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What a Difference a Judge MakesJack Smith has a good day in DC Federal Court
In a Joint Status Report in the DC election interference case, Special Counsel Jack Smith told Judge Tanya Chutkan that his opening brief would mention secret grand jury evidence that was not disclosed in the latest indictment of former President Trump. Thats an important development, as this means that the public will see potentially incriminating evidence about the GOP candidate for President shortly before the election.
In addition, Judge Chutkan ruled that the issue of Presidential immunity will be fully briefed on Jack Smiths timetable which is before the election. And in three weeks, Smith is going to preview his case in his written pleadings, including the new evidence against Trump. Thats why yesterdays hearing before Judge Chutkan was a win for Jack Smith, which had to be a breath of fresh air considering the constant beating that he and his fellow prosecutors have taken in Judge Aileen Cannons courtroom who was considered pro-prosecution before the defendant was named Donald Trump.
MORE:
https://meidasnews.com/news/what-a-difference-a-judge-makes
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.233.0_2.pdf
ScratchCat
(2,399 posts)What type of "secret grand jury evidence" which appears to also be classified would there be pertaining to the J6 case? Some people have theorized it may be the "erased" SS texts. I'm not sure that would be classified information in and of itself, but it might be the "how" they got that info(NSA) that is part of "sources and methods" that has to be protected. Other than that, I am at a loss at what there could be pertaining to this case which is also sensitive at a classified level.
durablend
(7,884 posts)"Walz drinks shakes through a straw for gods sake. I think we know what the bigger crime is here"
Brainfodder
(7,172 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,730 posts)Scrivener7
(52,391 posts)Thank you.
ProudMNDemocrat
(18,909 posts)Especially allowing John Lauro to spill the beans that Clarence Thomas is involved as well.
Jack Smith may not have said much about this case. That only shows he is as SLY AS A FOX when it comes to his strategies. Leave enough rope for the other guy to hang himself with.
Judge: Clarence Thomas told you to say that?
Lauro: Um
er
um
mucholderthandirt
(1,099 posts)usonian
(13,470 posts)Cop killer granted clemency by Trump is convicted in Florida of attacking his wife
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida/2024/09/04/cop-killer-granted-clemency-by-trump-is-convicted-florida-attacking-his-wife/
Trump: Death penalty for cop killers
https://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/10/politics/donald-trump-police-officers-death-penalty/index.html
Billboard, anyone?
ProudMNDemocrat
(18,909 posts)She is experienced enough to be able to reverse the psychology.
tRump attempt to pull a Willie Horton on her, she will nail his ass with the pardon he gave to a killer of a policeman who was convicted of strangling his wife. The look on his face will be one of horror!
Iggo
(48,203 posts)Shes kind of a dick when she needs to be.
ancianita
(38,102 posts)Too bad, because FL voters need to see this more than any other state. Just sayin'.
Thanks!
usonian
(13,470 posts)Known by all who have been to San Francisco.
Oddly enough, billboards to edit that are nearly "square" are infrequent on my visits to the Internet image gallery.
That limits choices.
Nice idea, though.
Trump's Comey and Willie need more exposure.
TO SHARKS AND BATTERIES.
RandomNumbers
(18,111 posts)I mean, she is only a woman, not like an actual citizen or anything. She is his property and he can do anything he wants to her, right?
Hopefully not needed, but just in case -
usonian
(13,470 posts)DeeDeeNY
(3,456 posts)If Fox News or NewsMax don't fully report on the subject, millions of Republicans won't know about it. Just like millions of Magas never saw the J6 hearings.
Trueblue Texan
(2,886 posts)...but I think it's relevance before the election is negligible. The ones who still support TFG, won't be swayed by any evidence, no matter how revealing of TFG's evil lawlessness.
calimary
(83,997 posts)subterranean
(3,532 posts)and push some of the few remaining "undecideds" into the Harris/Walz column. That might make all the difference.
Iggo
(48,203 posts)Because theyre stupid.
whopis01
(3,710 posts)But I think at this point in the game it is more about deciding whether or not to actually bother voting.
I find it almost impossible to believe that anyone who is a consistent voter is undecided. Or that anything is going to change peoples minds from supporting Trump to not supporting him or vice versa.
But what may have an effect is the enthusiasm level of people who are less consistent voters. Whichever party can drive the enthusiasm more will have a huge advantage. And right now Harris is doing great at that.
