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oasis

(53,304 posts)
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:42 PM Jul 2024

Did I hear Eddie Glaude correctly?

Seems like he was messaging Kamala NOT to pick Gov. Josh Shapiro for Veep.
MSNBC on Stephenie Rhule Show.

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Did I hear Eddie Glaude correctly? (Original Post) oasis Jul 2024 OP
Sounded like that to me n/t MiniMe Jul 2024 #1
Eddie should just STFU. He torpedoed Hillary oasis Jul 2024 #5
I've had a Prof Eddie bug in my ass since Hillary that I can't get rid of. IA8IT Jul 2024 #79
I've mellowed on Eddie these past few years oasis Jul 2024 #82
I missed it AmBlue Jul 2024 #2
Eddie was droning on about "do no harm". oasis Jul 2024 #7
wTF does he Cha Jul 2024 #15
The "learned" Prof. is back on my shit list. oasis Jul 2024 #17
"It's insane how they all kept a straight face as Eddie Glaude discussed how we got here without disclosing .. " Cha Jul 2024 #22
How better off we all would be without oasis Jul 2024 #23
YOu're Welcome, oasis.. TY for the Thread.. Cha Jul 2024 #24
I don't disagree with that. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2024 #36
Kaine was absolutely a do no harm pick Cosmocat Jul 2024 #56
I don't disagree. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2024 #63
Yep Cosmocat Jul 2024 #88
Awful pic in my opinion onandup Jul 2024 #75
It was a mistake. He brought nothing and deflated many. Nanjeanne Jul 2024 #46
Glaude wasn't voting for Hillary no matter oasis Jul 2024 #47
I was talking about Kaine. Not Glaude. You don't like Glaude and that's fine. Nothing to do with my point. Nanjeanne Jul 2024 #49
Kaine is H2O Man Jul 2024 #76
How was it a mistake? karynnj Jul 2024 #89
Glaude likely preferred an ultra liberal VP. oasis Jul 2024 #91
Isn't Shapiro in favor of school vouchers? Patterson Jul 2024 #3
Dunno for sure. What I do know is,Glaude oasis Jul 2024 #18
No. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2024 #35
...and yet it's all over the internet that Shapiro backs vouchers. FalloutShelter Jul 2024 #54
The main issue is that he (of all the possible VP picks mentioned so far) is the most likely to cause an intra-party Celerity Jul 2024 #38
Disqualifying to me Doc Sportello Jul 2024 #42
Yes he is! Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #65
If I remember correctly Eddie Glaude refused to vote for Hillary in the general election, so I wouldn't JohnSJ Jul 2024 #4
anyone who didn't vote for Hillary essentially voted for Trump Skittles Jul 2024 #11
Glaude is proud of working to defeat Clinton LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #30
And never even apologized OnDoutside Jul 2024 #33
Yes, you remember correctly SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #62
He clearly said that is not what he is saying. David Hogg said it. He was making the argument that she should pick s tulipsandroses Jul 2024 #6
Thank you ... rog Jul 2024 #9
Prof. Glaude can give his opinion on Trump oasis Jul 2024 #10
Glaude also said Hillary's VP pick of Caine oasis Jul 2024 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jul 2024 #20
why would Shapiro "dampen the youth enthusiam"? Skittles Jul 2024 #21
Because he doesn't support Hamas. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2024 #37
Neither do most who are against the Netanyahu genocide RedArkGuy Jul 2024 #41
thank you Skittles Jul 2024 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author Duncan Grant Jul 2024 #74
yeah OK Skittles Jul 2024 #83
Are you intentionally framing everyone against the level of destruction of Gaza as supporting Hamas karynnj Jul 2024 #90
I agree with him Arthur_Frain Jul 2024 #8
And that's okay. You're not on national tv. oasis Jul 2024 #12
Guess I really don't even know who Glaude is. Arthur_Frain Jul 2024 #13
Perhaps your disdain for Professor Glaude is clouding your analysis tulipsandroses Jul 2024 #14
So what Hogg said it first? Glaude's "repeat" oasis Jul 2024 #19
Yeah, Eddie Gaude Jr Sure spoke his mind in 2016 Cha Jul 2024 #25
Hogg and Glaude are not the first and far from the only ones who have concerns over a possible intra-party rift Celerity Jul 2024 #40
Eddie... mamajudi Jul 2024 #26
Yes elleng Jul 2024 #27
What in the fuck is wrong with Josh Shapiro? Mr. Scorpio Jul 2024 #28
I believe the two issues some have are SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #34
Except he vetoed the school voucher legislation. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #58
Funny SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #59
Actions are where it's at for me. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #60
But it may not be for others SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #61
Well clearly. There are people voting for a rapist who murdered a million people by lying, onecaliberal Jul 2024 #64
They may not be voting for Trump SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #66
There isn't a unicorn. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #67
Never said there was SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #68
I trust them to do the right thing. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #70
Me too SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #71
The issue is not done. That veto was in mid 2023, he supported them again after that, this year (and may well next year) Celerity Jul 2024 #72
"Vetoed the school voucher." Thank you. oasis Jul 2024 #69
That poster is leaving a lot out (including Shapiro's post-2023-veto support of them again earlier in 2024), see post 72 Celerity Jul 2024 #73
To be clear, I'm not necessarily pro Shapiro. oasis Jul 2024 #77
I understood that (saw another post of yours). I was only adding additional information to show that it Celerity Jul 2024 #78
see post 38 (& Glaude is far from the only person talking about this, I've seen it mentioned dozens of times by others) Celerity Jul 2024 #39
There's also the internal office coverup of some sexual harassment issues Blue_Adept Jul 2024 #55
I cannot stand Eddie Glaude and went back to the Olympics opening when I saw that he was on MSNBC LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #29
💯 OnDoutside Jul 2024 #32
Eddie Glaude is still a thing ? OnDoutside Jul 2024 #31
All the Bush administration alums at msnbc love him. comradebillyboy Jul 2024 #80
Don't they just ! He was a gold medal player in 2016. OnDoutside Jul 2024 #86
Shapiro supports Project 2025 tenet. Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #43
Shapiro wouldn't have gotten this far in the oasis Jul 2024 #45
He has publicly stated his support Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #48
Harris and her team will choose. I'm gonna oasis Jul 2024 #52
Just say no. Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #50
why are so many of these Gaza advocates so disruptive to the party? bigtree Jul 2024 #44
He's a highly educated, ego driven, knucklehead. oasis Jul 2024 #51
Yeah, he's only at about 57% favorable in PA. kentuck Jul 2024 #53
I'm not big on Shapiro, I just don't like the oasis Jul 2024 #57
Luckily Sugarcoated Jul 2024 #81
Who is Eddie Glaude and why should I care what he thinks? Autumn Jul 2024 #85
Prof. of African American studies Princeton oasis Jul 2024 #87

