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angrychair

(9,632 posts)
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:47 PM Sep 6

I'm broken

I just can't anymore. Taking a break.
Justice system is never going to hold TSF is accountable. Ever. I mean even the talking heads on MSNBC are saying they should dismiss all the charges.
The news media is making a full court press to protect TSF no matter what he says or does.
I truly believe that VP Harris could be winning by 10 points and the news media would still say TSF is winning the election.
CNN and Politico calling his recent economics forum appearance were great policies is breaking my brain.
Nate Silver saying TSF will win the election is breaking my brain.

I can't make sense of it at all.

I'll likely lurk a little but I may be done with all of it. I may just need to stop watching news, social media or participating in politics at all. I have a lot of thinking to do.
That this country would elect him president again is just more that I can process.

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I'm broken (Original Post) angrychair Sep 6 OP
There's a small chance that Judge Merchan Stargleamer Sep 6 #1
Pls consider this SheltieLover Sep 6 #2
Thank you for this! BamaRefugee Sep 6 #29
YW! SheltieLover Sep 6 #34
Taking a break is understandable servermsh Sep 6 #3
Don't give up yet. Remember MLK Jr's phrase: "Let us realize the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends... brush Sep 6 #4
that MLK statement has always struck me as very false NoRethugFriends Sep 6 #9
Agree. We have to fight for every degree in our favor. It doesn't just naturally bend our way. CrispyQ Sep 6 #11
John Gotti died after doing long time in prison. Justice caught up with his ass. brush Sep 6 #15
You are picking out one guy? former9thward Sep 6 #32
Again, it's not complicated. You don't know what else happened in the lives of those killers. brush Sep 6 #35
I don't believe in karma. former9thward Sep 6 #43
If you go around and kill people. Just will come to you in some way. brush Sep 6 #46
And if you do nothing but good all your life unfortunate things can still happen. Autumn Sep 7 #74
You have to know that if you do good in life your chances are way better of succeeding than if you do evil. Come on. brush Sep 7 #84
Succeeding has nothing to do with Karma or justice. Autumn Sep 7 #86
What does that even mean? brush Sep 7 #87
Do you really need this? Autumn Sep 8 #89
I'm not interested in installing that on my computer. brush Sep 8 #90
Don't have to install the dictionary, just scroll down to the bottom. Autumn Sep 8 #92
Not interested as it's so far from the meaning of the MLK Jr. quote. brush Sep 8 #93
Their victims have already had an "unfortunate happening" befall them Mariana Sep 7 #79
I can understand doubting Karma Blue_Roses Sep 7 #85
Twelve US presidents owned slaves. They had complete control over other human beings. Autumn Sep 8 #94
He didn't mean it's going bend because of wishes Keepthesoulalive Sep 6 #12
Tell that to all the J6 insurrectionist who thought they had gotten away with... brush Sep 6 #14
Don't understand Keepthesoulalive Sep 6 #17
It's not complicated. Justice catches up with criminals..."bends toward justice." brush Sep 6 #21
They are not aware of the background or backstory Keepthesoulalive Sep 6 #28
Yes. As I said, it's not that complicated. Justice will be done, even if it's a long time coming. brush Sep 6 #33
'justice' is not a thing. it is a concept within human culture. Voltaire2 Sep 7 #71
Of course it's a concept and not a 'thing' whathehell Sep 7 #77
Why do you call it false? If you look at glaring injutices in histroy, it pans outl brush Sep 6 #13
so because Hitler finally had to kill himself, NoRethugFriends Sep 6 #16
What a gross misunderstanding of the phrase. Hitler didn't get away with it. brush Sep 6 #18
and only 11 million people needed to die for it to happen NoRethugFriends Sep 6 #23
Let me simplify it for you since you obviously haven't grasped the simple meaning ot it. brush Sep 6 #27
Clearly it doesn't Cirsium Sep 6 #36
You've never heard the phrase, "what comes around, goes around?" brush Sep 6 #40
Is also nonsense. Voltaire2 Sep 7 #73
