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(88,782 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 05:53 PM Sep 4

Kamala Harris made her pitch today for 25 million new small business applications with passion, eloquence, and incentive

Chris Borkowski @cborkowski
Vice President Harris reveals her small business plans at her rally in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.$50,000 tax cut for new small business.

There's ton of other incentives and access to capital in the plan. She wants 25 million new business applications in her first 4 year term.


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Vice President Harris speaks at Throwback Brewery in North Hampton, N.H. today. THREAD
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Kamala Harris made her pitch today for 25 million new small business applications with passion, eloquence, and incentive (Original Post) bigtree Sep 4 OP
Awesome! SheltieLover Sep 4 #1
Love this, BUT dickthegrouch Sep 4 #2
small business incentives have been around for ages bigtree Sep 4 #3
Not an excuse to pass up the opportunity to revisit the protections against fraud dickthegrouch Sep 4 #4
you're looking for fraud. Good. bigtree Sep 4 #5
Nowhere have I said "Don't do it" dickthegrouch Sep 4 #6
otoh bigtree Sep 4 #7

dickthegrouch

(3,451 posts)
2. Love this, BUT
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 06:25 PM
Sep 4

Can we please have real oversight of the money expended, refusal of any kind of entry visa for non-residents who seek to apply using false addresses, and vicious penalties for fraud?

Far too much was stolen during the pandemic giveaways. Let's learn from that, and build necessary corrections into developing plans.

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In California alone $31B+ was lost in one government program:
https://abc7news.com/california-edd-unemployment-fraud-ca-scam-insurance/10011810/

bigtree

(88,782 posts)
3. small business incentives have been around for ages
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 06:45 PM
Sep 4

...it's not a pandemic-style emergency assistance.

It's an expansion of existing SBA efforts to help people start small businesses. An application isn't a guarantee. There will be standards to be met.

The current expense deduction for start-up costs in the first year is $5,000. VP Harris proposes expanding the tax deduction for start-ups to $50,000,

Small businesses can use the $5,000 deduction and then spread remaining startup costs over 15 years, according to The Wall Street Journal. Startup costs eligible for tax deductions include advertisements, pay for employees in training and for those who instruct them, consultant and executive salaries and travel for securing customers, suppliers or distributors, according to the IRS.

President Joe Biden’s administration announced Tuesday there have been 19 million new small business applications since the start of the president’s term.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2024/09/04/harris-proposes-50000-small-business-tax-deduction-for-startup-expenses-heres-what-to-know/

dickthegrouch

(3,451 posts)
4. Not an excuse to pass up the opportunity to revisit the protections against fraud
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 06:49 PM
Sep 4

And make sure they are robust.

bigtree

(88,782 posts)
5. you're looking for fraud. Good.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 07:08 PM
Sep 4

...that's really not a disincentive for the expansion of this program.

The fraud you're talking about occurs mostly in disaster programs, not targeted, agency-managed SBA loans they've been administering for decades.

Nor is this some kind of new challenge for the IRS who would be approving any tax incentive.

You've really come on with a lot of caution and no proof that anything in this proposal has any of the problems you describe.

I'm not able to defend against every hypothetical you can come up with. Certainly not comparing SBA loans and other tax incentives for business start-ups to pandemic-era emergency assistance to businesses.

dickthegrouch

(3,451 posts)
6. Nowhere have I said "Don't do it"
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 07:56 PM
Sep 4

I am merely advocating caution.

Since the very basis of this program is to create new businesses, I'm advocating a higher degree of oversight since there is, by definition, no history to rely on. None for the business itself, and probably, very little for its principals. And we all know that a very high percentage of new businesses fail.

This amount of money is sure to give rise to novel schemes. Let's not leave the taxpayer holding the bag again due to lax lawmaking.

bigtree

(88,782 posts)
7. otoh
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:57 PM
Sep 4

...these actions will help create a boom in employment, business ownership, and innovation which will help our economy grow immeasurably beyond what we've experienced so far, even from the ephemeral tech boom.

Consider that we've seen a collapse in the numbers of small businesses, many in the aftermath of the pandemic, centralizing dollars in big, corporate enterprises and taking money out of the economy for CEO profit taking.

Many small startups fail because of the immense costs. This is a logical step toward supporting much needed economic development which is historically beneficial to the wider economy.

Instead of just focusing on the well-recognized fact that milk sours if left out, let's not neglect to advertise the innumerable benefits for the majority of folks who refrigerate it properly, as well.

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