oasis

(53,304 posts)
5. Eddie should just STFU. He torpedoed Hillary
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:50 PM
Jul 2024

in 2016. We have to deal with Trump because of “friends” like Prof. Eddie “know it all”.

oasis

(53,304 posts)
7. Eddie was droning on about "do no harm".
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:53 PM
Jul 2024

He said Hillary’s VP pick of Sen .Tim Caine was a mistake.

Cha

(316,437 posts)
15. wTF does he
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 11:18 PM
Jul 2024

Know. He made a big deal about Not voting for Hillary in the GE

And guess Why M$m has him on.

I hate the GD media

Cha

(316,437 posts)
22. "It's insane how they all kept a straight face as Eddie Glaude discussed how we got here without disclosing .. "
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 12:23 AM
Jul 2024


Well, that's the GD M$M for ya.. Assholes.. and a FU to eddie gaude Jr.

oasis

(53,304 posts)
23. How better off we all would be without
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 12:30 AM
Jul 2024

Prof. Glaude’s 2 cents.

Mahalo Cha for the video reminder.

Cha

(316,437 posts)
24. YOu're Welcome, oasis.. TY for the Thread..
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 12:45 AM
Jul 2024

He and his ilk Disgust me beyond Repair.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,825 posts)
36. I don't disagree with that.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 04:53 AM
Jul 2024

Kaine brought nothing to the table. He was so bad that Mike Pence beat him in their debate. But all of that is irrelevant at this point.

