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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDid I hear Eddie Glaude correctly?
Seems like he was messaging Kamala NOT to pick Gov. Josh Shapiro for Veep.
MSNBC on Stephenie Rhule Show.
MiniMe
(21,780 posts)oasis
(51,232 posts)in 2016. We have to deal with Trump because of friends like Prof. Eddie know it all.
IA8IT
(5,794 posts)oasis
(51,232 posts)but, the mellowmoon is over.
AmBlue
(3,357 posts)What did he say?
oasis
(51,232 posts)He said Hillarys VP pick of Sen .Tim Caine was a mistake.
Know. He made a big deal about Not voting for Hillary in the GE
And guess Why M$m has him on.
I hate the GD media
oasis
(51,232 posts)Cha
(302,367 posts)oasis
(51,232 posts)Prof. Glaudes 2 cents.
Mahalo Cha for the video reminder.
Cha
(302,367 posts)He and his ilk Disgust me beyond Repair.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,765 posts)Kaine brought nothing to the table. He was so bad that Mike Pence beat him in their debate. But all of that is irrelevant at this point.
Cosmocat
(14,829 posts)At the time it made sense, maybe it hurt.
Shapiro isn't Kaine.
Kaine was stiff and 1950ish.
Shapiro almost assuredly puts PA in their pocket, and comes off much better than Kaine.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,765 posts)Were big fans of Shapiro in PA.
Cosmocat
(14,829 posts)Don't want to lose him, but he seems like a really good fit, though there are other good choices.
onandup
(494 posts)He just didn't bring anything to the ticket
Nanjeanne
(5,380 posts)oasis
(51,232 posts)who she picked for her VP. His stand against Hillarys candidacy probably influenced thousands of potential Democratic voters. Votes that were desperately needed in 2016.
Because Glaude had the same Susan Sarandon type stubbornness, we are still dealing with Trump and MAGAmaniacs.
Nanjeanne
(5,380 posts)a good man. He had been considered for VP in 2008. He had a heck of a strong background of experience in domestic policy and intelligence. However, he bombed in the debate against Pence, by == among other things -- interrupting the glass of milk some seventy times. Still, Pence had an equally weak showing.
How a man or woman performs in office is distinct from their ability to campaign. So on one hand, Kaine was a good choice in what would make a solid VP.. Tim was absolutely a highly qualified choice. Yet his experience in campaigning for either himself or Obama was regional, not national. He appeared nervous on the big stage. And he wasn't delivering wins in contested states -- though the campaign itself was responsible, not him, and they were way too over confident.
Tim and his wife are among the most honest, decent people in DC, ever.
karynnj
(59,793 posts)I have read a long list of people or things that hurt HRC, but never saw Tim Kaine as a reason. In fact, he might have been the very essence of a do no harm choice.
oasis
(51,232 posts)Dunno if that wouldve moved him to endorse Hillary, but it might have helped.
Glaudes high level of intellect doesnt mean he cant be full of shit on some of his ideas.
Patterson
(1,563 posts)oasis
(51,232 posts)needs to keep a low profile in assessing who should be on our Dem ticket after he vociferously refused to vote for Hillary in 2016.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,765 posts)He vetoed the school voucher bill which really pissed of the Republicans.
FalloutShelter
(12,421 posts)Maybe someone should listen to people who actually LIVE in PA.
Celerity
(46,154 posts)shism over the Israel/Palestine war and other protest actions that pre-date October 7th. It makes little sense, IMHO to inject that drama unnecessarily into the mix.
The One Vice Presidential Pick Who Could Ruin Democratic Unity
Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro is a leading candidate to be Kamala Harriss running mate. Selecting him would fracture the party.
https://newrepublic.com/article/184151/one-vice-president-ruin-democratic-unity-josh-shapiro
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Unfortunately, Shapiro also stands out among the current field of potential running mates as being egregiously bad on Palestine. Its not just that he, like many Democrats, is an outspoken supporter of Israelthough he certainly is, having championed Israels war against Hamas consistently and without any apparent concern for Palestinian civilians. Shapiro has, moreover, done far more than most Democrats to attack pro-Palestine antiwar demonstrators, in ways that call into question his basic commitment to First Amendment rights. In his previous role as Pennsylvania attorney general, Shapiro championed the states constitutionally dubious anti-BDS (boycott, divestment, sanctions) law against Ben & Jerrys after the ice cream maker refused to license its product for sale in Israeli settlements. BDS is rooted in antisemitism, Shapiro wrote in a statement in 2021, as he condemned a company named for its two Jewish American founders. The stated goal of this amorphous movement is the removal of Jewish citizens from the region and I strongly oppose their efforts.