condescending much? NoRethugFriends Sep 6 #63
It is what it is. brush Sep 6 #64
what it is is condescending NoRethugFriends Sep 6 #65
Okay. brush Sep 6 #67
Do you actually think that nobody gets away with crimes? Voltaire2 Sep 7 #72
And where did I say that? Consider trump, he's been committing crime for decades... brush Sep 7 #88
and the right wing is rising in Germany again NoRethugFriends Sep 6 #25
And Hitler is still dead. brush Sep 6 #26
Every criminal dies Cirsium Sep 6 #37
He killed himself. God, what's hard to understand about it? brush Sep 6 #38
OK Cirsium Sep 6 #39
Hitler killed himself because he knew what was coming for him. brush Sep 6 #41
Sure Cirsium Sep 6 #56
This is true about the Nazis Marigold Sep 7 #78
See post 85. The high-flown language is poetic and beautiful, but it's not that complicated. brush Sep 7 #83
So are his millions of victims. Mariana Sep 7 #80
And? brush Sep 7 #82
Were Stalin and Mao held accountable? former9thward Sep 6 #48
You again. What are you pushing, doing evil and getting away with it? brush Sep 6 #51
What are you pushing? former9thward Sep 6 #53
Just go on your contrarian way. I've gotten your typical responses before. brush Sep 6 #54
well that is just nonsense, despite King having said it. Voltaire2 Sep 7 #70
Taking care of ourselves first should ALWAYS be our main priority... Think. Again. Sep 6 #5
Well said Evolve Dammit Sep 6 #47
Turn it all off and just get what you seek here at DU. NewHendoLib Sep 6 #6
That's great Cirsium Sep 7 #81
The news media wants us to give up Keepthesoulalive Sep 6 #7
You do you. I'm excited and energized Ocelot II Sep 6 #8
Agree. betsuni Sep 6 #24
All it takes is to see Harris and Walz smiling or laughing. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 6 #58
I have a giant block list on DU. My other news aggregator is Hacker News. usonian Sep 6 #10
Dude, you need to step away for 30 days Prairie Gates Sep 6 #19
At least until after the election....... a kennedy Sep 6 #22
All the justice money can buy HAB911 Sep 6 #20
It has always been this way Keepthesoulalive Sep 6 #31
Post removed Post removed Sep 6 #30
I hear you. LoisB Sep 6 #42
I hear ya and magatland would revel in it, so I refuse. Evolve Dammit Sep 6 #44
I understand. It's Worse than the Nixon/Watergate era. But I wouldn't bet against Karma surfered Sep 6 #45
I want so badly to turn my back on it all. birdographer Sep 6 #49
Cool. Stay focused on the reality of the situation that will calm you down. Not the hype. We've got this. ancianita Sep 6 #50
Some time away can be helpful on dealing with life. irisblue Sep 6 #52
Dictator Don wins again. StarryNite Sep 6 #55
Nope. Just a round. Not the whole fight. ancianita Sep 6 #57
I'll believe it if and when justice is meted out to the orange POS. StarryNite Sep 6 #68
The national jury will mete that justice to TSF on Nov 5. ancianita Sep 6 #69
If you do nothing else just vote for Harris/Walz - TBF Sep 6 #59
It can be disheartening and infuriating ... but taking a break is healthy IcyPeas Sep 6 #60
Hold on it is just a matter of a little more time before the Sword of Damocles starts to rip him apart ... Botany Sep 6 #61
You can't go. I hear you, but don't go. Take a break and come back. Scrivener7 Sep 6 #62
Why the hell are you still paying attention to those dinosaurs in legacy media? MistakenLamb Sep 6 #66
You do what you need to do for your health. Seriously. Big cyber hug incoming, brace yourself! mucholderthandirt Sep 7 #75
I'm sorry you feel broken angrychair... Clouds Passing Sep 7 #76
After he loses in landslide in 8 weeks, if he doesn't flee disappear or croak before then the slam dunks with jail time! Brainfodder Sep 8 #91

Stargleamer

(2,152 posts)
1. There's a small chance that Judge Merchan
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:51 PM
Sep 6

will impose a significant punishment on the POS. There’s even a chance that the upcoming debate will improve Harris’s numbers enough to insure victory. So all mightn’t be lost

On edit: I just saw that Merchan fucked things up.

servermsh

(1,381 posts)
3. Taking a break is understandable
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:56 PM
Sep 6

Some comments, though.

