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servermsh

(1,406 posts)
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 11:37 AM Aug 2024

Reuters: VP choice down to Walz or Shapiro

From Nandita Bose of Reuters:

BREAKING: 05 Aug 2024 12:19:44 PM - HARRIS VICE PRESIDENT POOL NARROWS TO SHAPIRO, WALZ - SOURCES




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Reuters: VP choice down to Walz or Shapiro (Original Post) servermsh Aug 2024 OP
altho both are excellent im pulling for walz as hes so dang funny! samnsara Aug 2024 #1
And he is so well liked by his former congressional buddies Tadpole Raisin Aug 2024 #30
If walz doesn't get it, he should be sec'y of edu. GPV Aug 2024 #2
or Labor? Gaytano70 Aug 2024 #5
Isn't Governor better ? JI7 Aug 2024 #11
For him or for the nations teachers? GPV Aug 2024 #41
Ambassador at large. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #51
He can come to our school, first. :) GPV Aug 2024 #69
Can DU get on the list too? Ask and Answer. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #70
MINE too!! elleng Aug 2024 #3
Kinda what many on DU have been saying... Gaytano70 Aug 2024 #4
Keeping fingers crossed that its Walz... indigovalley Aug 2024 #6
I didn't realize it was up to rueters to decide that. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #7
They're deciding nothing Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #42
Uh-huh. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #44
Both good choices and I'm honestly torn democrattotheend Aug 2024 #8
Whoever she chooses will be great... Bettie Aug 2024 #9
All day keep hearing from Scarborough, Chris Christie and Bill Kristol in support of Shapiro. Nanjeanne Aug 2024 #10
That Bill Kristol is picking Shapiro is a giant clue to run away Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #43
Run Forrest Run! Nanjeanne Aug 2024 #46
That's my 1st and 2nd choice! TheFarseer Aug 2024 #12
If that's true, then I prefer Walz if Pete is out of consideration. LuvLoogie Aug 2024 #13
Feisty, funny, and very smart. yorkster Aug 2024 #19
But one who could make it palatable and moonscape Aug 2024 #45
I've become a Walz fan tinrobot Aug 2024 #14
Love both options Johnny2X2X Aug 2024 #15
I hope it's Shapiro but will be just as happy with Walz JI7 Aug 2024 #16
I worry about Walz DUI. Self Esteem Aug 2024 #17
He has a DUI 30 years ago and has stopped drinking since so I think people can relate to that. Nanjeanne Aug 2024 #24
Post removed Post removed Aug 2024 #28
I don't think citing a right wing site like Alpha News is actually giving you the correct information. Nanjeanne Aug 2024 #33
That wouldn't matter claudette Aug 2024 #56
And it's a teaching lesson. He stopped drinking. Nanjeanne Aug 2024 #61
Nobody cares kcr Aug 2024 #39
In the midwest this is in his favor. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #52
Either would be good. iemanja Aug 2024 #18
This household (2) prefers Walz, Shapiro has some unpopular Israel stances, perhaps? Brainfodder Aug 2024 #20
Does Harris personally know Walz? liberalmediaaddict Aug 2024 #21
Don't know about Harris but Shapiro and Walz are popular with Biden. He thinks Walz is a blast. Nanjeanne Aug 2024 #34
I'll be shocked if she picks Shapiro Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #47
If this election is truly about passing the torch then Waltz is too old, but I assume is was only lip service krawhitham Aug 2024 #22
Waltz is just a few months older then Kamala Kaleva Aug 2024 #25
Yeah, I know. And 68 is too old to run for POTUS krawhitham Aug 2024 #71
Has he declared his intentions? Kaleva Aug 2024 #75
Walz just looks old liberalmediaaddict Aug 2024 #36
Are you calling bald people old? Hell I started going Emile Aug 2024 #59
No I'm calling 68 too old to run for POTUS. Having two boomers on the ticket does not feel like passing the torch krawhitham Aug 2024 #72
LOL, 68 is young. Emile Aug 2024 #74
Walz is the same age as Harris n/t kcr Aug 2024 #40
Add two 4 year terms. 68 is too old to run for POTUS krawhitham Aug 2024 #73
WTF Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #48
I'd prefer Walz but will be OK if it's Shapiro or one of the other top picks, all of whom are highplainsdem Aug 2024 #23
I'm fine with whoever Kamala picks Kaleva Aug 2024 #26
me too Celerity Aug 2024 #64
I would support either of them but am pulling for Shapiro. OLDMDDEM Aug 2024 #27
Cool!! ColinC Aug 2024 #29
VP pick Sequoia Aug 2024 #31
VP pick Sequoia Aug 2024 #32
Shapiro is the one Republicans dont want her to choose Sugarcoated Aug 2024 #35
Excellent point liberalmediaaddict Aug 2024 #37
Funny. The Rs for Harris seem to love him Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #49
Yep, I witnessed their enthusiasm this morning on Morning Joe. Emile Aug 2024 #57
Because they want to win Sugarcoated Aug 2024 #63
I never would look to Republicans for their political views! Emile Aug 2024 #65
They know what it takes to win Sugarcoated Aug 2024 #66
How did Joe Biden and Kamala win? They had Emile Aug 2024 #68
Not from what I've seen kcr Aug 2024 #62
Everyone in my family want Walz as VP. Emile Aug 2024 #38
I think both are great bdjhawk Aug 2024 #50
Walz became my #1, I started with Buttigieg at #1 and Shapiro at #2 ms liberty Aug 2024 #53
What about Mark Kelly? PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2024 #54
Wow! claudette Aug 2024 #55
Huge movement in the betting markets toward Walz Wavelight Aug 2024 #58
I don't believe almost ANYTHING I read these days. consider_this Aug 2024 #60
It's going to be Shapiro. Here's why.... dcbuckeye Aug 2024 #67