Cosmocat

(15,333 posts)
56. Kaine was absolutely a do no harm pick
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 09:55 AM
Jul 2024

At the time it made sense, maybe it hurt.

Shapiro isn't Kaine.

Kaine was stiff and 1950ish.

Shapiro almost assuredly puts PA in their pocket, and comes off much better than Kaine.

Cosmocat

(15,333 posts)
88. Yep
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 08:56 AM
Jul 2024

Don't want to lose him, but he seems like a really good fit, though there are other good choices.

oasis

(53,304 posts)
47. Glaude wasn't voting for Hillary no matter
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 09:12 AM
Jul 2024

who she picked for her VP. His stand against Hillary’s candidacy probably influenced thousands of potential Democratic voters. Votes that were desperately needed in 2016.

Because Glaude had the same Susan Sarandon type stubbornness, we are still dealing with Trump and MAGAmaniacs.

Nanjeanne

(6,492 posts)
49. I was talking about Kaine. Not Glaude. You don't like Glaude and that's fine. Nothing to do with my point.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 09:21 AM
Jul 2024

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
76. Kaine is
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:59 AM
Jul 2024

a good man. He had been considered for VP in 2008. He had a heck of a strong background of experience in domestic policy and intelligence. However, he bombed in the debate against Pence, by == among other things -- interrupting the glass of milk some seventy times. Still, Pence had an equally weak showing.

How a man or woman performs in office is distinct from their ability to campaign. So on one hand, Kaine was a good choice in what would make a solid VP.. Tim was absolutely a highly qualified choice. Yet his experience in campaigning for either himself or Obama was regional, not national. He appeared nervous on the big stage. And he wasn't delivering wins in contested states -- though the campaign itself was responsible, not him, and they were way too over confident.

Tim and his wife are among the most honest, decent people in DC, ever.

karynnj

(60,765 posts)
89. How was it a mistake?
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 09:00 AM
Jul 2024

I have read a long list of people or things that hurt HRC, but never saw Tim Kaine as a reason. In fact, he might have been the very essence of a do no harm choice.

oasis

(53,304 posts)
91. Glaude likely preferred an ultra liberal VP.
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 12:45 PM
Jul 2024

Dunno if that would’ve moved him to endorse Hillary, but it might have helped.
Glaude’s high level of intellect doesn’t mean he can’t be full of shit on some of his ideas.

oasis

(53,304 posts)
18. Dunno for sure. What I do know is,Glaude
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 11:30 PM
Jul 2024

needs to keep a low profile in assessing who should be on our Dem ticket after he vociferously refused to vote for Hillary in 2016.

FalloutShelter

(14,133 posts)
54. ...and yet it's all over the internet that Shapiro backs vouchers.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 09:53 AM
Jul 2024

Maybe someone should listen to people who actually LIVE in PA.

Celerity

(53,548 posts)
38. The main issue is that he (of all the possible VP picks mentioned so far) is the most likely to cause an intra-party
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 05:08 AM
Jul 2024

shism over the Israel/Palestine war and other protest actions that pre-date October 7th. It makes little sense, IMHO to inject that drama unnecessarily into the mix.



The One Vice Presidential Pick Who Could Ruin Democratic Unity

Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro is a leading candidate to be Kamala Harris’s running mate. Selecting him would fracture the party.

https://newrepublic.com/article/184151/one-vice-president-ruin-democratic-unity-josh-shapiro

snip

Unfortunately, Shapiro also stands out among the current field of potential running mates as being egregiously bad on Palestine. It’s not just that he, like many Democrats, is an outspoken supporter of Israel—though he certainly is, having championed Israel’s war against Hamas consistently and without any apparent concern for Palestinian civilians. Shapiro has, moreover, done far more than most Democrats to attack pro-Palestine antiwar demonstrators, in ways that call into question his basic commitment to First Amendment rights. In his previous role as Pennsylvania attorney general, Shapiro championed the state’s constitutionally dubious anti-BDS (boycott, divestment, sanctions) law against Ben & Jerry’s after the ice cream maker refused to license its product for sale in Israeli settlements. “BDS is rooted in antisemitism,” Shapiro wrote in a statement in 2021, as he condemned a company named for its two Jewish American founders. “The stated goal of this amorphous movement is the removal of Jewish citizens from the region and I strongly oppose their efforts.”