Cosmocat
(14,913 posts)both siding at best and ever increasingly tipping the scale down for Ds and up for Rs.
hawkeye21
(198 posts)Anyone who can't see what Donald Trump is, and always has been, has no excuse. They can't blame anyone for supporting a known felon, racist, malignant narcissist, egomaniac, sex offender, adulterer, religious hypocrite, misogynist, pathological liar, sociopath . . .
The man who ran six of his companies into bankruptcy . . . including three casinos. The house always wins. Except when the house is owned by Donald Trump. Then the house goes bankrupt. And people say this brilliant business mind who already failed at handling the economy should get another shot at it.
The man who claims himself to be smarter than the generals, more brilliant than the scientists, better looking than anyone . . .
The guy who calls service members "suckers" and "losers" and who uses the Bible and Arlington National Cemetery as partisan campaign props.
No, there are no excuses for anyone who supports one of the most disgusting excuses for humanity ever to trod the earth.
MyMission
(1,996 posts)The undecided who are considering not voting, or writing in because they don't like either candidate or party... I know 2 such people who were voting for Kennedy.
This might spur those in that group to realize they cant sit out this election or waste their vote on a write in (Liz Chaney mentioned this). But I also think writing in is better than voting for tfg, for anyone who can't bring themselves to vote for Harris or a Democrat.
His diehard supporters won't be swayed, but over the years I've seen his support from conservatives (with a patriotic conscience?) erode. Groups like the Lincoln project formed to call out the maga movement. With each event or interview, tfg loses some support, from some who were going to vote for him because he's the gop candidate and they were going along.
Some conservative regularly says "that's the final straw. I can't vote for him!"
Some even go further and say they're voting for Harris. That's my hope.
I'm in NC and it will be close here. The 2 people I know who planned to vote for Kennedy and are now in a tizzy. Do they listen to him and support tfg, who they'd decided not to support? Do they write in or just not vote? In my efforts to persuade these crazy friends not to vote for tfg, I might encourage them to still vote for rfk if he's on the ballot here. Fewer votes for tfg means better chance for Harris in NC and many states. They know I support Harris and we generally avoid discussing politics. They usually jab first which gives me license to respond. The gold star mom telling vets not to vote for tfg got me a "just stop" response, which I wouldn't have sent it if they hadn't sent me some crazy conservative crap! I'd say I hit a nerve on that one.
I dont believe there are significant numbers that havent decided if they are voting for Harris or for Trump. But there could be significant chunks who arent strongly committed to voting at all.
moonscape
(5,283 posts)in a tizzy now, my $ is on them going with the menace. Or maybe theyll go with him anyway as you suggested, but. moving to Kamala would likely be too much of a lift.
Anyone who believes bear guys crazy is more menace than were-not-going-back.
Evolve Dammit
(18,378 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,484 posts)for RFK Jr, that doesn't say much for them already.
The complete stupidity of some in the US apparently runs too deep to be curable.
ancianita
(38,102 posts)could be changed when that's done, so better to get those facts out there than not.
BlueWavePsych
(3,056 posts)PatSeg
(49,607 posts)Will this potential "incriminating evidence" be any worse than all we've seen for years? Barely a week goes by that we don't hear another horror story about the man.
ancianita
(38,102 posts)No matter how we view his broad criminality. We never know what new facts will finally tip people away from him.
PatSeg
(49,607 posts)I'm for getting it all out there, though I'm not expecting any major surprises. Actually, when it comes to Trump, nothing he does or has done would surprise me.
ancianita
(38,102 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 7, 2024, 09:36 AM - Edit history (1)
going into the stretch.
I've had to discipline myself from venting, and stay focused on the seriousness of this criminal. I've had to mentally fight against media-normalizing of this criminal, which for me, means to fight against losing faith in those who do the hard investigating 24/7, keep watch and keep record straight. Into the stretch, I want to hold on to appreciating the thousands of agents of justice behind the scenes, the unseen hardworking law enforcers, even as newsfeed hype distracts us with the fake power humblehype this criminal spews in the months ahead while he runs toward the dark dead end wall he's only now starting to see.
We've all suffered this man for so many years, that going into the home stretch people just want to have this all be over with, feeling like dawn takes forever to break. When its darkest and the sky gets lighter we feel it will never come soon enough. But that's when we all need to feel the DNC hope, link arms and keep walking.
Thank heaven Biden keeps reminding us that there's absolutely nothing we can't do when we do it together. Fighting and winning on Nov 5 is what we have to do together. So this banal, boring criminal never darkens our days again.
Thanks for reading, Pat...it's past my bedtime, so ...
