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deminks

(11,198 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:42 PM Wednesday

CNN: AR15 style weapon used in Georgia school shooting

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/apalachee-high-school-shooting-georgia-09-04-24/index.html

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The weapon used in the mass shooting at Apalachee High School was an AR-15 style rifle, a law enforcement official told CNN.

The official did not provide any information on how investigators believe the suspect obtained the weapon or any other details on the weapon and ammunition used

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14 yr old with an AR 15.

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CNN: AR15 style weapon used in Georgia school shooting (Original Post) deminks Wednesday OP
figures... he got off a lot a shots lapfog_1 Wednesday #1
I presume it is easier to walk into ANYWHERE, Jack Valentino Wednesday #11
Thanks to the NRA rich7862 Wednesday #2
Americans kill their children in cold blood. Irish_Dem Wednesday #3
Most Americans don't love guns more than children, Jack Valentino Wednesday #12
This is simply not true. It is a story we tell ourselves. Irish_Dem Thursday #31
Could have been sold at Republican Rep Andrew Clyde's gun store, not far from Winder. Just guessing, no info. Silent Type Wednesday #4
We should start providing AR-15s as a departing from hospital maternity wards gift to all newborns. sinkingfeeling Wednesday #5
Maybe we should, because once they are born, Republicans are DONE Jack Valentino Wednesday #13
Trump's shooter and this kid, maybe the same deal. What if dad just had hunting guns? Sure, they could just take brewens Wednesday #6
I was shocked to find that an AR-15 knockoff was one of the cheapest rifles Jack Valentino Wednesday #15
You can buy a lever action for less then $500 Kaleva Wednesday #17
Yes, but I couldn't find one on the internet at the time--- Jack Valentino Wednesday #18
I knew Rossi made lever action rifles Kaleva Wednesday #20
I liked the Henry I owned. Reliable and iron sight accurate ArkansasDemocrat1 Thursday #27
An AR-15 style rifle is a legal hunting rifle in many states Kaleva Wednesday #19
About hunting rifles AverageOldGuy Thursday #30
14 year old with an AR-15. Which well regulated militia was the shooter a member of? BOSSHOG Wednesday #7
Since he was under 18 years old, his physical possession of the weapon was illegal Jack Valentino Wednesday #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Wednesday #8
The Sheriff in a county close to today's shooting is putting on a Gun Show in October, for Christ's sake. Silent Type Wednesday #10
I think most police officers should be able to identify an AR-15 variant... Jack Valentino Wednesday #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Wednesday #23
A "preponderance of force" was the doctrine of the Gulf wars, and Jack Valentino Wednesday #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Thursday #25
How many have to die... RANDYWILDMAN Wednesday #9
Is that a "long gun" or wtf they usually call that shit? Klarkashton Wednesday #14
yes. All rifles are "long guns". Jack Valentino Wednesday #16
Repukes must be proud to refusing to authorize Dianne Feinstein's assault JohnSJ Thursday #26
I will post this when ever there is a mass shooting ... aggiesal Thursday #28
It's about the AR-15 AverageOldGuy Thursday #29
Other Countries don't have these issues for some reason. BrightKnight Thursday #32

lapfog_1

(29,809 posts)
1. figures... he got off a lot a shots
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:45 PM
Wednesday

the real question is how he got it and how he just walked into school with it.

Jack Valentino

(286 posts)
11. I presume it is easier to walk into ANYWHERE,
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:14 PM
Wednesday

when you are carrying an AR-15....


... unless tended locked-door security measures are in place.

rich7862

(65 posts)
2. Thanks to the NRA
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:46 PM
Wednesday

In its extremist Mandate for Leadership, dubbed “Project 2025: Presidential Transition Project,” the far-right Heritage Foundation has outlined an extreme policy vision to put power—and profits—back in the hands of the corporate gun lobby at the expense of public safety. Among other radical proposals, this agenda calls for undermining the effectiveness of federal law enforcement and replacing experts tasked with protecting the American people with far-right loyalists who don’t know how to keep our communities safe. In May 2024, Project 2025 had a booth at the annual National Rifle Association (NRA) convention,

Irish_Dem

(55,332 posts)
3. Americans kill their children in cold blood.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:46 PM
Wednesday

With military grade weapons.
Shot to ribbons.

Everyone says there is nothing we can do.

We should hang our heads in deep shame.

We have failed our children.

Jack Valentino

(286 posts)
12. Most Americans don't love guns more than children,
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:16 PM
Wednesday

but enough of a powerful minority do that they have prevented much change thus far---

much of the same minority that demands we protect the "lives" of
those who have never been born. After you're born,
better get yourself some body armor



Irish_Dem

(55,332 posts)
31. This is simply not true. It is a story we tell ourselves.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 06:45 AM
Thursday

We live in a democracy and can vote out leaders who promote gun violence.

We refuse to do so.

We pretend we are helpless.
While we kill our children in cold blood.

Disgusting.

Silent Type

(5,341 posts)
4. Could have been sold at Republican Rep Andrew Clyde's gun store, not far from Winder. Just guessing, no info.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:49 PM
Wednesday

brewens

(14,816 posts)
6. Trump's shooter and this kid, maybe the same deal. What if dad just had hunting guns? Sure, they could just take
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:56 PM
Wednesday

the deer rifle, but would they? They are harder to conceal and slower firing. A guy that just hunts doesn't usually bother to have a whole bunch of ammo. They used to not bother anyway. You loaded up on shells when you bought your hunting license.