What Silver is doing at the moment is not credible. Ignore him.

Trump was only going to fundraise and martyr himself over any sentence, so I don't mind for this paticular court case. IMHO, it was important he was found guilty and everyone knows it.

The press has sucked for decades and always wants everyone to believe races are close.

If you really feel the need to look at polls, just look at the summaries from Markos on Daily Kos that he does periodically.

brush

(57,086 posts)
4. Don't give up yet. Remember MLK Jr's phrase: "Let us realize the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends...
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:03 PM
Sep 6

towards justice."

No way is this criminal is going to get away with all the crime he's done over the decades. In fact, he's been going through hell these last few years with all indictments, court appearances and immense stress of the unending process, with much more still to come.

He's not getting away with all this crap. There are consequences for crimes. It doesn't get swept under the rug forever.

CrispyQ

(38,025 posts)
11. Agree. We have to fight for every degree in our favor. It doesn't just naturally bend our way.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:31 PM
Sep 6

Same with "When they go low, we go high." Problem is, they have no bottom. I like Scrivener's saying better. "When they go low, we kick 'em in the face."

brush

(57,086 posts)
15. John Gotti died after doing long time in prison. Justice caught up with his ass.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:52 PM
Sep 6

Ya don't do crime for forever without it catching up with you. Fat ass trump is in the long process of fuck around and finding out.

former9thward

(33,409 posts)
32. You are picking out one guy?
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:24 PM
Sep 6

In the city I live in, Chicago, a majority of murders are never solved. Never. They do get away with it.

brush

(57,086 posts)
35. Again, it's not complicated. You don't know what else happened in the lives of those killers.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:29 PM
Sep 6

If some think their lives have gone smoothy with nothing bad happening to them, I have to say, naivete abounds.

It's the old phrase, "what come around, goes around."

It's not complicated.

former9thward

(33,409 posts)
43. I don't believe in karma.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 03:17 PM
Sep 6

It is a concept promoted to make people feel better about bad things in their lives.

brush

(57,086 posts)
46. If you go around and kill people. Just will come to you in some way.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 03:23 PM
Sep 6

It may not even be for the killing, some other unfortunate happening, maybe entirely unrelated, will befall you.

Autumn

(45,978 posts)
74. And if you do nothing but good all your life unfortunate things can still happen.
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 12:43 PM
Sep 7

Happy children go to school to lean and are slaughtered and no one stops it. Where is their justice?

brush

(57,086 posts)
84. You have to know that if you do good in life your chances are way better of succeeding than if you do evil. Come on.
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 08:26 PM
Sep 7

Autumn

(45,978 posts)
89. Do you really need this?
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 07:45 AM
Sep 8
https://www.dictionary.com/

To understand what this one sentence means?

Succeeding has nothing to do with Karma or justice.


Karma is the debt we incur from wrong action in our current life that will determine the state of our NEXT lifetime (incarnation). A light or nonexistent Karmic debt is believed to ensure a better life in the next go-round.

Mariana

(14,961 posts)
79. Their victims have already had an "unfortunate happening" befall them
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 05:21 PM
Sep 7

when they were murdered. Was that karma too? Do you believe they did something to deserve that?

Blue_Roses

(13,251 posts)
85. I can understand doubting Karma
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 08:30 PM
Sep 7

because we don't always see it do justice, but I have no doubt it's there. I've seen it happen too many times to not believe it. You cannot chase Karma, because it works on its own timetable and it's usually when it will make the strongest impact.