As governor, Shapiro’s particular animus against pro-Palestine activism has only grown more apparent and troubling. Last December, he played an active role in the GOP-orchestrated sacking of University of Pennsylvania President Liz Magill. During a visit to Goldie, the popular Philadelphia restaurant co-owned by the Israeli-born celebrity chef Michael Solomonov, Shapiro condemned Magill’s testimony on alleged antisemitism on the Ivy League campus before Representative Elise Stefanik, the MAGA right’s grand inquisitor. “That was an unacceptable statement from the president of Penn,” Shapiro said, referring to Magill’s unwillingness to accept Stefanik’s slippery framing on what constitutes antisemitism. “Frankly, I thought her comments were absolutely shameful. It should not be hard to condemn genocide.” Magill resigned four days after her testimony and three days after Shapiro’s statement, legitimizing the GOP’s wider assault on academic freedom, which would be repeated successfully against Harvard President Claudine Gay weeks later.

In April, Shapiro’s office baselessly claimed that a peaceful pro-Palestine encampment on the Penn campus threatened student safety. “If the universities in accordance with their policies can’t guarantee the safety and security and well-being of the students, then I think it is incumbent upon a local mayor or local governor or local town councilor, whoever is the local leadership there, to step in and enforce the law,” Shapiro told Politico at the time. In May, he urged Penn to shut down the encampment completely. “The University of Pennsylvania has an obligation to their safety,” he said, once again alluding to nonexistent threats to the physical well-being of Jewish students. “It is past time for the university to act, to address this, to disband the encampment, and to restore order and safety on campus.” The university complied; one day and 33 arrests later, Shapiro’s office said Penn “made the right decision.”

That same week, The New York Times profiled Shapiro as one to watch in his party with the headline “A Rising Democrat Leans Into the Campus Fight Over Antisemitism.” In that piece, Shapiro made clear the low regard in which he holds pro-Palestine campus activists. “If you had a group of white supremacists camped out and yelling racial slurs every day, that would be met with a different response than antisemites camped out, yelling antisemitic tropes,” he told the Times. (This echoed a statement made in an earlier interview in which he compared campus protesters to the Ku Klux Klan.) Then, in an executive order, Shapiro updated his administration’s code of conduct to forbid state employees from engaging in “scandalous or disgraceful” behavior, a vaguely worded instruction that civil libertarians immediately interpreted as threatening pro-Palestine speech.

snip

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
42. Disqualifying to me
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 07:45 AM
Jul 2024

Of course I will vote and donate to Harris regardless but his choice would hurt Democrats in Michigan and with younger voters. In a close race that could matter.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
4. If I remember correctly Eddie Glaude refused to vote for Hillary in the general election, so I wouldn't
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:49 PM
Jul 2024

hold too much credibility for his opinion. If he didn’t realize how important it was to vote for Hillary in 2016, then he isn’t particularly bright

LetMyPeopleVote

(174,270 posts)
30. Glaude is proud of working to defeat Clinton
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:46 AM
Jul 2024

I turn off the TV or change channels when Glaude is on


tulipsandroses

(8,116 posts)
6. He clearly said that is not what he is saying. David Hogg said it. He was making the argument that she should pick s
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:52 PM
Jul 2024

someone who does not dampen the youth enthusiasm. Context matters. Stephanie asked him again if that was what he was saying and he said no, and expanded on that thought.

And even if he did. What would be the problem with him saying it? Everyone else is weighing in on who they think it should or should not be.
In this case, though, that was not the context of what he was saying.

rog

(913 posts)
9. Thank you ...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:55 PM
Jul 2024

... that is how I heard it, too.

