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kpete

(72,882 posts)
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 09:05 AM Sep 6

The public will see potentially incriminating evidence about the GOP candidate for President shortly before the election

What a Difference a Judge Makes
Jack Smith has a good day in DC Federal Court


In a Joint Status Report in the DC election interference case, Special Counsel Jack Smith told Judge Tanya Chutkan that his opening brief would mention secret grand jury evidence that was not disclosed in the latest indictment of former President Trump. That’s an important development, as this means that the public will see potentially incriminating evidence about the GOP candidate for President shortly before the election.

In addition, Judge Chutkan ruled that the issue of Presidential immunity will be fully briefed on Jack Smith’s timetable – which is before the election. And in three weeks, Smith is going to preview his case in his written pleadings, including the new evidence against Trump. That’s why yesterday’s hearing before Judge Chutkan was a win for Jack Smith, which had to be a breath of fresh air considering the constant beating that he and his fellow prosecutors have taken in Judge Aileen Cannon’s courtroom – who was considered pro-prosecution before the defendant was named Donald Trump.

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https://meidasnews.com/news/what-a-difference-a-judge-makes
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.233.0_2.pdf
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The public will see potentially incriminating evidence about the GOP candidate for President shortly before the election (Original Post) kpete Sep 6 OP
MSM underpants Sep 6 #1
Yup. SheltieLover Sep 6 #2
I'm curious ScratchCat Sep 6 #9
MSM: "Meanwhile...." durablend Sep 6 #11
At least Tim knows how to order Donuts! Brainfodder Sep 6 #45
No doubt msfiddlestix Sep 7 #54
This is my new favorite series of OPs! Scrivener7 Sep 6 #3
Jack Smith does KNOW what he is doing after all!!! ProudMNDemocrat Sep 6 #4
LOL. Iggo Sep 6 #13
I hope he knows what he's doing. I've given up waiting for Fitzmas, don't want to be sad about Smith-o-ween. mucholderthandirt Sep 7 #56
Trump deserves a "Comey moment", not to mention Willie Horton. usonian Sep 6 #5
Rest assured Kamala Harris KNOWS of this and will use it against tRump when the moment is right. ProudMNDemocrat Sep 6 #8
She's a prosecutor. Iggo Sep 6 #16
The sign doesn't look like it's in FL, though, since there's no land that high here. ancianita Sep 6 #32
When editing I saw a SF Chronicle sign in the background, and famous towers. usonian Sep 6 #39
Why would attacking his wife matter? RandomNumbers Sep 7 #51
The He-Man Woman Haters club is not going to be swayed by anything. NT usonian Sep 7 #53
But not the full public DeeDeeNY Sep 6 #6
I'm glad we'll finally see this evidence... Trueblue Texan Sep 6 #7
True, but the rest of us will have our suspicions about Trump confirmed. calimary Sep 6 #10
It could peel away some of his support on the margins subterranean Sep 6 #12
Anyone undecided in a race involving Trump deserves every ounce of disrespect that's hurled at them. Iggo Sep 6 #17
I don't disagree with your statement whopis01 Sep 6 #29
Yep, thanks primarily to the media Cosmocat Sep 6 #20
There is no excuse, despite media failures hawkeye21 Sep 7 #55
Some voters are undecided about voting MyMission Sep 6 #23
Exactly whopis01 Sep 6 #30
If they were that sold on bear guy & are moonscape Sep 6 #31
Admire your effort Evolve Dammit Sep 6 #46
If they were voting BlueMTexpat Sep 7 #50
It's still important to spread what we know far and wide, especially online. One never knows how many votes ancianita Sep 6 #33
Looking forward to this. BlueWavePsych Sep 6 #14
Pretty much everything in his life is incriminating PatSeg Sep 6 #15
What matters is that all the facts are in the federal legal records. ancianita Sep 6 #34
Oh yes, absolutely PatSeg Sep 6 #48
Good to hear. And for me, here's the thing ancianita Sep 6 #49
I do feel like the end of this nightmare is near PatSeg Sep 7 #52
Garland should appoint special counsel to investigate Clearance Thomas Duncanpup Sep 6 #18
It's not legal. The DOJ is in one branch, justices are in another. No DOJ has jurisdiction over any part of SCOTUS. ancianita Sep 6 #35
Ok Duncanpup Sep 6 #36
He is. But here's who's been telling us all along what entity (working around a corrupt congressional party) CAN ancianita Sep 6 #37
Wow, I guess Sheldon Whitehouse should refer to Wikipedia asm128 Sep 6 #38
Whitehouse has clearly SAID that the only laws under which justices can be accountable outside a ancianita Sep 6 #40
And Alito Evolve Dammit Sep 6 #47
Like we haven't already seen plenty of incriminating evidence? onandup Sep 6 #19
If that evidence is classify, I guess the President can declassify it. 8) Justice matters. Sep 6 #21
Sure would be a bitch if presidential immunity got evidence released that incriminated SC justices. rubbersole Sep 6 #22
... sheshe2 Sep 6 #28
Idiot trump thought Figarosmom Sep 6 #24
And almost half of the population will just shrug it off. Sky Jewels Sep 6 #25
So what? ShazzieB Sep 6 #26
I know. I'm just frustrated Sky Jewels Sep 6 #27
I think that it is about one third of the electorate markodochartaigh Sep 6 #41
I'm in Europe right now. PennRalphie Sep 6 #42
Never mind Figarosmom Sep 6 #43
So the stuff up to NOW is what, chopped documents? Brainfodder Sep 6 #44