PatSeg
(49,607 posts)Though I remind myself that it wasn't really about Trump the individual. The world is full of such jerks, but when one of them rises to such heights, it is time to reevaluate our society and why people are often drawn to such absurd, immoral leaders.
I understand history runs in cycles and we need to focus on preventing people like Trump from getting political power. Of course, I think the first and most important step is holding them accountable, which is why all these legal proceedings against him are absolutely vital.
I do believe the nightmare is almost over, but hopefully people will remain aware that it most certainly can happen again.
Thanks for the conversation!
Duncanpup
(13,646 posts)It wont happen as Garland does not want to seem political which is ridiculous
Here is to 2025 and an Attorney General with a backbone who prosecutes law breaking Supreme Court judges and traitor supporting trump cultist.
ancianita
(38,102 posts)Since before 1948, only judges of the Judicial Conference have jurisdiction & power to act. And Congress. But not this one. The next one when/if we win the trifecta in 2024. Then they can begin impeachment investigations and proceedings, impeach, then the Senate can remove him. THEN Congress can begin Judiciary Committee work to write a bill that will expand SCOTUS to 13.
The conference was renamed the Judicial Conference of the United States in 1948.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Conference_of_the_United_States
Don't bash the best AG in decades before you a) actually ASK GOOGLE whether or not he can, b) look up the history of the three branches, and c) get more facts. At least have some basis for your attacks on the man who's been wise and experienced enough to choose Jack Smith.
I assumed because he was so corrupt yet you told me straight thank you
ancianita
(38,102 posts)do something.
Watch Whitehouse from the 9:25 point onward, when he mentions the Judicial Conference.
asm128
(207 posts)Because obviously he knows nothing:
"The US attorney general should appoint a special counsel to investigate potential criminal violations of federal ethics and tax laws by the supreme court justice Clarence Thomas, two Democratic senators have said."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/10/clarence-thomas-investigation-democrats-justice-department
But what do they know... They are only lawyers, one of which is on the Senate Judiciary Committee
ancianita
(38,102 posts)Congress or the Judicial Conference are TAX LAWS. Whitehouse has said that without reference to Wikipedia. He's a lawyer.
Sarcasm duly noted. Though you could have read my previous posts about justices' tax accountability.
Evolve Dammit
(18,378 posts)onandup
(701 posts)If what's out there is not enough for someone, I don't know what is.
Justice matters.
(7,435 posts)Probably just in time (with proper redaction)?
rubbersole
(8,337 posts)Figarosmom
(2,188 posts)All the delays wg I uld help him. In my mind I could see at least one of his cases pushed till it became the October surprise. Surprise a__hole.
Sky Jewels
(8,747 posts)ShazzieB
(18,444 posts)Who cares? There are people who ARE persuadable and this will make them think.
Making evidence against TSF public is NOT a waste of time just because 100% of the population isn't persuaded by it.
Sky Jewels
(8,747 posts)that 34 Trump felony convictions didn't seem to dent his support. His cult is just fine and dandy with any crime he might commit. He was correct about the 5th Ave. shooting thing.
markodochartaigh
(1,909 posts)which "will shrug it off". About one third can't be bothered to vote. They usually shrug everything off. And that is the third where we can hope to make some headway.
Also the "shoot someone on 5th Ave and wouldn't lose votes" is widely misunderstood in my opinion. If Trump actually executed someone like that it would energize his supporters. In fact, Trump did that. He executed more federal death row prisoners than any president in a century. Even leading up to his coup attempt.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-executions-biden-death-penalty-brandon-bernard-c1b26807c5c40b337d14485c3d6df2de
PennRalphie
(260 posts)On a 3 week trip. I know many DUers live here. I really thought the sentiment would be a million times for Kamala.
I have to say we MUST work very hard to make sure shes elected. I still think she has PA, but Im going to be honest. We have a fight on our hands.
Keep your eyes on the prize. Winning. Dont let distractions get in the way. She still must really nail down her fracking stance. Im confident she can do that in the debate. Shes in Pittsburgh prepping for the debate. I want to see an actual debate knockout.
Im just surprised that even in the liberal cities (like Amsterdam), theres not more enthusiasm for Kamala. We must, must,must keep working to make sure shes elected.
On a side note, my wife, who hates insects of any kind, is always perplexed at the lack of window screens here.
Im keeping up with Kamala through DU. thanks for all of your posts.
Figarosmom
(2,188 posts)Post deleted by poster
Brainfodder
(7,172 posts)Totally INNOCENT men don't need all these SUS AF breaks, do they?