Mass marketing those assault rifles has been a disaster. A big part of their wanting everyone to have one of those things is so they are invested in the whole gun MAGAt thing. Congratulations, now you own a gun the guvmint wants to take.

Jack Valentino

(286 posts)
15. I was shocked to find that an AR-15 knockoff was one of the cheapest rifles
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:26 PM
Wednesday

I could find, while shopping guns on the internet, starting at about $550.

The cheapest Winchester-type lever action that I found was around $1300, in comparison.


Now, I didn't spend a great deal of time or effort searching, but those were my initial results...
which made no sense to me.

Probably a .22 would have been cheaper, but I wasn't interested in those.

Kaleva

(37,489 posts)
17. You can buy a lever action for less then $500
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:45 PM
Wednesday

As one can buy AR-15 style rifles for well over a grand.

Jack Valentino

(286 posts)
18. Yes, but I couldn't find one on the internet at the time---
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:47 PM
Wednesday

I did suspect I would have better luck actually shopping gun stores physically, and used guns, but these were just my initial results shopping on the internet for an hour or so....

Kaleva

(37,489 posts)
20. I knew Rossi made lever action rifles
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:52 PM
Wednesday

So I looked at a on line gun shop and found such guns available for prices from close to a thousand down to below $500

ArkansasDemocrat1

(2,484 posts)
27. I liked the Henry I owned. Reliable and iron sight accurate
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 12:20 AM
Thursday

The center-fire lever rifles start at $900 at Academy unless you want a .22 Magnum center-fire which is cheaper.

Kaleva

(37,489 posts)
19. An AR-15 style rifle is a legal hunting rifle in many states
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:49 PM
Wednesday

In Michigan, I could legally hunt deer with it.

AverageOldGuy

(1,819 posts)
30. About hunting rifles
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 12:53 AM
Thursday

I own a few rifles for hunting -- Weatherby and Remington -- in various calibers: .243, .308, 7mm magnum. Each of them is bolt action and each has a magazine that holds 4 or 5 rounds.

Why only 4-5 rounds? Because it you shoot at a deer, antelope, bighorn sheep and miss, you may get lucky and get a second shot but you will not get a 3d or 4th shot because the critter is long gone when s/he hears the first shot.

If you need a 10- or 20-round magazine to hunt, you really should take up needlepoint as a hobby.

Jack Valentino

(286 posts)
21. Since he was under 18 years old, his physical possession of the weapon was illegal
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:59 PM
Wednesday

without the presence of a parent...

This really has no bearing on '2nd amendment rights' arguments,
since he did not own the weapon, and had no right to be carrying it around
without a parent present (presumably at a target range or hunting with a parent
would be the exceptions usually allowed)

Whether those exceptions are acceptable is of course, another subject
worthy of debate.

Response to deminks (Original post)

Silent Type

(5,341 posts)
10. The Sheriff in a county close to today's shooting is putting on a Gun Show in October, for Christ's sake.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:10 PM
Wednesday

Jack Valentino

(286 posts)
22. I think most police officers should be able to identify an AR-15 variant...
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 11:02 PM
Wednesday

When they tell us what is was,
is more a matter of
when they wish to tell us what it was.....

Took a pretty damned long-time for us to be informed of what weapon the Trump shooter had used, in a case of extreme national significance.

In fact it took quite a bit longer, than in this case, seems to me, anyway...

Response to Jack Valentino (Reply #22)

Jack Valentino

(286 posts)
24. A "preponderance of force" was the doctrine of the Gulf wars, and
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 11:56 PM
Wednesday

too many police officers seem to have taken the doctrine to heart---

'shoot and keep shooting until any possible threat is eliminated'


Suspects who were downed with one or two bullets receive 10 or 15 or 23--- you've heard the thing, I'm sure.


Response to Jack Valentino (Reply #24)

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,814 posts)
9. How many have to die...
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:08 PM
Wednesday

before we ban this MOFO gun !! Sadly every R must owe his loyalty to the second amendment/NRA over having children being safe at school !

This could have been my school and I always feel so bad for the kids who live through this and all the guilt they must feel...

Klarkashton

(976 posts)
14. Is that a "long gun" or wtf they usually call that shit?
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:25 PM
Wednesday

Somebody here can correct me but I will ignore it.

Jack Valentino

(286 posts)
16. yes. All rifles are "long guns".
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:30 PM
Wednesday

Most all others are known as pistols or handguns, which have a barrel less than 20-some inches.

AverageOldGuy

(1,819 posts)
29. It's about the AR-15
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 12:48 AM
Thursday

I served on Army active duty April 1967 to April 1995 -- 28 years, one year in the bush in a place called Vietnam. In addition to a 50-60 pound rucksack, I carried grenades, water, loaded ammo magazines, and AN M-16 RIFLE. As with all military weapons, the M-16 is designed for one purpose: KILLING. Not target shooting, not hunting. KILLING. And it does that very well. I know. I used it damn near every day and night.

THE AR-15 IS NOTHING BUT AN IMPROVED M-16. and don't anyone forget this. It was designed to kill people. Not hunting, not target shooting, but to KILL PEOPLE.

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