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deminks

(11,270 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:42 PM Sep 2024

CNN: AR15 style weapon used in Georgia school shooting

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/apalachee-high-school-shooting-georgia-09-04-24/index.html

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The weapon used in the mass shooting at Apalachee High School was an AR-15 style rifle, a law enforcement official told CNN.

The official did not provide any information on how investigators believe the suspect obtained the weapon or any other details on the weapon and ammunition used

End snip.

14 yr old with an AR 15.

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CNN: AR15 style weapon used in Georgia school shooting (Original Post) deminks Sep 2024 OP
figures... he got off a lot a shots lapfog_1 Sep 2024 #1
I presume it is easier to walk into ANYWHERE, Jack Valentino Sep 2024 #11
Thanks to the NRA rich7862 Sep 2024 #2
Americans kill their children in cold blood. Irish_Dem Sep 2024 #3
Most Americans don't love guns more than children, Jack Valentino Sep 2024 #12
This is simply not true. It is a story we tell ourselves. Irish_Dem Sep 2024 #31
Could have been sold at Republican Rep Andrew Clyde's gun store, not far from Winder. Just guessing, no info. Silent Type Sep 2024 #4
We should start providing AR-15s as a departing from hospital maternity wards gift to all newborns. sinkingfeeling Sep 2024 #5
Maybe we should, because once they are born, Republicans are DONE Jack Valentino Sep 2024 #13
Trump's shooter and this kid, maybe the same deal. What if dad just had hunting guns? Sure, they could just take brewens Sep 2024 #6
I was shocked to find that an AR-15 knockoff was one of the cheapest rifles Jack Valentino Sep 2024 #15
You can buy a lever action for less then $500 Kaleva Sep 2024 #17
Yes, but I couldn't find one on the internet at the time--- Jack Valentino Sep 2024 #18
I knew Rossi made lever action rifles Kaleva Sep 2024 #20
I liked the Henry I owned. Reliable and iron sight accurate ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 2024 #27
An AR-15 style rifle is a legal hunting rifle in many states Kaleva Sep 2024 #19
About hunting rifles AverageOldGuy Sep 2024 #30
14 year old with an AR-15. Which well regulated militia was the shooter a member of? BOSSHOG Sep 2024 #7
Since he was under 18 years old, his physical possession of the weapon was illegal Jack Valentino Sep 2024 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2024 #8
The Sheriff in a county close to today's shooting is putting on a Gun Show in October, for Christ's sake. Silent Type Sep 2024 #10
I think most police officers should be able to identify an AR-15 variant... Jack Valentino Sep 2024 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2024 #23
A "preponderance of force" was the doctrine of the Gulf wars, and Jack Valentino Sep 2024 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2024 #25
How many have to die... RANDYWILDMAN Sep 2024 #9
Is that a "long gun" or wtf they usually call that shit? Klarkashton Sep 2024 #14
yes. All rifles are "long guns". Jack Valentino Sep 2024 #16
Repukes must be proud to refusing to authorize Dianne Feinstein's assault JohnSJ Sep 2024 #26
I will post this when ever there is a mass shooting ... aggiesal Sep 2024 #28
It's about the AR-15 AverageOldGuy Sep 2024 #29
Other Countries don't have these issues for some reason. BrightKnight Sep 2024 #32

lapfog_1

(30,285 posts)
1. figures... he got off a lot a shots
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:45 PM
Sep 2024

the real question is how he got it and how he just walked into school with it.

Jack Valentino

(1,550 posts)
11. I presume it is easier to walk into ANYWHERE,
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:14 PM
Sep 2024

when you are carrying an AR-15....


... unless tended locked-door security measures are in place.

rich7862

(252 posts)
2. Thanks to the NRA
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:46 PM
Sep 2024

In its extremist Mandate for Leadership, dubbed “Project 2025: Presidential Transition Project,” the far-right Heritage Foundation has outlined an extreme policy vision to put power—and profits—back in the hands of the corporate gun lobby at the expense of public safety. Among other radical proposals, this agenda calls for undermining the effectiveness of federal law enforcement and replacing experts tasked with protecting the American people with far-right loyalists who don’t know how to keep our communities safe. In May 2024, Project 2025 had a booth at the annual National Rifle Association (NRA) convention,

Irish_Dem

(60,851 posts)
3. Americans kill their children in cold blood.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:46 PM
Sep 2024

With military grade weapons.
Shot to ribbons.

Everyone says there is nothing we can do.

We should hang our heads in deep shame.

We have failed our children.

Jack Valentino

(1,550 posts)
12. Most Americans don't love guns more than children,
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:16 PM
Sep 2024

but enough of a powerful minority do that they have prevented much change thus far---

much of the same minority that demands we protect the "lives" of
those who have never been born. After you're born,
better get yourself some body armor



Irish_Dem

(60,851 posts)
31. This is simply not true. It is a story we tell ourselves.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 05:45 AM
Sep 2024

We live in a democracy and can vote out leaders who promote gun violence.

We refuse to do so.

We pretend we are helpless.
While we kill our children in cold blood.

Disgusting.

Silent Type

(7,586 posts)
4. Could have been sold at Republican Rep Andrew Clyde's gun store, not far from Winder. Just guessing, no info.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:49 PM
Sep 2024

sinkingfeeling

(53,406 posts)
5. We should start providing AR-15s as a departing from hospital maternity wards gift to all newborns.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:49 PM
Sep 2024
 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
6. Trump's shooter and this kid, maybe the same deal. What if dad just had hunting guns? Sure, they could just take
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:56 PM
Sep 2024

the deer rifle, but would they? They are harder to conceal and slower firing. A guy that just hunts doesn't usually bother to have a whole bunch of ammo. They used to not bother anyway. You loaded up on shells when you bought your hunting license.