As governor, Shapiros particular animus against pro-Palestine activism has only grown more apparent and troubling. Last December, he played an active role in the GOP-orchestrated sacking of University of Pennsylvania President Liz Magill. During a visit to Goldie, the popular Philadelphia restaurant co-owned by the Israeli-born celebrity chef Michael Solomonov, Shapiro condemned Magills testimony on alleged antisemitism on the Ivy League campus before Representative Elise Stefanik, the MAGA rights grand inquisitor. That was an unacceptable statement from the president of Penn, Shapiro said, referring to Magills unwillingness to accept Stefaniks slippery framing on what constitutes antisemitism. Frankly, I thought her comments were absolutely shameful. It should not be hard to condemn genocide. Magill resigned four days after her testimony and three days after Shapiros statement, legitimizing the GOPs wider assault on academic freedom, which would be repeated successfully against Harvard President Claudine Gay weeks later.
In April, Shapiros office baselessly claimed that a peaceful pro-Palestine encampment on the Penn campus threatened student safety. If the universities in accordance with their policies cant guarantee the safety and security and well-being of the students, then I think it is incumbent upon a local mayor or local governor or local town councilor, whoever is the local leadership there, to step in and enforce the law, Shapiro told Politico at the time. In May, he urged Penn to shut down the encampment completely. The University of Pennsylvania has an obligation to their safety, he said, once again alluding to nonexistent threats to the physical well-being of Jewish students. It is past time for the university to act, to address this, to disband the encampment, and to restore order and safety on campus. The university complied; one day and 33 arrests later, Shapiros office said Penn made the right decision.
That same week, The New York Times profiled Shapiro as one to watch in his party with the headline A Rising Democrat Leans Into the Campus Fight Over Antisemitism. In that piece, Shapiro made clear the low regard in which he holds pro-Palestine campus activists. If you had a group of white supremacists camped out and yelling racial slurs every day, that would be met with a different response than antisemites camped out, yelling antisemitic tropes, he told the Times. (This echoed a statement made in an earlier interview in which he compared campus protesters to the Ku Klux Klan.) Then, in an executive order, Shapiro updated his administrations code of conduct to forbid state employees from engaging in scandalous or disgraceful behavior, a vaguely worded instruction that civil libertarians immediately interpreted as threatening pro-Palestine speech.
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Doc Sportello
(7,879 posts)Of course I will vote and donate to Harris regardless but his choice would hurt Democrats in Michigan and with younger voters. In a close race that could matter.
Blue Full Moon
(639 posts)JohnSJ
(94,630 posts)hold too much credibility for his opinion. If he didnt realize how important it was to vote for Hillary in 2016, then he isnt particularly bright
Skittles
(156,731 posts)FUCK THEM ALL
LetMyPeopleVote
(151,425 posts)OnDoutside
(20,522 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(2,145 posts)tulipsandroses
(5,763 posts)someone who does not dampen the youth enthusiasm. Context matters. Stephanie asked him again if that was what he was saying and he said no, and expanded on that thought.
And even if he did. What would be the problem with him saying it? Everyone else is weighing in on who they think it should or should not be.
In this case, though, that was not the context of what he was saying.
rog
(692 posts)... that is how I heard it, too.
Edited to add that his final comment was great, as well. He said he has not been a big fan of the Democratic Party because they have been too tethered to the past, but now they are his MVP, because they are offering a future in which we can be together in a different way.
oasis
(51,232 posts)as much as he likes, but after he helped sink Hillarys 2016 campaign, he had better limit his commentary to attacking the enemy.
oasis
(51,232 posts)was a mistake. I know for sure that wasnt out of context.
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Skittles
(156,731 posts)just curious
BlueTsunami2018
(3,765 posts)Hes not on the side of the radical idiots who trashed DC the other day.
RedArkGuy
(777 posts)And many of us who oppose Netanyahu's decision to go to war against Gaza's civilians while letting Gaza leaders remain comfortably in exile can make the distinction between protesting IDF war crimes and support Hamas.
Skittles
(156,731 posts)some of the stuff I read
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Skittles
(156,731 posts)karynnj
(59,793 posts)I know Netanyahu did that in his speech implying if you are not all in supporting his policy on the war, you are for Hamas. Netanyahu, at this point,, is not support by a large majority of people in Israel.. Kamala Harris was brilliant in her comments after meeting with Netanyahu.
The half of the Democratic caucus that stayed away and most of the protesters reject Netanyahu and want a ceasefire that leads to a more peaceful future.
