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kpete

(72,897 posts)
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 09:37 AM Aug 2024

Pete Buttigieg: Remember that all of this is a strategy.

The politics of outrage and insult are the last refuge of a politician who cannot defend his own plans.


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Pete Buttigieg: Remember that all of this is a strategy. (Original Post) kpete Aug 2024 OP
To paraphrase an old adage central scrutinizer Aug 2024 #1
Yes and no servermsh Aug 2024 #2
"What Trump did later in the day in PA was strategy." BumRushDaShow Aug 2024 #19
Yet he complained about having to wait 30 minutes StarryNite Aug 2024 #20
And his deranged rambling resulted in him getting his nonsense cut short at the NABJ anyway BumRushDaShow Aug 2024 #21
Imagine trying to control Trump. Bumbles Aug 2024 #3
one bloke has sussed it out Celerity Aug 2024 #7
OMG... MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2024 #33
As they say musclecar6 Aug 2024 #45
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent - Issac Asimov. patphil Aug 2024 #4
I've always disagreed with Ikey about that. malthaussen Aug 2024 #6
Would that it were so! Mopar151 Aug 2024 #44
I looove Pete!!! 🔥 phoenix_rising Aug 2024 #5
One more time DownriverDem Aug 2024 #11
Respectfully, I think the country IS ready! phoenix_rising Aug 2024 #15
agree 100% nt et tu Aug 2024 #18
Please don't cater to homophobia by suggesting we limit our VP pick Ms. Toad Aug 2024 #23
Yesssssss!!!! 🙌🙌🙌🙌 phoenix_rising Aug 2024 #30
You have said this over and over again...and thank you. MontanaMama Aug 2024 #39
our country isn't ready for a economy crushing, soul crushing, facsist with his goon squad, all nodding Conjuay Aug 2024 #43
tired of catering to bigots Skittles Aug 2024 #27
And yesssssss!!!!! phoenix_rising Aug 2024 #31
Fuck that. Elessar Zappa Aug 2024 #34
In 2019, 70% of Americans were open to voting for a gay president, but only 36% thought the country was ready. femmedem Aug 2024 #36
I'd like to see Pete take a professor job AdamGG Aug 2024 #41
And THAT is yet another example of what a great choice Pete would be... hlthe2b Aug 2024 #8
Not now DownriverDem Aug 2024 #12
With respect, I think Pete made the case best phoenix_rising Aug 2024 #17
I don't think Pete is like what "some Americans think they are 'not ready' for"-- at all hlthe2b Aug 2024 #22
I'll let you call Pete and tell him MontanaMama Aug 2024 #40
He is amazing, I want him advocating every day! n/t hibbing Aug 2024 #9
+♾️!!!! 🙌🙌🙌🙌 n/t phoenix_rising Aug 2024 #24
The convicted felon is a racist demagogue who uses isolated incidents Justice matters. Aug 2024 #10
There is no bad publicity Owens Aug 2024 #13
I think overt racism and blatant misogyny is his strategy. He's daring the country to elect a woman of color. surfered Aug 2024 #14
And Rick Wilson just corrected me. But I do believe surfered Aug 2024 #16
Perfectly described by a smart person. twodogsbarking Aug 2024 #25
Thank you Pete BoRaGard Aug 2024 #26
of course Skittles Aug 2024 #28
Pete has been solid Turk182 Aug 2024 #29
Nailed it! wordstroken Aug 2024 #32
It Is NOT A Strategy ProfessorGAC Aug 2024 #35
Strategy? BaronChocula Aug 2024 #37
The overarching strategy is mental and emotional chaos to gain power. KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2024 #38
All this talk about the SlobFather and his strategy this and strategy that, he is a ConMan with NoMoreRepugs Aug 2024 #42

central scrutinizer

(12,577 posts)
1. To paraphrase an old adage
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 09:43 AM
Aug 2024

If you’ve got a good record, pound your record.
If you’ve got good policy proposals, pound your proposals
If you’ve got neither, pound the table

servermsh

(1,406 posts)
2. Yes and no
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 09:44 AM
Aug 2024

What Trump did later in the day in PA was strategy. His behavior at NABJ was that of an unhinged racist old goof. Don't give Trump credit for being a loon.

BumRushDaShow

(152,671 posts)
19. "What Trump did later in the day in PA was strategy."
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 12:28 PM
Aug 2024

Except that he was an hour late arriving to the venue near our state capital (where they hold the annual "PA Farm Show" ), people were passing out due to heat exhaustion while waiting, he apparently rambled on for 90 minutes, bringing up the Hannibal Lecter nonsense, and his "attendees" left early.

