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ColinC

(11,061 posts)
Thu Aug 22, 2024, 05:01 PM Aug 2024

Should the United States implement an immediate arms embargo on Israel?

Just wondering how we all feel about this issue.


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Yes
22 (43%)
No
29 (57%)
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Should the United States implement an immediate arms embargo on Israel? (Original Post) ColinC Aug 2024 OP
A few simple conditions would be a nice start pat_k Aug 2024 #1
We need to take a careful look at all of the implications. I don't know that an embargo could get the support it needs. lees1975 Aug 2024 #2
No. nt LexVegas Aug 2024 #3
So we should leave them with only 100 Nukes and no other weapons? Fichefinder Aug 2024 #4
Outrageous ColinC Aug 2024 #5
Nope. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #6
Complex issues do not lend themselves to simplistic answers. TomSlick Aug 2024 #7
There aren't any serious people proposing this ridiculous idea. tritsofme Aug 2024 #8
Performative. speak easy Aug 2024 #9
UN experts and about half of DUers (see poll) aren't serious people? onandup Aug 2024 #10
Sounds about right. tritsofme Aug 2024 #11
LOFuckingL. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #12
For the night shift Sewa Aug 2024 #13

pat_k

(10,883 posts)
1. A few simple conditions would be a nice start
Thu Aug 22, 2024, 05:07 PM
Aug 2024

Last edited Thu Aug 22, 2024, 05:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Like the failed amendment co-sponsored by Sens. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), Dick Durbin (D-IL), Tim Kaine (D-VA), and Brian Schatz (D-HI) and joined by Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), Jeff Merkley (D-OR), Peter Welch (D-VT), Martin Heinrich (D-NM), Tom Carper (D-DE), Ben Ray Luján (D-NM), Bernie Sanders (I-VT), Mazie Hirono (D-HI), and Ed Markey (D-MA).

The amendment, which would apply to all countries receiving weapons as part of the supplemental bill, would require the president to report to Congress within 30 days whether countries receiving military aid through the package are “fully cooperating with U.S. efforts and U.S.-supported international efforts to provide humanitarian assistance to civilians.

https://www.merkley.senate.gov/senate-democrats-push-new-amendment-to-condition-us-military-aid-to-israel/

lees1975

(6,163 posts)
2. We need to take a careful look at all of the implications. I don't know that an embargo could get the support it needs.
Thu Aug 22, 2024, 05:07 PM
Aug 2024

But I really don't like what's happening to Gaza. That should be as unacceptable to us as Americans as the Russian missile bombardment of Ukraine.

 

onandup

(701 posts)
10. UN experts and about half of DUers (see poll) aren't serious people?
Thu Aug 22, 2024, 07:44 PM
Aug 2024
GENEVA (23 February 2024) – Any transfer of weapons or ammunition to Israel that would be used in Gaza is likely to violate international humanitarian law and must cease immediately, UN experts* warned today.

“All States must ‘ensure respect’ for international humanitarian law by parties to an armed conflict, as required by 1949 Geneva Conventions and customary international law,” the experts said. “States must accordingly refrain from transferring any weapon or ammunition – or parts for them – if it is expected, given the facts or past patterns of behaviour, that they would be used to violate international law.”

“Such transfers are prohibited even if the exporting State does not intend the arms to be used in violation of the law – or does not know with certainty that they would be used in such a way – as long as there is a clear risk,” they said.

The experts welcomed the decision of a Dutch appeals court on 12 February 2024 ordering the Netherlands to halt the export of F-35 fighter jet parts to Israel. The court found that there was a “clear risk” that the parts would be used to commit or facilitate serious violations of international humanitarian law, as “there are many indications that Israel has violated the humanitarian law of war in a not insignificant number of cases”.


https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/arms-exports-israel-must-stop-immediately-un-experts

MarineCombatEngineer

(14,548 posts)
12. LOFuckingL.
Thu Aug 22, 2024, 07:47 PM
Aug 2024

You know what's missing in that UN statement?
They don't say anything about Iran sending weapons and money to HAMAs, Hizbollah or the Houthis.
Think there's some antisemitism there?
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