samnsara

(18,337 posts)
1. altho both are excellent im pulling for walz as hes so dang funny!
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 11:38 AM
Aug 2024

my dtr said the kids have already dubbed him bernie lite or 2.0

Tadpole Raisin

(1,561 posts)
30. And he is so well liked by his former congressional buddies
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:46 PM
Aug 2024

on both sides of the aisle that his presence could really benefit a Harris administration in getting bills passed.

That was the key that allowed Biden to get more done than people thought possible.

Relationships!! One of the most important things we have lost over the years. Congress doesn’t have a Tip O’Neill equivalent that can battle with you during the day and have a beer with you after hours. Walz brings that back to the table.

indigovalley

(205 posts)
6. Keeping fingers crossed that its Walz...
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 11:45 AM
Aug 2024

No offense to Shapiro who by all accounts has been a great Governor. I think Walz has a lot of appeal to everyday voters plus he has the most governing experience (congress and governorship).

Of course, I will support Kamala no matter who she picks. We Democrats have quite a talented field of VP prospects and they all have their individual pluses for the campaign....

 

Zoomie1986

(1,213 posts)
42. They're deciding nothing
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 04:22 PM
Aug 2024

They're reporting what their sources are telling them.

Those aren't the same things.

democrattotheend

(12,011 posts)
8. Both good choices and I'm honestly torn
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 11:47 AM
Aug 2024

My main concerns about Shapiro are the potential for him to bring more attention to divisions in the party regarding Israel (which are not fair, since the other candidates have similar positions, but it's the reality), and the fact that he clearly had his sights set on 2028 before Biden stepped aside. Which has me a little nervous about whether he'd really want Kamala to win. But if that's the case, it might be better to keep him close by putting him on the ticket, since if he is picked and we don't win Pennsylvania that will hurt his future aspirations. Also, Obama and Biden both seem to trust him so that makes me trust him more.

OTOH, Walz seems like a potentially better governing partner, more akin to Kamala's own Joe Biden. But she doesn't get to govern unless she wins.

Bettie

(17,482 posts)
9. Whoever she chooses will be great...
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 11:48 AM
Aug 2024

but waiting is hard...I am not a patient woman or so my husband and sons tell me! I think I am perfectly patient! lol.

Nanjeanne

(5,468 posts)
10. All day keep hearing from Scarborough, Chris Christie and Bill Kristol in support of Shapiro.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 11:49 AM
Aug 2024

I’m sticking with House Dems, Pelosi, Sanders, labor and educators in my support of Walz.

Or Beshear….

But VP Harris isn’t asking me so all I can do is hope…

 

Zoomie1986

(1,213 posts)
43. That Bill Kristol is picking Shapiro is a giant clue to run away
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 04:25 PM
Aug 2024

He's responsible for pimping Sarah Palin to the McCain campaign. Everyone ignorant of reality likes to blame Schmidt for it, but Kristol did far more to push her onto the ticket than Schmidt ever did.

TheFarseer

(9,530 posts)
12. That's my 1st and 2nd choice!
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 11:55 AM
Aug 2024

Wow! I usually do not get what I want at all with this kind of thing.

LuvLoogie

(7,605 posts)
13. If that's true, then I prefer Walz if Pete is out of consideration.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 11:56 AM
Aug 2024

He seems like an old school, hard ass Dem.

yorkster

(2,574 posts)
19. Feisty, funny, and very smart.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:05 PM
Aug 2024

Walz is my first choice, too.
Like your word choice - hard ass Dem.
Happy warrior will fight fiercely.

moonscape

(5,422 posts)
45. But one who could make it palatable and
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 04:27 PM
Aug 2024

understandable to those who reflexively hate liberals jus because they were taught to.

tinrobot

(11,475 posts)
14. I've become a Walz fan
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:00 PM
Aug 2024

He's so down to earth and will help a lot with the Midwest. Plus, he really helps sell the "They're weird, we're normal" narrative.