StarryNite

(11,549 posts)
20. Yet he complained about having to wait 30 minutes
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 12:38 PM
Aug 2024

for his NABJ Interview which was due to a technical issue. And you know he got wait inside in a nice room. And I would bet he was provided with drinks or whatever he wanted while he waited.

BumRushDaShow

(152,671 posts)
21. And his deranged rambling resulted in him getting his nonsense cut short at the NABJ anyway
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 12:58 PM
Aug 2024

so it just underscored the "whiney baby" persona that turns off indies.

MorbidButterflyTat

(2,984 posts)
33. OMG...
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 05:41 PM
Aug 2024

The last two are hilarious! His stupid expression as the dummy to Putin's ventriloquist, holy crap.

The bottom one is mesmerizing me...

musclecar6

(1,884 posts)
45. As they say
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 09:33 AM
Aug 2024

Good luck with that. NOBODY tells that national disgrace what to do. In a perfect world, he will lose the election, be sent to prison and be told what to do and have to do it.

patphil

(7,827 posts)
4. Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent - Issac Asimov.
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 10:38 AM
Aug 2024

Trump's words are verbal violence, meant to wound and hurt, and incite more violence.

malthaussen

(18,089 posts)
6. I've always disagreed with Ikey about that.
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 10:40 AM
Aug 2024

Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent.

-- Mal

Mopar151

(10,290 posts)
44. Would that it were so!
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 09:20 AM
Aug 2024

But there is all that damm whining, posturing, and chest-beating to get through!

phoenix_rising

(323 posts)
5. I looove Pete!!! 🔥
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 10:40 AM
Aug 2024

Last edited Thu Aug 1, 2024, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)

He’s always exactly right! And always the smartest person in the room! Pete for VP now, and President in 8 years!! 🙌🙌

Harris/Buttigieg 2024 💙🇺🇸

DownriverDem

(6,827 posts)
11. One more time
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 11:18 AM
Aug 2024

I live in Michigan and love Pete. The country is not ready for a gay VP. I hope he runs for governor when Gov Whitmer's term ends in 2026. We need Pete here.

phoenix_rising

(323 posts)
15. Respectfully, I think the country IS ready!
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 11:33 AM
Aug 2024

Again, underscoring that I say this with respect:

Millennials and GenZ are mobilized like never before, and they (along with younger GenX) are the most LGBTQ2SIA+ friendly generations in history! The world has changed, and young people love Pete! I think continuing what Kamala started and adding Pete to the ticket would ignite enthusiasm to new heights, create a seismic shift among younger voters, leading to record turnout, potentially transforming a blue wave into a blue tsunami! 🌊

Again, I respect your opinion, but we can def agree to disagree on this, with respect.

Ms. Toad

(36,944 posts)
23. Please don't cater to homophobia by suggesting we limit our VP pick
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 01:48 PM
Aug 2024

because "the country is not ready for a gay VP."

MontanaMama

(24,405 posts)
39. You have said this over and over again...and thank you.
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 11:51 PM
Aug 2024

I am weary of “we’re not ready”. I can’t imagine how weary folks in marginalized communities feel waiting for the rest of the country to “be ready” for them to rise to their potential.

Conjuay

(2,429 posts)
43. our country isn't ready for a economy crushing, soul crushing, facsist with his goon squad, all nodding
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 08:08 AM
Aug 2024

their empty heads following along, singing his incompetence as if he actually is their messiah.

Elessar Zappa

(16,333 posts)
34. Fuck that.
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 05:44 PM
Aug 2024

I don’t think our VP selection should exclude someone because bigots “aren’t ready”.

femmedem

(8,507 posts)
36. In 2019, 70% of Americans were open to voting for a gay president, but only 36% thought the country was ready.
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 07:11 PM
Aug 2024

And 86% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents were open to voting for a gay presidential candidate, but only 36% thought the country as a whole would be ready.

So your thinking is in line with the majority of Americans--even the majority of Democrats--but it turns out that we're better than that!