As to Shapiro, I like many of the possible VPs. Everyone I have heard mentioned is pretty impressive when they are looked at. It may come down to who can echo Harris' joy, energy - all are close on basic values and issues. On issues, they will not espouse anything Harris disagrees with. I trust Harris and her vetting team to pick a good vp.
Arthur_Frain
(1,997 posts)I just don't think he is the strongest pick.
oasis
(51,232 posts)I wouldnt much care if Glaude said who he preferred.
He was way out of bounds putting the kibosh on Josh Shapiro. And he raised his voice in the process of his rejection.&
Arthur_Frain
(1,997 posts)My bad. There's already been tons of speculation on who will be VP. Still have to wait for the DNC to nominate Kamala.
tulipsandroses
(5,763 posts)Even if he did frame it the way you claim ( He did not) - We still live in America. People are still allowed to speak their mind.
Interesting that you choose to go after Professor Glaude instead of who actually said it. David Hogg.
Anyhoo, this is a free forum for folks to rant. I get it. I rant every now and then too.
Peace.
oasis
(51,232 posts)has the same effect as a retweet. You heard it your way and thats okay by me.
Have a good night.
Cha
(302,367 posts)Celerity
(46,154 posts)over Shapiro and the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219246024#post38
I can't figure him out. I've got it on for the 3rd time tonight...yeh, I know.. Nothing on!! Not really listening it's just on. Haven't heard his opinion, but I often feel I don't know exactly what he's getting at. He always seems a bit angry to me. It's too late tonight to wait for it. I just know I'm not always agreeing with him.
Mr. Scorpio
(73,689 posts)That was the first negative thing that I've heard about this and Glaude declined to elaborate.
SocialDemocrat61
(2,145 posts)His support for school vouchers & charter schools and he recently compared anti-war protesters to the KKK.
onecaliberal
(34,932 posts)Just another reicht wing talking point.
SocialDemocrat61
(2,145 posts)I heard the issue brought up by people on the left. And vetoing one bill doesnt matter if he has publicly supported vouchers for years.
onecaliberal
(34,932 posts)Talk is cheap. Vouchers are NOT a thing because HE vetoed.
SocialDemocrat61
(2,145 posts)Different people think differently. Regardless of the veto of one bill, others may be concerned about his support for them.
onecaliberal
(34,932 posts)Im done listening. Im working and watching actions.
SocialDemocrat61
(2,145 posts)They might vote third party or might not vote at all. We can't afford to dismiss the concerns of others because they might not agree with is 100% on every issue. It's all about winning the election and nothing else.
onecaliberal
(34,932 posts)I am making calls for the Newsom team into battleground states. Not a single person has mentioned the VP being a deal breaker.
Trump is talking about no more elections. Concentrate on getting the ticket elected and not what talking heads are lying about.
SocialDemocrat61
(2,145 posts)And the campaign needs to access the positives and negatives of every possible running mate and choose who puts us in the best position to win the election.
onecaliberal
(34,932 posts)Ive got some calls to make.
SocialDemocrat61
(2,145 posts)Celerity
(46,154 posts)Despite Jay-Z and Josh Shapiros support, Pa. didnt approve school vouchers this year. Heres why.
Instead, legislative leaders reached a budget deal that includes expanding existing tax credit programs to help families send their children to private schools.
Published July 22, 2024
https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylvania/school-voucher-pa-budget-josh-shapiro-20240722.html
https://archive.ph/TEVaZ
Pennsylvania lawmakers and advocates were prepared for a tough budget fight over school vouchers this year. But it fizzled out. Despite support for vouchers from Democratic Gov. Josh Shapiro, GOP leaders, and even Jay-Z, a proposed $100 million voucher program was not a major sticking point in budget negotiations. Instead, legislative leaders reached a budget deal that includes expanding existing tax credit programs to help families send their children to private schools. But the contentious debate over a voucher program to send students in low-performing schools to private school could return next year. Heres a look at some of the reasons why vouchers didnt get approved, and what could come next.
Shapiro and Democrats wanted to avoid a messy interparty spat during an election year
We got a preview into Shapiros unlikeliness to take up the voucher issue last year following the state Democratic Partys winter meeting, where national DNC leaders requested they set the issue aside during a critical election year. Unlike Shapiro, who has sought to make school choice an area where he can reach across the aisle, many Democrats oppose vouchers. Teachers unions, which contribute to Democratic campaigns, lobby strongly against vouchers and argue that they take money away from struggling public schools. But the issue can be more complicated for officials in Philadelphia, where some lawmakers support school choice, in part because staggering achievement gaps exist between public school students in the city vs. surrounding counties. In addition, unity within the Democratic Party is more important than ever, as the party views Pennsylvania as a must-win battleground state in the presidential election.