Edited to add that his final comment was great, as well. He said he has not been a big fan of the Democratic Party because they have been too tethered to the past, but now they are his MVP, because they are offering a future in which we can be together in a different way.

oasis

(53,304 posts)
10. Prof. Glaude can give his opinion on Trump
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:58 PM
Jul 2024

as much as he likes, but after he helped sink Hillary’s 2016 campaign, he had better limit his commentary to attacking the enemy.

oasis

(53,304 posts)
16. Glaude also said Hillary's VP pick of Caine
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 11:20 PM
Jul 2024

was a mistake. I know for sure that wasn’t out of context.

Response to tulipsandroses (Reply #6)

BlueTsunami2018

(4,825 posts)
37. Because he doesn't support Hamas.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 04:55 AM
Jul 2024

He’s not on the side of the radical idiots who trashed DC the other day.

RedArkGuy

(868 posts)
41. Neither do most who are against the Netanyahu genocide
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 06:41 AM
Jul 2024

And many of us who oppose Netanyahu's decision to go to war against Gaza's civilians while letting Gaza leaders remain comfortably in exile can make the distinction between protesting IDF war crimes and support Hamas.

Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #37)

karynnj

(60,765 posts)
90. Are you intentionally framing everyone against the level of destruction of Gaza as supporting Hamas
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 09:16 AM
Jul 2024

I know Netanyahu did that in his speech implying if you are not all in supporting his policy on the war, you are for Hamas. Netanyahu, at this point,, is not support by a large majority of people in Israel.. Kamala Harris was brilliant in her comments after meeting with Netanyahu.

The half of the Democratic caucus that stayed away and most of the protesters reject Netanyahu and want a ceasefire that leads to a more peaceful future.

As to Shapiro, I like many of the possible VPs. Everyone I have heard mentioned is pretty impressive when they are looked at. It may come down to who can echo Harris' joy, energy - all are close on basic values and issues. On issues, they will not espouse anything Harris disagrees with. I trust Harris and her vetting team to pick a good vp.

oasis

(53,304 posts)
12. And that's okay. You're not on national tv.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 11:06 PM
Jul 2024

I wouldn’t much care if Glaude said who he preferred.
He was way out of bounds putting the kibosh on Josh Shapiro. And he raised his voice in the process of his rejection.&

Arthur_Frain

(2,263 posts)
13. Guess I really don't even know who Glaude is.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 11:09 PM
Jul 2024

My bad. There's already been tons of speculation on who will be VP. Still have to wait for the DNC to nominate Kamala.

tulipsandroses

(8,116 posts)
14. Perhaps your disdain for Professor Glaude is clouding your analysis
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 11:10 PM
Jul 2024

Even if he did frame it the way you claim ( He did not) - We still live in America. People are still allowed to speak their mind.
Interesting that you choose to go after Professor Glaude instead of who actually said it. David Hogg.
Anyhoo, this is a free forum for folks to rant. I get it. I rant every now and then too.
Peace.

oasis

(53,304 posts)
19. So what Hogg said it first? Glaude's "repeat"
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 11:35 PM
Jul 2024

has the same effect as a “retweet”. You heard it your way and that’s okay by me.
Have a good night.

Celerity

(53,548 posts)
40. Hogg and Glaude are not the first and far from the only ones who have concerns over a possible intra-party rift
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 05:31 AM
Jul 2024

over Shapiro and the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219246024#post38

mamajudi

(72 posts)
26. Eddie...
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:18 AM
Jul 2024

I can't figure him out. I've got it on for the 3rd time tonight...yeh, I know.. Nothing on!! Not really listening it's just on. Haven't heard his opinion, but I often feel I don't know exactly what he's getting at. He always seems a bit angry to me. It's too late tonight to wait for it. I just know I'm not always agreeing with him.