Edited to add link: https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/04/politics/poll-of-the-week-gay-president/index.html

AdamGG

(1,703 posts)
41. I'd like to see Pete take a professor job
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 01:02 AM
Aug 2024

at University of Chicago or Northwestern and then run for the US Senate there and then run for the presidency. There's a track record for that.

hlthe2b

(109,751 posts)
8. And THAT is yet another example of what a great choice Pete would be...
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 10:54 AM
Aug 2024

He'll do the speaking, regardless, but he could be even more effective as the VP choice. Yeah, I've not made a personal pick, feeling comfortable with leaving that to Harris, but I don't mind saying Buttigieg is up there among the top two I'd be favoring.

phoenix_rising

(323 posts)
17. With respect, I think Pete made the case best
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 11:47 AM
Aug 2024
Pete Buttigieg says voters can look past his sexuality amid VP speculation

The Daily Beast
Michael Boyle
Jul. 25, 2024


”I’m not saying it’s not a thing, but I’m saying it’s been extraordinary how people look past that,” Buttigieg explained. “When I came out, I was in the middle of reelection in my home town in Mike Pence’s Indiana, and I wound up getting a higher proportion of the vote than the first time, because the city I was mayor of thought I did a good job.”

He continued, “When I ran for president, part of how I won Iowa was that I wound up doing especially well in right-leaning and conservative counties, these counties that voted for Obama and then voted for Trump.”

“So what that tells me is whoever you are and whatever your personal biography or attributes are, if you can explain to people what you have to offer and get them to believe in you and your vision,” Buttigieg said, “despite all of the things that stand in the way of fairness in this country, the truth is it’s extraordinary what people can and will do.”


https://www.thedailybeast.com/buttigieg-says-voters-can-look-past-his-sexuality-amid-vp-speculation


hlthe2b

(109,751 posts)
22. I don't think Pete is like what "some Americans think they are 'not ready' for"-- at all
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 01:31 PM
Aug 2024

Just as Kamala Harris is nothing like the preconceived notions of some...

'Hard to say... I think that few of us would have foreseen Harris getting the reception that she is and has. And there is negative scrutiny for all the VP candidates--good as they are. So... ???

Justice matters.

(8,372 posts)
10. The convicted felon is a racist demagogue who uses isolated incidents
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 11:12 AM
Aug 2024

(when they are real) to make believe they are wide spread while they're not (and far from that).

He doesn't care about the fact that they are isolated incidents, when they are real and not completely made up, to score political points. I want journalists to fact check him every time he uses them and educate his gullible cultists about how isolated incidents (when they're real and not just fabricated lies) are not the scare he wants them to believe they are.

He's a weird troll for his own personal gain, and without any fact check on the spot, he gets away with his constant demagoguery.

For example: He said Kamala didn't pass the Bar exam and nobody said the truth about she passed it the second time because it's a really difficult test, nothing like "person, man, woman, camera, teevee" like...

He's a weird orange clown from the never-enough-money's ruling class.

Owens

(514 posts)
13. There is no bad publicity
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 11:29 AM
Aug 2024

This was a deliberate and calculated disaster, he got the attention back on him, not on Vance and Harris.

He also refuses to appear unless there is NO fact-checking. The press needs to stop falling for his demands. This man loves a camera and will do anything to be in front of hit

surfered

(6,778 posts)
14. I think overt racism and blatant misogyny is his strategy. He's daring the country to elect a woman of color.
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 11:30 AM
Aug 2024

But what do I know.

surfered

(6,778 posts)
16. And Rick Wilson just corrected me. But I do believe
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 11:37 AM
Aug 2024

Trump is a racist misogynist and in his mind ( a very scary place) he thinks the country is too. Look at the women showing up at his rallies.

ProfessorGAC

(72,714 posts)
35. It Is NOT A Strategy
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 05:44 PM
Aug 2024

His heavier is, at best, a tactic. More like a spontaneous transaction.
There is no strategic thought in play here.
I get Pete's point, but it undervalues what a strategy actually is.

BaronChocula

(2,740 posts)
37. Strategy?
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 09:47 PM
Aug 2024

Or is it just hostility mixed with no impulse control. That's what it looks like to me. That psycho complex just happens to appeal to a certain type.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,695 posts)
38. The overarching strategy is mental and emotional chaos to gain power.
Thu Aug 1, 2024, 10:31 PM
Aug 2024

If you can saturate some of the public's brains with confusion, lies, dog whistles, false fears, deceptions and conflicts, many will give up and vote for the authoritarian every time.

It first reared its ugly head in my lifetime with Nixon's Southern Strategy and Goldwater's militaristic fearmongering.

Kudos to Pete for calling out these political thugs.

NoMoreRepugs

(11,332 posts)
42. All this talk about the SlobFather and his strategy this and strategy that, he is a ConMan with
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 07:38 AM
Aug 2024

a well documented history of failure explained away through pure BULLSHIT, no Machiavellian machinations involved.

He’s not smart enough to play checkers let alone chess.

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