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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAbout JD Vance and his "entreaty" to women to stop working and raise families.
1. Why not men stop working and raise families?
2. Why do rich women both don't work and raise families? Because they have nannies and au pairs.
3. When women stop working, they don't have access to their own money. When you have no money, you are beholden to your patron, often your father or your husband.
4. When you have no money, you have no power over your own decisions. Men choose for you.
5. When you have no money, you are more likely to be locked into a marriage that doesn't recognize you as a viable partner.
6. JD Vance is not saying the quiet part: Women are relegated to the roles our ancestors had to accept: maid, cook, chauffeur, marital prostitute, hostess, babysitter, slave, baby-maker, etc.
Lonestarblue
(12,051 posts)Women not being able to work harms them in so many ways. No economic independence, no money to file for divorce, no money to escape abusive husbands, and unequal relationships where the man makes all the decisions because he is the breadwinner. Vance and Republicans are arguing for a return to the 1800s when states passed anti-abortion laws and women gad no rights, including voting.
no_hypocrisy
(49,466 posts)Nine months later, she gave birth as a result of marital rape.
I wouldn't wish this on another woman.
surfered
(4,102 posts)Most of us dont have billionaire friends supporting us to achieve their political ends.
Ray Bruns
(4,788 posts)Prairie_Seagull
(3,844 posts)support a household?
Diamond_Dog
(35,436 posts)Seriously, what century do these clods live in?
Delmette2.0
(4,285 posts)we cannot take care of, food, shelter, education, medical. And some of them are in this country.
Male dominated society is complicit to this mess.
We should have women controlling more of our governments and businesses.
BattleRow
(1,262 posts)Stargazer99
(3,059 posts)but Republicans are so involved with their selfishness they don't give a damn because they will make sure the rich survive a living hell that will be for the rest of us
Freethinker65
(11,165 posts)onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(19,258 posts)The message is...DON'T BECOME A MAGA WOMAN!
phylny
(8,619 posts)One of the things we made sure of was that each of them would be able to support themselves, and family if they chose, whether or not they got married.
He wants women to have more babies yet the Republicans are doing nothing to help with IVF. Let me tell you, many young people are facing male infertility in the form of misshapen sperm or sperm with poor motility. Possible culprit is micro plastics.
Republicans are doing nothing to help with prenatal care, family leave, daycare or preschool costs, after school care. Theyre doing nothing to help relieve food insecurity.
Simply said, they are bat-shit crazy.
leftyladyfrommo
(19,469 posts)reproductive and women's health rights then some women will probably decide to have children. But until then it's just not safe to even consider it.
He is such a dumbass.
werdna
(942 posts)- Wealthier, white people who can afford to do so should. Relegating white women to baby making machines with the purpose of re-establishing the white majority in this country is, In effect, a battle cry to defeat the Great White Replacement and return white, wealthy control to our governments.. Couple it with their border policy and there you have it.
servermsh
(1,406 posts)ChicagoRonin
(711 posts)Taking middle and working class women out of the workforce and forcing them to have children will make all the non-wealthy that much poorer, less empowered, and unable to organize against the top.
haele
(13,716 posts)Or women whose husbands are poor managers and can't support their families?
Is he going to expect those women and the children under their care to just move back in with the nearest male family member and be his dependant to care for as well as his own wife and children? Or do they just check into the nearest workhouse where they and their children to become drones of the state? Along with any elderly people who are no longer "productive" and don't have enough money saved or invested to live independently.
Because that's pretty much the logical outcome of the current Republican policy.
You either pay for the privilege to survive comfortably, or you become a short-lived drone to be punished for being born poor (or disabled, or a female or person of color, without talent or a support structure in place).
It's all about the "cost" to the increasingly mediocre elite a person brings with them, not the quality of any particular individual. The GOP does not value anything. It's all transactional.