Mr. Scorpio

(73,761 posts)
28. What in the fuck is wrong with Josh Shapiro?
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:34 AM
Jul 2024

That was the first negative thing that I've heard about this and Glaude declined to elaborate.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,656 posts)
34. I believe the two issues some have are
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 04:42 AM
Jul 2024

His support for school vouchers & charter schools and he recently compared anti-war protesters to the KKK.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,656 posts)
59. Funny
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 10:38 AM
Jul 2024

I heard the issue brought up by people on the left. And vetoing one bill doesn’t matter if he has publicly supported vouchers for years.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
60. Actions are where it's at for me.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 10:42 AM
Jul 2024

Talk is cheap. Vouchers are NOT a thing because HE vetoed.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,656 posts)
61. But it may not be for others
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 10:58 AM
Jul 2024

Different people think differently. Regardless of the veto of one bill, others may be concerned about his support for them.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
64. Well clearly. There are people voting for a rapist who murdered a million people by lying,
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:07 AM
Jul 2024

I’m done listening. I’m working and watching actions.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,656 posts)
66. They may not be voting for Trump
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:13 AM
Jul 2024

They might vote third party or might not vote at all. We can't afford to dismiss the concerns of others because they might not agree with is 100% on every issue. It's all about winning the election and nothing else.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
67. There isn't a unicorn.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:22 AM
Jul 2024

I am making calls for the Newsom team into battleground states. Not a single person has mentioned the VP being a deal breaker.
Trump is talking about no more elections. Concentrate on getting the ticket elected and not what talking heads are lying about.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,656 posts)
68. Never said there was
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:34 AM
Jul 2024

And the campaign needs to access the positives and negatives of every possible running mate and choose who puts us in the best position to win the election.

Celerity

(53,548 posts)
72. The issue is not done. That veto was in mid 2023, he supported them again after that, this year (and may well next year)
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:37 AM
Jul 2024
but came to a compromise for the sake of unity in an election year.



Despite Jay-Z and Josh Shapiro’s support, Pa. didn’t approve school vouchers this year. Here’s why.

Instead, legislative leaders reached a budget deal that includes expanding existing tax credit programs to help families send their children to private schools.

Published July 22, 2024

https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylvania/school-voucher-pa-budget-josh-shapiro-20240722.html

https://archive.ph/TEVaZ

Pennsylvania lawmakers and advocates were prepared for a tough budget fight over school vouchers this year. But it fizzled out. Despite support for vouchers from Democratic Gov. Josh Shapiro, GOP leaders, and even Jay-Z, a proposed $100 million voucher program was not a major sticking point in budget negotiations. Instead, legislative leaders reached a budget deal that includes expanding existing tax credit programs to help families send their children to private schools. But the contentious debate over a voucher program to send students in low-performing schools to private school could return next year. Here’s a look at some of the reasons why vouchers didn’t get approved, and what could come next.

Shapiro and Democrats wanted to avoid a messy interparty spat during an election year

We got a preview into Shapiro’s unlikeliness to take up the voucher issue last year following the state Democratic Party’s winter meeting, where national DNC leaders requested they set the issue aside during a critical election year. Unlike Shapiro, who has sought to make school choice an area where he can reach across the aisle, many Democrats oppose vouchers. Teachers unions, which contribute to Democratic campaigns, lobby strongly against vouchers and argue that they take money away from struggling public schools. But the issue can be more complicated for officials in Philadelphia, where some lawmakers support school choice, in part because staggering achievement gaps exist between public school students in the city vs. surrounding counties. In addition, unity within the Democratic Party is more important than ever, as the party views Pennsylvania as a must-win battleground state in the presidential election.

Shapiro still called for a voucher program to be part of the state’s new budget as part of his budget address in February. And House Democrats and Shapiro had been willing to compromise and create a new tax credit program, which was rejected by the Senate GOP leaders during budget talks. Senate Majority Leader Joe Pittman (R., Indiana) said the tax credit pitch would have made it too hard for private schools to participate. And Shapiro was unwilling to use his political capital or “bully pulpit” to get the issue into a final budget deal, Pittman said. “Unlike last year, we saw no evidence that the governor was full-throatedly behind actually making it happen,” Pittman added. And the political calculation was clear to Pittman, too: “It would be very difficult to have an intense campaign occur in 2024 and have the leader of the Democratic Party sign a voucher bill and explain that to the base of the Democratic Party,” he added. Shapiro’s office declined to comment.

