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no_hypocrisy

(49,466 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:07 AM Sep 2024

About JD Vance and his "entreaty" to women to stop working and raise families.

1. Why not men stop working and raise families?
2. Why do rich women both don't work and raise families? Because they have nannies and au pairs.
3. When women stop working, they don't have access to their own money. When you have no money, you are beholden to your patron, often your father or your husband.
4. When you have no money, you have no power over your own decisions. Men choose for you.
5. When you have no money, you are more likely to be locked into a marriage that doesn't recognize you as a viable partner.
6. JD Vance is not saying the quiet part: Women are relegated to the roles our ancestors had to accept: maid, cook, chauffeur, marital prostitute, hostess, babysitter, slave, baby-maker, etc.

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About JD Vance and his "entreaty" to women to stop working and raise families. (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Sep 2024 OP
Republicans in some states have also been trying to ban no-fault divorce to make it harder for women to leave spouses. Lonestarblue Sep 2024 #1
My father's mother was more or less sold into marriage by her brother in 1904. no_hypocrisy Sep 2024 #2
Uh, excuse me. For most of us common folk, it takes both husband and wife working to make ends meet. surfered Sep 2024 #3
You know what would solve that problem? Another tax cut for billionaires and corporations. Ray Bruns Sep 2024 #29
How long before a third income is needed to Prairie_Seagull Sep 2024 #37
And many of them want to ban contraception, too! Diamond_Dog Sep 2024 #4
Already there are too many people on this planet that Delmette2.0 Sep 2024 #22
Hey they need cannon fodder BattleRow Sep 2024 #25
you are right Stargazer99 Sep 2024 #32
Bet JD would be a lot happier, and probably at least marginally better at, being a stay at home Dad. Freethinker65 Sep 2024 #5
Even for a woman who wants to do that. Their corporate overlords have made that impossible. onecaliberal Sep 2024 #6
These appeal to MAGA women. ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2024 #7
We have three daughters. phylny Sep 2024 #8
Tell him that when women get back their leftyladyfrommo Sep 2024 #9
I think the rationale behind his plea is - werdna Sep 2024 #10
Yes. I think this is their primary motivation. n/t servermsh Sep 2024 #11
It's also aimed at the lower classes ChicagoRonin Sep 2024 #13
What happens to widows or women whose husbands become disabled, huh? haele Sep 2024 #12
Elderly long lived drones BattleRow Sep 2024 #26
Vance is a nut case LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2024 #14
Hmmm. Why mot provide affordable healthcare, contraception, and childcare to folk? struggle4progress Sep 2024 #15
that would not fit the owners goals - TBF Sep 2024 #17
Well, I'm not circling the drain with that particular crowd struggle4progress Sep 2024 #18
I remember Puppyjive Sep 2024 #16
Because it benefits him and screws others IronLionZion Sep 2024 #19
He ain't right in the head. twodogsbarking Sep 2024 #20
JD Vance is advocating slavery and expects women to just agree to being unpaid brood mares & housekeepers Attilatheblond Sep 2024 #21
Excellent post; love_katz Sep 2024 #23
Yes, all of that, but also, Jimmy: how about you mind your own fucking business? Scrivener7 Sep 2024 #24
In many households both the man and the woman have to work to make ends meet. jalan48 Sep 2024 #27
JD Vance is the mst misogynist candidate in modern history. Happy Hoosier Sep 2024 #28
I'm not a psychologist but... llmart Sep 2024 #33
This plan benefits gay male couples IronLionZion Sep 2024 #30
The ironic part of Vance's "teachers must have children" is.... LakeArenal Sep 2024 #31
Why did his wife only quit her job when he was nominated for the VP position Bev54 Sep 2024 #34
Eventually he'll wander into child labor territory. Crowman2009 Sep 2024 #35
For nearly the entire campaign, Vance has been plagiarizing alt-right... keep_left Sep 2024 #36
Someone who is bi-sectional as he is, I'm surprised he Emile Sep 2024 #38
Women have always worked to support their families Retrograde Sep 2024 #39

Lonestarblue

(12,051 posts)
1. Republicans in some states have also been trying to ban no-fault divorce to make it harder for women to leave spouses.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:15 AM
Sep 2024

Women not being able to work harms them in so many ways. No economic independence, no money to file for divorce, no money to escape abusive husbands, and unequal relationships where the man makes all the decisions because he is the breadwinner. Vance and Republicans are arguing for a return to the 1800s when states passed anti-abortion laws and women gad no rights, including voting.

no_hypocrisy

(49,466 posts)
2. My father's mother was more or less sold into marriage by her brother in 1904.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:17 AM
Sep 2024

Nine months later, she gave birth as a result of marital rape.