ScratchCat

(2,399 posts)
9. I'm curious
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 09:36 AM
Sep 6

What type of "secret grand jury evidence" which appears to also be classified would there be pertaining to the J6 case? Some people have theorized it may be the "erased" SS texts. I'm not sure that would be classified information in and of itself, but it might be the "how" they got that info(NSA) that is part of "sources and methods" that has to be protected. Other than that, I am at a loss at what there could be pertaining to this case which is also sensitive at a classified level.

durablend

(7,884 posts)
11. MSM: "Meanwhile...."
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 10:01 AM
Sep 6

"Walz drinks shakes through a straw for gods sake. I think we know what the bigger crime is here"

ProudMNDemocrat

(18,909 posts)
4. Jack Smith does KNOW what he is doing after all!!!
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 09:17 AM
Sep 6

Especially allowing John Lauro to spill the beans that Clarence Thomas is involved as well.

Jack Smith may not have said much about this case. That only shows he is as SLY AS A FOX when it comes to his strategies. Leave enough rope for the other guy to hang himself with.

ProudMNDemocrat

(18,909 posts)
8. Rest assured Kamala Harris KNOWS of this and will use it against tRump when the moment is right.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 09:36 AM
Sep 6

She is experienced enough to be able to reverse the psychology.

tRump attempt to pull a Willie Horton on her, she will nail his ass with the pardon he gave to a killer of a policeman who was convicted of strangling his wife. The look on his face will be one of horror!

ancianita

(38,102 posts)
32. The sign doesn't look like it's in FL, though, since there's no land that high here.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:09 PM
Sep 6

Too bad, because FL voters need to see this more than any other state. Just sayin'.

Thanks!

usonian

(13,470 posts)
39. When editing I saw a SF Chronicle sign in the background, and famous towers.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:06 PM
Sep 6

Known by all who have been to San Francisco.

Oddly enough, billboards to edit that are nearly "square" are infrequent on my visits to the Internet image gallery.

That limits choices.

Nice idea, though.

Trump's Comey and Willie need more exposure.
TO SHARKS AND BATTERIES.

RandomNumbers

(18,111 posts)
51. Why would attacking his wife matter?
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 07:48 AM
Sep 7

I mean, she is only a woman, not like an actual citizen or anything. She is his property and he can do anything he wants to her, right?

Hopefully not needed, but just in case -

DeeDeeNY

(3,456 posts)
6. But not the full public
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 09:36 AM
Sep 6

If Fox News or NewsMax don't fully report on the subject, millions of Republicans won't know about it. Just like millions of Magas never saw the J6 hearings.