Mass marketing those assault rifles has been a disaster. A big part of their wanting everyone to have one of those things is so they are invested in the whole gun MAGAt thing. Congratulations, now you own a gun the guvmint wants to take.

Jack Valentino

(1,550 posts)
15. I was shocked to find that an AR-15 knockoff was one of the cheapest rifles
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:26 PM
Sep 2024

I could find, while shopping guns on the internet, starting at about $550.

The cheapest Winchester-type lever action that I found was around $1300, in comparison.


Now, I didn't spend a great deal of time or effort searching, but those were my initial results...
which made no sense to me.

Probably a .22 would have been cheaper, but I wasn't interested in those.

Kaleva

(38,732 posts)
17. You can buy a lever action for less then $500
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:45 PM
Sep 2024

As one can buy AR-15 style rifles for well over a grand.

Jack Valentino

(1,550 posts)
18. Yes, but I couldn't find one on the internet at the time---
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:47 PM
Sep 2024

I did suspect I would have better luck actually shopping gun stores physically, and used guns, but these were just my initial results shopping on the internet for an hour or so....

Kaleva

(38,732 posts)
20. I knew Rossi made lever action rifles
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:52 PM
Sep 2024

So I looked at a on line gun shop and found such guns available for prices from close to a thousand down to below $500

ArkansasDemocrat1

(3,213 posts)
27. I liked the Henry I owned. Reliable and iron sight accurate
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 11:20 PM
Sep 2024

The center-fire lever rifles start at $900 at Academy unless you want a .22 Magnum center-fire which is cheaper.

Kaleva

(38,732 posts)
19. An AR-15 style rifle is a legal hunting rifle in many states
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:49 PM
Sep 2024

In Michigan, I could legally hunt deer with it.

AverageOldGuy

(2,260 posts)
30. About hunting rifles
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 11:53 PM
Sep 2024

I own a few rifles for hunting -- Weatherby and Remington -- in various calibers: .243, .308, 7mm magnum. Each of them is bolt action and each has a magazine that holds 4 or 5 rounds.

Why only 4-5 rounds? Because it you shoot at a deer, antelope, bighorn sheep and miss, you may get lucky and get a second shot but you will not get a 3d or 4th shot because the critter is long gone when s/he hears the first shot.

If you need a 10- or 20-round magazine to hunt, you really should take up needlepoint as a hobby.

Jack Valentino

(1,550 posts)
21. Since he was under 18 years old, his physical possession of the weapon was illegal
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:59 PM
Sep 2024

without the presence of a parent...

This really has no bearing on '2nd amendment rights' arguments,
since he did not own the weapon, and had no right to be carrying it around
without a parent present (presumably at a target range or hunting with a parent
would be the exceptions usually allowed)

Whether those exceptions are acceptable is of course, another subject
worthy of debate.

Response to deminks (Original post)

Silent Type

(7,586 posts)
10. The Sheriff in a county close to today's shooting is putting on a Gun Show in October, for Christ's sake.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:10 PM
Sep 2024

Jack Valentino

(1,550 posts)
22. I think most police officers should be able to identify an AR-15 variant...
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:02 PM
Sep 2024

When they tell us what is was,
is more a matter of
when they wish to tell us what it was.....

Took a pretty damned long-time for us to be informed of what weapon the Trump shooter had used, in a case of extreme national significance.

In fact it took quite a bit longer, than in this case, seems to me, anyway...

Response to Jack Valentino (Reply #22)

Jack Valentino

(1,550 posts)
24. A "preponderance of force" was the doctrine of the Gulf wars, and
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:56 PM
Sep 2024

too many police officers seem to have taken the doctrine to heart---

'shoot and keep shooting until any possible threat is eliminated'


Suspects who were downed with one or two bullets receive 10 or 15 or 23--- you've heard the thing, I'm sure.


Response to Jack Valentino (Reply #24)

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,961 posts)
9. How many have to die...
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:08 PM
Sep 2024

before we ban this MOFO gun !! Sadly every R must owe his loyalty to the second amendment/NRA over having children being safe at school !

This could have been my school and I always feel so bad for the kids who live through this and all the guilt they must feel...

Klarkashton

(2,400 posts)
14. Is that a "long gun" or wtf they usually call that shit?
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:25 PM
Sep 2024

Somebody here can correct me but I will ignore it.

Jack Valentino

(1,550 posts)
16. yes. All rifles are "long guns".
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:30 PM
Sep 2024

Most all others are known as pistols or handguns, which have a barrel less than 20-some inches.

AverageOldGuy

(2,260 posts)
29. It's about the AR-15
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 11:48 PM
Sep 2024

I served on Army active duty April 1967 to April 1995 -- 28 years, one year in the bush in a place called Vietnam. In addition to a 50-60 pound rucksack, I carried grenades, water, loaded ammo magazines, and AN M-16 RIFLE. As with all military weapons, the M-16 is designed for one purpose: KILLING. Not target shooting, not hunting. KILLING. And it does that very well. I know. I used it damn near every day and night.

THE AR-15 IS NOTHING BUT AN IMPROVED M-16. and don't anyone forget this. It was designed to kill people. Not hunting, not target shooting, but to KILL PEOPLE.

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