Autumn

(45,978 posts)
94. Twelve US presidents owned slaves. They had complete control over other human beings.
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 08:16 AM
Sep 8

They could sell them, they could tear apart families, they could sire children upon the women. They could do whatever they wanted to them.

Those presidents had damn good lives. One could say they succeeded very well in life. We know history. Do you think the slaves got their justice? I don't.

Keepthesoulalive

(471 posts)
12. He didn't mean it's going bend because of wishes
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:40 PM
Sep 6

He meant you are going to have to work and possibly suffer for it like the Ukrainians and the people who faced Bull Conner. He put his body on the line with the marchers and he paid the ultimate price and it did bend but we have to keep fighting.

brush

(57,086 posts)
14. Tell that to all the J6 insurrectionist who thought they had gotten away with...
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:48 PM
Sep 6

what they did years ago when the FBI takes them into custody cause internet sleuths tracked them down and turned over their indentity to the FBI.

brush

(57,086 posts)
21. It's not complicated. Justice catches up with criminals..."bends toward justice."
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:04 PM
Sep 6

That MLK Jr. phrase is self-explanatory to me. Some seem to misinterpret it for some reason.

Crime catches up with you.

Keepthesoulalive

(471 posts)
28. They are not aware of the background or backstory
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:17 PM
Sep 6

They make the assumption that he was saying some mythical being was going to come down and fix the injustices. Black people know you have to fight and endure hardship if you want justice. Judges are dealing with death threats and the hackers that are going after these thugs are showing bravery. I am not disagreeing with you. I disagree with people saying MLK was wrong because of a perceived setback .

brush

(57,086 posts)
33. Yes. As I said, it's not that complicated. Justice will be done, even if it's a long time coming.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:25 PM
Sep 6

History proves that over and over and over.

Voltaire2

(14,631 posts)
71. 'justice' is not a thing. it is a concept within human culture.
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 12:39 PM
Sep 7

Justice cannot catch up to you, some humans working for some law enforcement agency caught up to you.

whathehell

(29,639 posts)
77. Of course it's a concept and not a 'thing'
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 04:20 PM
Sep 7

but the 'humans working for some law enforcement agency' that catch up to you represent justice.

brush

(57,086 posts)
13. Why do you call it false? If you look at glaring injutices in histroy, it pans outl
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:45 PM
Sep 6

No one gets away forever from suffering consequences for crime. Justice usually catches up with them. Look at all the J6 insurrectionist who are continually being arrested because internet sleuths caught up with them and tuned them in to the FBI. Look at trump, that fat fuck, if he had just kept living his life and doing his crap of leasing his name to properties, he'd been still living in trump tower, now faced with all the consequences of his crime, but no, the fact fuck wanted to go into politics.

Now he's reaping what he sowed, and no one can say these last few years have been pleasant for his convicted ass.

NoRethugFriends

(2,903 posts)
16. so because Hitler finally had to kill himself,
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:57 PM
Sep 6

11 million people being offed was not relevant to the arc of History bending right

brush

(57,086 posts)
18. What a gross misunderstanding of the phrase. Hitler didn't get away with it.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:00 PM
Sep 6

What' hard to understand about that? We're not speaking and writing in German.

Justice catches up with even the worst of humanity.

NoRethugFriends

(2,903 posts)
23. and only 11 million people needed to die for it to happen
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:10 PM
Sep 6

I understand what MLK was trying to say, and he was of course mostly a good guy, but I think the thought is a crock.

brush

(57,086 posts)
27. Let me simplify it for you since you obviously haven't grasped the simple meaning ot it.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:17 PM
Sep 6

Justice catches up with criminals. It's not complicted at all.

Cirsium

(621 posts)
36. Clearly it doesn't
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:38 PM
Sep 6

Clearly justice does not necessarily catch up with criminals. What do you mean by "justice" and how do you imagine it "catching up" with criminals?

brush

(57,086 posts)
40. You've never heard the phrase, "what comes around, goes around?"
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:50 PM
Sep 6

The high, poetic language was meant to inspire but that's all it really means.

brush

(57,086 posts)
88. And where did I say that? Consider trump, he's been committing crime for decades...
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 09:38 PM
Sep 7

but tell, me now, how many felonies has he been convicted of finally, with more to come with the J6 case?