Trueblue Texan

(2,886 posts)
7. I'm glad we'll finally see this evidence...
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 09:36 AM
Sep 6

...but I think it's relevance before the election is negligible. The ones who still support TFG, won't be swayed by any evidence, no matter how revealing of TFG's evil lawlessness.

subterranean

(3,532 posts)
12. It could peel away some of his support on the margins
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 10:09 AM
Sep 6

and push some of the few remaining "undecideds" into the Harris/Walz column. That might make all the difference.

Iggo

(48,203 posts)
17. Anyone undecided in a race involving Trump deserves every ounce of disrespect that's hurled at them.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 10:15 AM
Sep 6

Because they’re stupid.

whopis01

(3,710 posts)
29. I don't disagree with your statement
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:02 PM
Sep 6

But I think at this point in the game it is more about deciding whether or not to actually bother voting.

I find it almost impossible to believe that anyone who is a consistent voter is undecided. Or that anything is going to change peoples’ minds from supporting Trump to not supporting him or vice versa.

But what may have an effect is the enthusiasm level of people who are less consistent voters. Whichever party can drive the enthusiasm more will have a huge advantage. And right now Harris is doing great at that.

Cosmocat

(14,913 posts)
20. Yep, thanks primarily to the media
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 10:29 AM
Sep 6

both siding at best and ever increasingly tipping the scale down for Ds and up for Rs.

hawkeye21

(198 posts)
55. There is no excuse, despite media failures
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 11:10 AM
Sep 7

Anyone who can't see what Donald Trump is, and always has been, has no excuse. They can't blame anyone for supporting a known felon, racist, malignant narcissist, egomaniac, sex offender, adulterer, religious hypocrite, misogynist, pathological liar, sociopath . . .

The man who ran six of his companies into bankruptcy . . . including three casinos. The house always wins. Except when the house is owned by Donald Trump. Then the house goes bankrupt. And people say this brilliant business mind who already failed at handling the economy should get another shot at it.

The man who claims himself to be smarter than the generals, more brilliant than the scientists, better looking than anyone . . .

The guy who calls service members "suckers" and "losers" and who uses the Bible and Arlington National Cemetery as partisan campaign props.

No, there are no excuses for anyone who supports one of the most disgusting excuses for humanity ever to trod the earth.

MyMission

(1,996 posts)
23. Some voters are undecided about voting
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 11:18 AM
Sep 6

The undecided who are considering not voting, or writing in because they don't like either candidate or party... I know 2 such people who were voting for Kennedy.

This might spur those in that group to realize they cant sit out this election or waste their vote on a write in (Liz Chaney mentioned this). But I also think writing in is better than voting for tfg, for anyone who can't bring themselves to vote for Harris or a Democrat.

His diehard supporters won't be swayed, but over the years I've seen his support from conservatives (with a patriotic conscience?) erode. Groups like the Lincoln project formed to call out the maga movement. With each event or interview, tfg loses some support, from some who were going to vote for him because he's the gop candidate and they were going along.
Some conservative regularly says "that's the final straw. I can't vote for him!"
Some even go further and say they're voting for Harris. That's my hope.

I'm in NC and it will be close here. The 2 people I know who planned to vote for Kennedy and are now in a tizzy. Do they listen to him and support tfg, who they'd decided not to support? Do they write in or just not vote? In my efforts to persuade these crazy friends not to vote for tfg, I might encourage them to still vote for rfk if he's on the ballot here. Fewer votes for tfg means better chance for Harris in NC and many states. They know I support Harris and we generally avoid discussing politics. They usually jab first which gives me license to respond. The gold star mom telling vets not to vote for tfg got me a "just stop" response, which I wouldn't have sent it if they hadn't sent me some crazy conservative crap! I'd say I hit a nerve on that one.

whopis01

(3,710 posts)
30. Exactly
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:03 PM
Sep 6

I don’t believe there are significant numbers that haven’t decided if they are voting for Harris or for Trump. But there could be significant chunks who aren’t strongly committed to voting at all.

moonscape

(5,283 posts)
31. If they were that sold on bear guy & are
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:04 PM
Sep 6

in a tizzy now, my $ is on them going with the menace. Or maybe they’ll go with him anyway as you suggested, but. moving to Kamala would likely be too much of a lift.

Anyone who believes bear guy’s crazy is more menace than we’re-not-going-back.