Shapiro still called for a voucher program to be part of the states new budget as part of his budget address in February. And House Democrats and Shapiro had been willing to compromise and create a new tax credit program, which was rejected by the Senate GOP leaders during budget talks. Senate Majority Leader Joe Pittman (R., Indiana) said the tax credit pitch would have made it too hard for private schools to participate. And Shapiro was unwilling to use his political capital or bully pulpit to get the issue into a final budget deal, Pittman said. Unlike last year, we saw no evidence that the governor was full-throatedly behind actually making it happen, Pittman added. And the political calculation was clear to Pittman, too: It would be very difficult to have an intense campaign occur in 2024 and have the leader of the Democratic Party sign a voucher bill and explain that to the base of the Democratic Party, he added. Shapiros office declined to comment.
Progressive groups and labor mobilized in advance of budget season
Progressive groups and labor unions were caught by surprise last year, when a school voucher program appeared in a final budget deal between Shapiro and the Senate GOP. They didnt let that happen again. Those groups coordinated their anti-voucher efforts. Once rumors circulated that vouchers were a likely possibility in the final budget deal, Rachel Weisberg, a political strategist for the Working Families Party, said she mobilized them to come together with one voice to block it. Imagine its Election Day in a month, and right now, youre losing, Weisberg recalled someone telling her in May, before budget talks began in earnest. What do you have to do to win? The Working Families Party, the Philadelphia Federation of Teachers, and more than a dozen other groups worked on email campaigns and lobbied at the state Capitol. Another union, the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Local 32BJ, knocked on doors around Philadelphia. With support from Councilmember Kendra Brooks, the group got Philadelphia City Council to approve a resolution denouncing vouchers. We cant divert any of our hard-earned public tax dollars to private programs, House Speaker Joanna McClinton (D., Philadelphia) said on the Capitol steps at a June anti-voucher rally.
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oasis
(51,232 posts)Celerity
(46,154 posts)oasis
(51,232 posts)Im all in for Kamalas VP pick, whoever gets the nod, fine by me.
I began this thread to call out Eddie (know it all) Glaude for his do no harm comment in which he managed to slip in a mention of Shapiro.
Celerity
(46,154 posts)is not nearly as done and dusted as the other poster tried to frame.
I also do not find Glaude's opinions on any subject to be of import, and thus Glaude saying he is pro or con on any potential VP plays no part whatsoever in my calculi.
Celerity
(46,154 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,429 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(151,425 posts)OnDoutside
(20,522 posts)OnDoutside
(20,522 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,387 posts)OnDoutside
(20,522 posts)Blue Full Moon
(639 posts)There are other candidates who don't. Usually VP is next to be elected and he is not a good choice. Shapiro suports vouchers and private schools. That is the Universal School Choice bills being sent to the states now to get passed by the Heritage Foundation. Another one they wrote and was passed by state houses was the heartbeat bills. The VP is usually next to be chosen to run. There is other candidates who don't support a tenet of Project 2025.
oasis
(51,232 posts)vetting process if what you are saying had a kernel of truth.
Blue Full Moon
(639 posts)oasis
(51,232 posts)be firmly behind the Dem ticket.
That said, I opened this thread with my objection to Eddie Glaudes attempt to influence the Harris VP pick.
Blue Full Moon
(639 posts)Project 2025 page 319
Use public, taxpayer money for private religious schools.
bigtree
(88,632 posts)...as if they're the center of the universe and all concern is due them over everything else.
They need to fuck off with this shit in this election if they don't want the prime minister of Israel to prevail. He and Trump are besties.
Glaude is such a troll.
oasis
(51,232 posts)kentuck
(112,186 posts)How could he do well anywhere else?
oasis
(51,232 posts)idea of Eddie Glaude attempting to influence our VP pick given his damage to Hillarys 2016 campaign.
Sugarcoated
(7,958 posts)Harris won't be taking advice from Eddie
Autumn
(45,721 posts)Harris/Shapiro 2024!
Harris/ Buttigieg 2024!
oasis
(51,232 posts)Hes a frequent guest pundit on MSNBC.
His giant ego wouldnt allow him to vote for Hillary in 2016. He made public his intentions.
Its hard to know how much his refusal to vote for her influenced the MSNBC audience or his students, but it certainly didnt help.