Cirsium

(621 posts)
37. Every criminal dies
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:39 PM
Sep 6

Every criminal eventually dies. Is that what you mean by justice catching up with them?

Cirsium

(621 posts)
39. OK
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:49 PM
Sep 6

So killing himself is an example of justice catching up to a criminal?

How about the Nazis, Nazi collaborators, and war criminals who didn't commit suicide and who escaped punishment? Quite a few of them were fast tracked into the US based on their anti-communist bona fides. They seem to have prospered.

brush

(57,086 posts)
41. Hitler killed himself because he knew what was coming for him.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:53 PM
Sep 6

He knew he had committed horrendous crimes and woulld be held accountable.

He was the thug who ordered it.

Cirsium

(621 posts)
56. Sure
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 03:35 PM
Sep 6

That may be true. Hard to say what his motivation was or killing himself. It was not necessarily to avoid being held accountable.

How about the Nazis, Nazi collaborators, and war criminals who didn't commit suicide and who escaped punishment? Quite a few of them were fast tracked into the US based on their anti-communist bona fides. They seem to have prospered.

Certainly sometimes bad people get what's coming to them, so to speak. But that doesn't make for a general rule.

Marigold

(124 posts)
78. This is true about the Nazis
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 04:33 PM
Sep 7

I just watched a documentary today that said 99 percent of the Nazi perpetrators were never brought to justice. After the initial trials, the world got tired of prosecuting and too much time had passed. And with the rise of McCarthyism in the US, we were more concerned with communists. Some of the most vile Nazi's lived out full lives in the US and countries in South America with no repercussions.

brush

(57,086 posts)
82. And?
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 08:16 PM
Sep 7

The fact remains that MLK Jr's message remains the same:"... the arc of the moral universe bends towards justice." The justice being that Hitler killed himself because he knew the allies were coming for him because of his crimes.

Voltaire2

(14,631 posts)
70. well that is just nonsense, despite King having said it.
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 12:37 PM
Sep 7

the universe has no capacity to have a moral arc. Any progress toward justice in human societies is because humans did that.

Think. Again.

(17,207 posts)
5. Taking care of ourselves first should ALWAYS be our main priority...
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:05 PM
Sep 6

...and please remember that the fact all of this bothers you so much says some really damn good things about you.

NewHendoLib

(60,436 posts)
6. Turn it all off and just get what you seek here at DU.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:05 PM
Sep 6

I turned it all off 15 years ago - never regretted it.

Cirsium

(621 posts)
81. That's great
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 07:20 PM
Sep 7

Do you mean to say that we can just turn fascism off and it will all go away? Where's the switch?

Keepthesoulalive

(471 posts)
7. The news media wants us to give up
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:14 PM
Sep 6

Harriet Tubman said to the slaves who were trying to become free by running from the slavers, when you hear the dogs behind you keep running. That’s what we have to do. Don’t let them discourage you . Turn them off because they want to enslave us. Take a health break and come back because we are going to keep running.

Ocelot II

(120,110 posts)
8. You do you. I'm excited and energized
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:17 PM
Sep 6

by the Harris-Walz campaign, and don’t care to waste energy on whether Trump will ever go to prison. He probably won’t, and I accepted that long ago. What is essential is that he be kept away from the presidency at all costs, and that’s where all my energy is being directed.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,462 posts)
58. All it takes is to see Harris and Walz smiling or laughing.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 03:39 PM
Sep 6

Competence, empathy, intelligence, and knowledge come with their dispositions.

usonian

(13,470 posts)
10. I have a giant block list on DU. My other news aggregator is Hacker News.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:28 PM
Sep 6

No TV. No other sites or "social" (what a misnomer)

I stay grounded, practice piano and take photos when Mother Nature taps my shoulder. I have a beautiful Buddhist practice based on equality and hope.