Progressive groups and labor mobilized in advance of budget season

Progressive groups and labor unions were caught by surprise last year, when a school voucher program appeared in a final budget deal between Shapiro and the Senate GOP. They didn’t let that happen again. Those groups coordinated their anti-voucher efforts. Once rumors circulated that vouchers were a likely possibility in the final budget deal, Rachel Weisberg, a political strategist for the Working Families Party, said she mobilized them to come together with one voice to block it. “Imagine it’s Election Day in a month, and right now, you’re losing,” Weisberg recalled someone telling her in May, before budget talks began in earnest. “What do you have to do to win?” The Working Families Party, the Philadelphia Federation of Teachers, and more than a dozen other groups worked on email campaigns and lobbied at the state Capitol. Another union, the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Local 32BJ, knocked on doors around Philadelphia. With support from Councilmember Kendra Brooks, the group got Philadelphia City Council to approve a resolution denouncing vouchers. “We can’t divert any of our hard-earned public tax dollars to private programs,” House Speaker Joanna McClinton (D., Philadelphia) said on the Capitol steps at a June anti-voucher rally.

snip

Celerity

(53,548 posts)
73. That poster is leaving a lot out (including Shapiro's post-2023-veto support of them again earlier in 2024), see post 72
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:46 AM
Jul 2024

oasis

(53,304 posts)
77. To be clear, I'm not necessarily pro Shapiro.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 12:02 PM
Jul 2024

I’m all in for Kamala’s VP pick, whoever gets the nod, fine by me.
I began this thread to call out Eddie (know it all) Glaude for his “do no harm” comment in which he managed to slip in a mention of Shapiro.

Celerity

(53,548 posts)
78. I understood that (saw another post of yours). I was only adding additional information to show that it
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 12:13 PM
Jul 2024

is not nearly as done and dusted as the other poster tried to frame.

I also do not find Glaude's opinions on any subject to be of import, and thus Glaude saying he is pro or con on any potential VP plays no part whatsoever in my calculi.

LetMyPeopleVote

(174,270 posts)
29. I cannot stand Eddie Glaude and went back to the Olympics opening when I saw that he was on MSNBC
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:39 AM
Jul 2024

Glaude is an asshole who helped to elect TFG by attacking Hillary


Blue Full Moon

(3,111 posts)
43. Shapiro supports Project 2025 tenet.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 08:23 AM
Jul 2024

There are other candidates who don't. Usually VP is next to be elected and he is not a good choice. Shapiro suports vouchers and private schools. That is the Universal School Choice bills being sent to the states now to get passed by the Heritage Foundation. Another one they wrote and was passed by state houses was the heartbeat bills. The VP is usually next to be chosen to run. There is other candidates who don't support a tenet of Project 2025.

oasis

(53,304 posts)
45. Shapiro wouldn't have gotten this far in the
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 08:51 AM
Jul 2024

vetting process if what you are saying had a kernel of truth.

oasis

(53,304 posts)
52. Harris and her team will choose. I'm gonna
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 09:47 AM
Jul 2024

be firmly behind the Dem ticket.

That said, I opened this thread with my objection to Eddie Glaude’s attempt to influence the Harris VP pick.

bigtree

(93,314 posts)
44. why are so many of these Gaza advocates so disruptive to the party?
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 08:25 AM
Jul 2024

...as if they're the center of the universe and all concern is due them over everything else.

They need to fuck off with this shit in this election if they don't want the prime minister of Israel to prevail. He and Trump are besties.

Glaude is such a troll.

oasis

(53,304 posts)
57. I'm not big on Shapiro, I just don't like the
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 10:18 AM
Jul 2024

idea of Eddie Glaude attempting to influence our VP pick given his damage to Hillary’s 2016 campaign.

Autumn

(48,717 posts)
85. Who is Eddie Glaude and why should I care what he thinks?
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 02:16 PM
Jul 2024

Harris/Shapiro 2024!

Harris/ Buttigieg 2024!

oasis

(53,304 posts)
87. Prof. of African American studies Princeton
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 02:47 PM
Jul 2024

He’s a frequent guest pundit on MSNBC.
His giant ego wouldn’t allow him to vote for Hillary in 2016. He made public his intentions.

It’s hard to know how much his refusal to vote for her influenced the MSNBC audience or his students, but it certainly didn’t help.

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