Shapiro is good, but I get more of big city vibe. Not exactly what we need.


Johnny2X2X

(21,968 posts)
15. Love both options
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:02 PM
Aug 2024

And both give you what you need in a VP for the campaign, a relatable pit bull.

Self Esteem

(1,824 posts)
17. I worry about Walz DUI.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:03 PM
Aug 2024

Even if it was 30 years ago, I could see the Republicans calling it the DEI/DUI ticket.

Really was hoping for Kelly.

Nanjeanne

(5,468 posts)
24. He has a DUI 30 years ago and has stopped drinking since so I think people can relate to that.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:17 PM
Aug 2024

No one was hurt. He has never scrubbed it from his history and is no issue at this point. The judge threw out charges and chastised the officer for not realizing Walz was deaf in one ear.

Unless you go to right wing Trump sites like Alpha News you can find the actual information in a number of places.

I think most people forgive him for that mistake while they celebrate his more than 30 years of service to working people, families, children.

Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #24)

Nanjeanne

(5,468 posts)
33. I don't think citing a right wing site like Alpha News is actually giving you the correct information.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:54 PM
Aug 2024

I’m not even sure its allowed on DU but I don’t believe in alerting.

Alpha News The launch of Alpha News was first promoted today by the Minnesota Tea Party Alliance on Facebook. Many of the initial news stories from Alpha News cover issues which have been advocated by the Minnesota Tea Party Alliance.

Alpha News
While Watchdog.org and The UpTake get money from partisan donors, the money trail behind five-month-old Alpha News is much more difficult to track.

Its website says nothing about its donors or editorial process, but does carry ads and asks readers to donate. One thing is certain: Alpha News has ties to a prominent Republican donor and the political group he founded years ago.

Business filings show that Alex Kharam incorporated Alpha News. Kharam also works as executive director for the Minnesota Freedom Club, a political group that supports conservative candidates and was founded by and largely bankrolled by Republican donor Robert Cummins.

If you want to read about the actual DUI and the subsequent dismissal of charges you can find it I think locally but you may have to sign up to the newspapers site. It wasnt really a big deal during the governors race when so there isn’t much online other than the right wing media which tried to use it during the Gov race.

But anyway even if you can’t relate - the fact is the charges were dropped and Walz stopped drinking. I think the Democratic ticket could survive that.

kcr

(15,522 posts)
39. Nobody cares
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 01:43 PM
Aug 2024

Which is why you had to dig down to a right-wing source. But thanks for your concern.

Brainfodder

(7,181 posts)
20. This household (2) prefers Walz, Shapiro has some unpopular Israel stances, perhaps?
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:06 PM
Aug 2024

But support the pick either way, splitting hairs is passe.

liberalmediaaddict

(976 posts)
21. Does Harris personally know Walz?
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:08 PM
Aug 2024

Part of picking a VP is finding someone you're comfortable working side by side with for 4 years. Harris is close friends with Shapiro and were both Attorney Generals.

Guessing she'll pick the person she can easily form a partnership with and trusts.
While factoring in the political pros and cons.

I'd be shocked if she doesn't pick Shapiro. They'd definitely make for an attractive ticket with great energy. And Shapiro is outstanding on the campaign trail.



Nanjeanne

(5,468 posts)
34. Don't know about Harris but Shapiro and Walz are popular with Biden. He thinks Walz is a blast.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 01:05 PM
Aug 2024

This was fun to read.

Biden is a “big fan of Shapiro’s,” the adviser said, partially due to his help during the 2020 election, and his role in handing the Democratic Party victories in the key swing state. He successfully defended the state in 19 lawsuits before the election and over 20 filed after the Nov. 3 Election Day, guarding Biden’s victory in the state.

Despite his appreciation for Shapiro, however, the senior adviser suggested that he likes Walz even better.

“He’s just a blast,” the adviser said.

He pointed to a January infrastructure event in Wisconsin, where Walz and Biden mingled with voters over beers.

“Biden was in the best mood ever,” the adviser suggested and recalled others joking that the Minnesota governor should be brought around more often “because he always put him in such a great mood.”


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/presidential/3109716/biden-rates-josh-shapiro-highly-thinks-tim-walz-blast/]

 

Zoomie1986

(1,213 posts)
47. I'll be shocked if she picks Shapiro
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 04:40 PM
Aug 2024

His CV pales next to that of Walz. Governor less than 2 years compared to six for Walz, for instance.

