governor, and he has had to deal with a VETO PROOF LEGISLATURE in NC. North Carolina was bought and paid for by the Koch Brothers, and has been gerrymandered as bad as any state in the Union in favor of republicans...republicans, who would take money from the devil himself....and they obviously did.

He's a good guy, and if, Gawd forbid, anything ever did happen to Kamala, he would definitely be a great president.

Sugarcoated

(7,958 posts)
95. Harris and Shapiro are campaigning in PA today
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:03 PM
Jul 27

Central PA, just outside of Harrisburg. He's a great attack dog 👊👊👊

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