Haele
BattleRow
(1,262 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 4, 2024, 12:40 PM - Edit history (1)
like Mitch McConnell apparently are exempt..
Btw,does he and his wife have any children?
I cannot find any source stating that Elaine Chao has any children.
Not sure about cats,though.
LetMyPeopleVote
(156,305 posts)struggle4progress
(120,656 posts)TBF
(34,848 posts)what they desire is continued wealth, power, and cheap labor (so the cycle continues).
struggle4progress
(120,656 posts)Puppyjive
(618 posts)Working for the railroad and a coworker told me that I was just taking a job from a man. I told him that I didn't have a husband to support me. When I did have a child and got married, i did end up quitting to raise my son. Then I got back into college and the workforce when he started first grade. Women do what they are capable of when they can. There is no text book answer. JD Vance is an idiot.
IronLionZion
(47,315 posts)twodogsbarking
(12,291 posts)Attilatheblond
(4,827 posts)F' that! First of all, we are humans with human rights. Secondly, in what fantasy is a single income gonna house, feed, clothe and provide for a family?
It really seems, to me anyway, that the GOP and their masters are down to buying male voters with the promise of a slave in every home, cooking the chicken in the pot and making biscuits while pumping out children for the men to do god knows what to.
love_katz
(2,885 posts)Especially points number 3, 5, and 6.
Money provides access to power and autonomy in our society. If you don't have any money then you are cut off from both.
Also, the contributions of women to society is not valued. The unpaid work that women provide in our homes and to our families is estimated to be worth billions of dollars if it was paid for. Because that work isn't valued/paid for, women are far more likely to fall into poverty after a divorce, especially if they have children. Hiring lawyers to win alimony and child support costs a lot of money, and many women never receive the payments, especially if the man moves out of state or works a job where his pay cannot be garnished.
Basically, the oligarchs want to turn all women and anyone who isn't white, male, and wealthy into slaves.
Too many people seem to have forgotten that we had a war in 1865 to end slavery and they are also under the delusion that slavery can't make a comeback.
May patriarchy fall. Vote Blue!!!
Scrivener7
(53,459 posts)It's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS how I run my life. Fuck off!
jalan48
(14,569 posts)It's not about a choice, it's about necessity for these families. Vance is seriously out of touch with working families.
Happy Hoosier
(8,605 posts)What an absolute fuck-wit.
llmart
(16,331 posts)I think ole' JayDee the hillbilly has mommy issues.
IronLionZion
(47,315 posts)who would have two incomes
And then ask him if trans women should work or not. How about trans men?
LakeArenal
(29,888 posts)History said married woman could not teach school. Because married women were having sex. Dirty sex. Maybe even beyond procreation purposes.
Bev54
(11,951 posts)She worked for a high power law firm and has young children. I am sure her income was just too good but now he is running on this ridiculous label, she had to quit.
Crowman2009
(2,885 posts)Don't be surprised if he claims there are vitues into having you kid work in the coal mines, farms or slaughter houses.
keep_left
(2,583 posts)...MRA/PUA anti-woman rhetoric. He sounds like a new Roosh V, whereas the actual Roosh V aged out of "pickup artistry", got deplatformed, and deleted his entire web presence more than a year ago.
https://democraticunderground.com/100219415111#post1
Emile
(31,346 posts)even has children.
Retrograde
(10,787 posts)for millennia in the European world they worked alongside the rest of the family on the farms, tending crops and animals and doing the repetitive but necessary work of preparing meals and clothing for the family. When industry and factories came into being, they often worked in factories alongside the rest of the family to supplement the meager wages of the men and children. It was only with the development of a comfortable middle class - largely in the 19th century - that women began to have leisure time, because they could hire poor young women, either immigrants or fresh off the farm, to do some of the grunge work such as cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc. The picture of a nuclear family, with the mother staying at home to do her housework in heels and pearls, is largely a mid-20th century myth, and an ideal that could only be afforded by some lucky few.