BlueMTexpat

(15,484 posts)
50. If they were voting
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 02:52 AM
Sep 7

for RFK Jr, that doesn't say much for them already.

The complete stupidity of some in the US apparently runs too deep to be curable.

ancianita

(38,102 posts)
33. It's still important to spread what we know far and wide, especially online. One never knows how many votes
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:11 PM
Sep 6

could be changed when that's done, so better to get those facts out there than not.

PatSeg

(49,607 posts)
15. Pretty much everything in his life is incriminating
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 10:12 AM
Sep 6

Will this potential "incriminating evidence" be any worse than all we've seen for years? Barely a week goes by that we don't hear another horror story about the man.

ancianita

(38,102 posts)
34. What matters is that all the facts are in the federal legal records.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:14 PM
Sep 6

No matter how we view his broad criminality. We never know what new facts will finally tip people away from him.

PatSeg

(49,607 posts)
48. Oh yes, absolutely
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 09:10 PM
Sep 6

I'm for getting it all out there, though I'm not expecting any major surprises. Actually, when it comes to Trump, nothing he does or has done would surprise me.

ancianita

(38,102 posts)
49. Good to hear. And for me, here's the thing
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 10:48 PM
Sep 6

Last edited Sat Sep 7, 2024, 09:36 AM - Edit history (1)

going into the stretch.

I've had to discipline myself from venting, and stay focused on the seriousness of this criminal. I've had to mentally fight against media-normalizing of this criminal, which for me, means to fight against losing faith in those who do the hard investigating 24/7, keep watch and keep record straight. Into the stretch, I want to hold on to appreciating the thousands of agents of justice behind the scenes, the unseen hardworking law enforcers, even as newsfeed hype distracts us with the fake power humblehype this criminal spews in the months ahead while he runs toward the dark dead end wall he's only now starting to see.

We've all suffered this man for so many years, that going into the home stretch people just want to have this all be over with, feeling like dawn takes forever to break. When its darkest and the sky gets lighter we feel it will never come soon enough. But that's when we all need to feel the DNC hope, link arms and keep walking.

Thank heaven Biden keeps reminding us that there's absolutely nothing we can't do when we do it together. Fighting and winning on Nov 5 is what we have to do together. So this banal, boring criminal never darkens our days again.

Thanks for reading, Pat...it's past my bedtime, so ...

PatSeg

(49,607 posts)
52. I do feel like the end of this nightmare is near
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 08:27 AM
Sep 7

Though I remind myself that it wasn't really about Trump the individual. The world is full of such jerks, but when one of them rises to such heights, it is time to reevaluate our society and why people are often drawn to such absurd, immoral leaders.

I understand history runs in cycles and we need to focus on preventing people like Trump from getting political power. Of course, I think the first and most important step is holding them accountable, which is why all these legal proceedings against him are absolutely vital.

I do believe the nightmare is almost over, but hopefully people will remain aware that it most certainly can happen again.

Thanks for the conversation!

Duncanpup

(13,646 posts)
18. Garland should appoint special counsel to investigate Clearance Thomas
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 10:16 AM
Sep 6

It won’t happen as Garland does not want to seem political which is ridiculous
Here is to 2025 and an Attorney General with a backbone who prosecutes law breaking Supreme Court judges and traitor supporting trump cultist.

ancianita

(38,102 posts)
35. It's not legal. The DOJ is in one branch, justices are in another. No DOJ has jurisdiction over any part of SCOTUS.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:25 PM
Sep 6

Since before 1948, only judges of the Judicial Conference have jurisdiction & power to act. And Congress. But not this one. The next one when/if we win the trifecta in 2024. Then they can begin impeachment investigations and proceedings, impeach, then the Senate can remove him. THEN Congress can begin Judiciary Committee work to write a bill that will expand SCOTUS to 13.

Congress also declined to make the attorney general a member of the conference, although the act permitted the chief justice to request the attorney general to report on the business of the courts. Even without a formal relationship with Congress or the Department of Justice (which then administered the federal courts), the conference offered the judiciary a means of communicating its administrative needs.