I wouldn't wish this on another woman.

surfered

(4,102 posts)
3. Uh, excuse me. For most of us common folk, it takes both husband and wife working to make ends meet.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:18 AM
Sep 2024

Most of us don’t have billionaire friends supporting us to achieve their political ends.

Ray Bruns

(4,788 posts)
29. You know what would solve that problem? Another tax cut for billionaires and corporations.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:42 AM
Sep 2024

Diamond_Dog

(35,436 posts)
4. And many of them want to ban contraception, too!
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:20 AM
Sep 2024

Seriously, what century do these clods live in?

Delmette2.0

(4,285 posts)
22. Already there are too many people on this planet that
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:18 AM
Sep 2024

we cannot take care of, food, shelter, education, medical. And some of them are in this country.
Male dominated society is complicit to this mess.
We should have women controlling more of our governments and businesses.

Stargazer99

(3,059 posts)
32. you are right
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:59 AM
Sep 2024

but Republicans are so involved with their selfishness they don't give a damn because they will make sure the rich survive a living hell that will be for the rest of us

Freethinker65

(11,165 posts)
5. Bet JD would be a lot happier, and probably at least marginally better at, being a stay at home Dad.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:21 AM
Sep 2024

phylny

(8,619 posts)
8. We have three daughters.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:27 AM
Sep 2024

One of the things we made sure of was that each of them would be able to support themselves, and family if they chose, whether or not they got married.

He wants women to have more babies yet the Republicans are doing nothing to help with IVF. Let me tell you, many young people are facing male infertility in the form of misshapen sperm or sperm with poor motility. Possible culprit is micro plastics.

Republicans are doing nothing to help with prenatal care, family leave, daycare or preschool costs, after school care. They’re doing nothing to help relieve food insecurity.

Simply said, they are bat-shit crazy.

leftyladyfrommo

(19,469 posts)
9. Tell him that when women get back their
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:32 AM
Sep 2024

reproductive and women's health rights then some women will probably decide to have children. But until then it's just not safe to even consider it.

He is such a dumbass.

werdna

(942 posts)
10. I think the rationale behind his plea is -
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:39 AM
Sep 2024

- Wealthier, white people who can afford to do so should. Relegating white women to baby making machines with the purpose of re-establishing the white majority in this country is, In effect, a battle cry to defeat the Great White Replacement and return white, wealthy control to our governments.. Couple it with their border policy and there you have it.

ChicagoRonin

(711 posts)
13. It's also aimed at the lower classes
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:12 AM
Sep 2024

Taking middle and working class women out of the workforce and forcing them to have children will make all the non-wealthy that much poorer, less empowered, and unable to organize against the top.

haele

(13,716 posts)
12. What happens to widows or women whose husbands become disabled, huh?
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:08 AM
Sep 2024

Or women whose husbands are poor managers and can't support their families?
Is he going to expect those women and the children under their care to just move back in with the nearest male family member and be his dependant to care for as well as his own wife and children? Or do they just check into the nearest workhouse where they and their children to become drones of the state? Along with any elderly people who are no longer "productive" and don't have enough money saved or invested to live independently.
Because that's pretty much the logical outcome of the current Republican policy.
You either pay for the privilege to survive comfortably, or you become a short-lived drone to be punished for being born poor (or disabled, or a female or person of color, without talent or a support structure in place).
It's all about the "cost" to the increasingly mediocre elite a person brings with them, not the quality of any particular individual. The GOP does not value anything. It's all transactional.

Haele

BattleRow

(1,262 posts)
26. Elderly long lived drones
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:38 AM
Sep 2024

Last edited Wed Sep 4, 2024, 12:40 PM - Edit history (1)

like Mitch McConnell apparently are exempt..

Btw,does he and his wife have any children?

I cannot find any source stating that Elaine Chao has any children.
Not sure about cats,though.

TBF

(34,848 posts)
17. that would not fit the owners goals -
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:35 AM
Sep 2024

what they desire is continued wealth, power, and cheap labor (so the cycle continues).