We will overcome the ding dongs.

Peace.

Response to angrychair (Original post)

birdographer

(2,505 posts)
49. I want so badly to turn my back on it all.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 03:24 PM
Sep 6

BUT! What if the day I refuse to watch news, visit a news site online, totally unplug, that is the day that TSF (a) is shot (dead, this time), (b) is pushed out a 6th floor window, (c) falls down a long flight of stairs, or (d) finally strokes out, I will miss out on being happier than I have been for 8 years. I will miss the frisson of giddy joy upon reading the news, I will waste hours being depressed and miserable when the source of that pain is gone (for me, cutting the head off the snake will kill it, even if eventually its cousins take its place). I just have to know every morning if THIS is the day it ends. However, upon ascertaining that no, this is the 2,922nd day that I have been disappointed, I skim the news very lightly and then move on to Wordle.

ancianita

(38,102 posts)
50. Cool. Stay focused on the reality of the situation that will calm you down. Not the hype. We've got this.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 03:24 PM
Sep 6

Nov 5 the national jury will reach a verdict that this SCOTUS cannot overturn.

Our past & president had the numbers, and our future president has the numbers, too. Too big to rig.




It's gonna be okay. You'll see.


ancianita

(38,102 posts)
57. Nope. Just a round. Not the whole fight.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 03:38 PM
Sep 6

You really have no idea how much this justice system gets done, so go do some numbers research.

You can start here, but those numbers are only half.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?page=0

ancianita

(38,102 posts)
69. The national jury will mete that justice to TSF on Nov 5.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:29 PM
Sep 6

At least two courts -- the DC and Manhattan courts -- will handle the rest whether he wins or loses, because justice will then be meted out to him before the inauguration when the Manhattan judge sentences him to prison.

TBF

(34,022 posts)
59. If you do nothing else just vote for Harris/Walz -
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 03:42 PM
Sep 6

and leave the rest behind if you need to. What will annoy me is if we can't get the votes we need because the other side beats people down. For men (white men anyway) things may be fairly status quo, but this election will be horrible for women. They were just getting started with overturning Roe. I remember a lot of folks saying "oh they'll never overturn it - they need their wedge issues". WRONG. They'll do whatever the f*** they want when they get in office. So, if nothing else, just vote. Peace.

Botany

(72,283 posts)
61. Hold on it is just a matter of a little more time before the Sword of Damocles starts to rip him apart ...
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 04:10 PM
Sep 6

Yes, it pisses me off too but Donny’s “Court Date Dance Party” day/date book is getting really
full from now and on out. Just the civil penalties are going to be crushing. E. Jean C is into him for
83 million, Tish James and NY State have a 500 million dollar nut on Trump, the Estate of Issac Hayes
is after Donny, D.A. Braggs will no doubt be after financial penalties, and those Capitol Hill Cops are
going to sue the shit out of him too. And the criminal charges are getting ready to rock and roll too.

Scrivener7

(52,391 posts)
62. You can't go. I hear you, but don't go. Take a break and come back.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 04:18 PM
Sep 6

So many here feel the same way you do, and there is comfort in knowing we are together in it.

Clouds Passing

(1,857 posts)
76. I'm sorry you feel broken angrychair...
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 04:11 PM
Sep 7

the constant stream of denial, abuse, gaslighting, criminal injustice, hate, bigotry, siding with evil…..

is becoming too much to bear. There are many people here who are sane, intelligent, well-grounded and caring.

Focus on caring for you.

I may need to take a break again as well.

Brainfodder

(7,172 posts)
91. After he loses in landslide in 8 weeks, if he doesn't flee disappear or croak before then the slam dunks with jail time!
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 07:49 AM
Sep 8

Ignoring it all from now to voting day, yeah I don't see any downside once the comedy debate is done in 2 days to seal this!

Cannabis is insisting on chilling, so that is one reason I use it.

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