The conference was renamed the Judicial Conference of the United States in 1948.[2]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Conference_of_the_United_States

Don't bash the best AG in decades before you a) actually ASK GOOGLE whether or not he can, b) look up the history of the three branches, and c) get more facts. At least have some basis for your attacks on the man who's been wise and experienced enough to choose Jack Smith.

ancianita

(38,102 posts)
37. He is. But here's who's been telling us all along what entity (working around a corrupt congressional party) CAN
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:31 PM
Sep 6

do something.

Watch Whitehouse from the 9:25 point onward, when he mentions the Judicial Conference.

asm128

(207 posts)
38. Wow, I guess Sheldon Whitehouse should refer to Wikipedia
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:49 PM
Sep 6

Because obviously he knows nothing:

"The US attorney general should appoint a special counsel to investigate potential criminal violations of federal ethics and tax laws by the supreme court justice Clarence Thomas, two Democratic senators have said."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/10/clarence-thomas-investigation-democrats-justice-department

But what do they know... They are only lawyers, one of which is on the Senate Judiciary Committee



ancianita

(38,102 posts)
40. Whitehouse has clearly SAID that the only laws under which justices can be accountable outside a
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:23 PM
Sep 6

Congress or the Judicial Conference are TAX LAWS. Whitehouse has said that without reference to Wikipedia. He's a lawyer.

Sarcasm duly noted. Though you could have read my previous posts about justices' tax accountability.

 

onandup

(701 posts)
19. Like we haven't already seen plenty of incriminating evidence?
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 10:20 AM
Sep 6

If what's out there is not enough for someone, I don't know what is.

Justice matters.

(7,435 posts)
21. If that evidence is classify, I guess the President can declassify it. 8)
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 11:12 AM
Sep 6

Probably just in time (with proper redaction)?

Figarosmom

(2,188 posts)
24. Idiot trump thought
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 11:20 AM
Sep 6

All the delays wg I uld help him. In my mind I could see at least one of his cases pushed till it became the October surprise. Surprise a__hole.

ShazzieB

(18,444 posts)
26. So what?
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 11:44 AM
Sep 6

Who cares? There are people who ARE persuadable and this will make them think.

Making evidence against TSF public is NOT a waste of time just because 100% of the population isn't persuaded by it.

Sky Jewels

(8,747 posts)
27. I know. I'm just frustrated
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 11:55 AM
Sep 6

that 34 Trump felony convictions didn't seem to dent his support. His cult is just fine and dandy with any crime he might commit. He was correct about the 5th Ave. shooting thing.

markodochartaigh

(1,909 posts)
41. I think that it is about one third of the electorate
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:38 PM
Sep 6

which "will shrug it off". About one third can't be bothered to vote. They usually shrug everything off. And that is the third where we can hope to make some headway.
Also the "shoot someone on 5th Ave and wouldn't lose votes" is widely misunderstood in my opinion. If Trump actually executed someone like that it would energize his supporters. In fact, Trump did that. He executed more federal death row prisoners than any president in a century. Even leading up to his coup attempt.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-executions-biden-death-penalty-brandon-bernard-c1b26807c5c40b337d14485c3d6df2de

PennRalphie

(260 posts)
42. I'm in Europe right now.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 04:18 PM
Sep 6

On a 3 week trip. I know many DU’ers live here. I really thought the sentiment would be a million times for Kamala.

I have to say we MUST work very hard to make sure she’s elected. I still think she has PA, but I’m going to be honest. We have a fight on our hands.

Keep your eyes on the prize. Winning. Don’t let distractions get in the way. She still must really nail down her fracking stance. I’m confident she can do that in the debate. She’s in Pittsburgh prepping for the debate. I want to see an actual debate knockout.

I’m just surprised that even in the liberal cities (like Amsterdam), there’s not more enthusiasm for Kamala. We must, must,must keep working to make sure she’s elected.

On a side note, my wife, who hates insects of any kind, is always perplexed at the lack of window screens here.

I’m keeping up with Kamala through DU. thanks for all of your posts.

Brainfodder

(7,172 posts)
44. So the stuff up to NOW is what, chopped documents?
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 04:51 PM
Sep 6

Totally INNOCENT men don't need all these SUS AF breaks, do they?


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