The most concerning is that he has no federal legislative experience, when a major component of a VP is advocating for the POTUS agenda in Congress. Every single Democratic VP since Truman has served in elected office on Capitol Hill for a reason, you know. Walz is in that tradition, which means he understands the process, without needing a learning curve to become effective.

Shapiro has no experience of how the Hill works. He's a bright guy who can learn, and he undoubtedly knows people there....but being smart in general isn't being smart about dealing with Congress. Knowing people there as an outsider is far different from actually being among them as a member. We need someone who can hit the ground running in establishing the Harris agenda, not someone who's learning to get a feel for the place.

krawhitham

(4,915 posts)
22. If this election is truly about passing the torch then Waltz is too old, but I assume is was only lip service
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:09 PM
Aug 2024

Kaleva

(38,732 posts)
25. Waltz is just a few months older then Kamala
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:21 PM
Aug 2024

Kamala is 59 and Waltz is 60.

You must think Kamala is too old

liberalmediaaddict

(976 posts)
36. Walz just looks old
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 01:32 PM
Aug 2024

He's the same age as Harris.
That could be a problem though since optics is so important in this HD 4K media age.

Like it or not our country is still very ageist especially when it comes to having grey hair or being bald.

krawhitham

(4,915 posts)
72. No I'm calling 68 too old to run for POTUS. Having two boomers on the ticket does not feel like passing the torch
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 08:40 AM
Aug 2024
 

Zoomie1986

(1,213 posts)
48. WTF
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 04:42 PM
Aug 2024

He's six months older than Harris, and he acts like a much younger man.

These attacks based on his age and looks are completely uncalled for.

highplainsdem

(53,063 posts)
23. I'd prefer Walz but will be OK if it's Shapiro or one of the other top picks, all of whom are
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:13 PM
Aug 2024

political superstars compared to Trump and Vance.

Sugarcoated

(8,120 posts)
35. Shapiro is the one Republicans dont want her to choose
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 01:15 PM
Aug 2024

He would balance out the ticket because he's seen as a moderate while Waltz is seen more as liberal. Shapiro is philly, he's a fighter and exceptional politically. He will get us over the finish line in Pennsylvania and the election. She also has chemistry with Shapiro, you can see the affection they have for one another from their long time friendship. He also endorsed her for president when she ran in 2020, I believe one of the first Dems to come out for her

liberalmediaaddict

(976 posts)
37. Excellent point
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 01:36 PM
Aug 2024

Shapiro is definitely formidable and has been a great ally to Harris.

Sounds like she's under a lot of pressure from progressive Democrats to pick Walz. If she's more comfortable working side by side with Shapiro she should definitely choose him.

 

Zoomie1986

(1,213 posts)
49. Funny. The Rs for Harris seem to love him
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 04:47 PM
Aug 2024

Bill Kristol, Joe Scarborough, Chris Christie are all pushing for him.

I'll give you some advice, though: Whoever Bill Kristol wants, run. Run hard and fast and as far away as you can get.

He's the party most responsible for getting Sarah Palin on the McCain ticket, contrary to the mistaken conventional wisdom that Schmidt decided it. He only came round to Palin after Kristol had pimped her hard for several months.

His judgement has always been bad.

Emile

(31,346 posts)
68. How did Joe Biden and Kamala win? They had
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 05:54 PM
Aug 2024

the progressive caucus campaigning for them.

bdjhawk

(432 posts)
50. I think both are great
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 04:47 PM
Aug 2024

but Shapiro on the ticket would become a distraction with entire focus on his real or perceived stance on Israel/ Gaza. The Repugs can twist that and can create divisions among the Dems. While some may think that it is the issues that will matter, remember that a few short weeks ago those same issues didn’t matter enough for Biden to have a lead in the polls.

ms liberty

(9,899 posts)
53. Walz became my #1, I started with Buttigieg at #1 and Shapiro at #2
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 05:01 PM
Aug 2024

Walz surpassed both of them. I barely knew him when this started. He's got an amazing resume. I've been really impressed. I'm impressed by Shapiro as well.
Whoever she chooses will be great.

consider_this

(2,837 posts)
60. I don't believe almost ANYTHING I read these days.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 05:34 PM
Aug 2024

Perhaps this is true. Perhaps we are being played.
Oh well, fun for all. I'm simply waiting her announcement, but my version of simple is refreshing and searching stuff to find something of a hint, that I then even don't believe - YES this whole thing has sent me into crazy town!

Go Kamala and TBD running mate!!!

dcbuckeye

(83 posts)
67. It's going to be Shapiro. Here's why....
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 05:51 PM
Aug 2024

Can you imagine assembling a huge crowd in Philly and then trotting out a guy other than Shapiro? Talk about a buzz kill for the entire state of Pennsylvania

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