Puppyjive

(618 posts)
16. I remember
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:35 AM
Sep 2024

Working for the railroad and a coworker told me that I was just taking a job from a man. I told him that I didn't have a husband to support me. When I did have a child and got married, i did end up quitting to raise my son. Then I got back into college and the workforce when he started first grade. Women do what they are capable of when they can. There is no text book answer. JD Vance is an idiot.

Attilatheblond

(4,827 posts)
21. JD Vance is advocating slavery and expects women to just agree to being unpaid brood mares & housekeepers
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:08 AM
Sep 2024

F' that! First of all, we are humans with human rights. Secondly, in what fantasy is a single income gonna house, feed, clothe and provide for a family?

It really seems, to me anyway, that the GOP and their masters are down to buying male voters with the promise of a slave in every home, cooking the chicken in the pot and making biscuits while pumping out children for the men to do god knows what to.

love_katz

(2,885 posts)
23. Excellent post;
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:19 AM
Sep 2024

Especially points number 3, 5, and 6.

Money provides access to power and autonomy in our society. If you don't have any money then you are cut off from both.

Also, the contributions of women to society is not valued. The unpaid work that women provide in our homes and to our families is estimated to be worth billions of dollars if it was paid for. Because that work isn't valued/paid for, women are far more likely to fall into poverty after a divorce, especially if they have children. Hiring lawyers to win alimony and child support costs a lot of money, and many women never receive the payments, especially if the man moves out of state or works a job where his pay cannot be garnished.

Basically, the oligarchs want to turn all women and anyone who isn't white, male, and wealthy into slaves.

Too many people seem to have forgotten that we had a war in 1865 to end slavery and they are also under the delusion that slavery can't make a comeback.

May patriarchy fall. Vote Blue!!!

Scrivener7

(53,459 posts)
24. Yes, all of that, but also, Jimmy: how about you mind your own fucking business?
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:25 AM
Sep 2024

It's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS how I run my life. Fuck off!

jalan48

(14,569 posts)
27. In many households both the man and the woman have to work to make ends meet.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:38 AM
Sep 2024

It's not about a choice, it's about necessity for these families. Vance is seriously out of touch with working families.

IronLionZion

(47,315 posts)
30. This plan benefits gay male couples
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:51 AM
Sep 2024

who would have two incomes

And then ask him if trans women should work or not. How about trans men?

LakeArenal

(29,888 posts)
31. The ironic part of Vance's "teachers must have children" is....
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:56 AM
Sep 2024

History said married woman could not teach school. Because married women were having sex. Dirty sex. Maybe even beyond procreation purposes.

Bev54

(11,951 posts)
34. Why did his wife only quit her job when he was nominated for the VP position
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 11:07 AM
Sep 2024

She worked for a high power law firm and has young children. I am sure her income was just too good but now he is running on this ridiculous label, she had to quit.

Crowman2009

(2,885 posts)
35. Eventually he'll wander into child labor territory.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 11:11 AM
Sep 2024

Don't be surprised if he claims there are vitues into having you kid work in the coal mines, farms or slaughter houses.

keep_left

(2,583 posts)
36. For nearly the entire campaign, Vance has been plagiarizing alt-right...
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 11:41 AM
Sep 2024

...MRA/PUA anti-woman rhetoric. He sounds like a new Roosh V, whereas the actual Roosh V aged out of "pickup artistry", got deplatformed, and deleted his entire web presence more than a year ago.

...Any number of times now during this campaign, Vance has been caught essentially plagiarizing alt-right rhetoric, delivering it directly to Trump fans in his speeches. This also serves to short-circuit the "mainstreaming" process that normally goes on in the culture (where the most overt bigotry and racism gets removed from, say, the rantings of Roosh V et al.). What Vance is doing is the cultural equivalent of injecting uncut hard drugs into the veins of the body politic.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219415111#post1

Retrograde

(10,787 posts)
39. Women have always worked to support their families
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 12:23 PM
Sep 2024

for millennia in the European world they worked alongside the rest of the family on the farms, tending crops and animals and doing the repetitive but necessary work of preparing meals and clothing for the family. When industry and factories came into being, they often worked in factories alongside the rest of the family to supplement the meager wages of the men and children. It was only with the development of a comfortable middle class - largely in the 19th century - that women began to have leisure time, because they could hire poor young women, either immigrants or fresh off the farm, to do some of the grunge work such as cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc. The picture of a nuclear family, with the mother staying at home to do her housework in heels and pearls, is largely a mid-20th century myth, and an ideal that could only be afforded by some lucky few.

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