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I just can't anymore. Taking a break.
Justice system is never going to hold TSF is accountable. Ever. I mean even the talking heads on MSNBC are saying they should dismiss all the charges.
The news media is making a full court press to protect TSF no matter what he says or does.
I truly believe that VP Harris could be winning by 10 points and the news media would still say TSF is winning the election.
CNN and Politico calling his recent economics forum appearance were great policies is breaking my brain.
Nate Silver saying TSF will win the election is breaking my brain.
I can't make sense of it at all.
I'll likely lurk a little but I may be done with all of it. I may just need to stop watching news, social media or participating in politics at all. I have a lot of thinking to do.
That this country would elect him president again is just more that I can process.
Stargleamer
(2,152 posts)will impose a significant punishment on the POS. Theres even a chance that the upcoming debate will improve Harriss numbers enough to insure victory. So all mightnt be lost
On edit: I just saw that Merchan fucked things up.
SheltieLover
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BamaRefugee
(3,695 posts)SheltieLover
(59,303 posts)servermsh
(1,381 posts)Some comments, though.
What Silver is doing at the moment is not credible. Ignore him.
Trump was only going to fundraise and martyr himself over any sentence, so I don't mind for this paticular court case. IMHO, it was important he was found guilty and everyone knows it.
The press has sucked for decades and always wants everyone to believe races are close.
If you really feel the need to look at polls, just look at the summaries from Markos on Daily Kos that he does periodically.
brush
(57,086 posts)towards justice."
No way is this criminal is going to get away with all the crime he's done over the decades. In fact, he's been going through hell these last few years with all indictments, court appearances and immense stress of the unending process, with much more still to come.
He's not getting away with all this crap. There are consequences for crimes. It doesn't get swept under the rug forever.
NoRethugFriends
(2,903 posts)CrispyQ
(38,025 posts)Same with "When they go low, we go high." Problem is, they have no bottom. I like Scrivener's saying better. "When they go low, we kick 'em in the face."
brush
(57,086 posts)Ya don't do crime for forever without it catching up with you. Fat ass trump is in the long process of fuck around and finding out.
former9thward
(33,409 posts)In the city I live in, Chicago, a majority of murders are never solved. Never. They do get away with it.
brush
(57,086 posts)If some think their lives have gone smoothy with nothing bad happening to them, I have to say, naivete abounds.
It's the old phrase, "what come around, goes around."
It's not complicated.
former9thward
(33,409 posts)It is a concept promoted to make people feel better about bad things in their lives.
brush
(57,086 posts)It may not even be for the killing, some other unfortunate happening, maybe entirely unrelated, will befall you.
Autumn
(45,978 posts)Happy children go to school to lean and are slaughtered and no one stops it. Where is their justice?
brush
(57,086 posts)Autumn
(45,978 posts)brush
(57,086 posts)Autumn
(45,978 posts)To understand what this one sentence means?
Karma is the debt we incur from wrong action in our current life that will determine the state of our NEXT lifetime (incarnation). A light or nonexistent Karmic debt is believed to ensure a better life in the next go-round.
brush
(57,086 posts)Autumn
(45,978 posts)brush
(57,086 posts)Mariana
(14,961 posts)when they were murdered. Was that karma too? Do you believe they did something to deserve that?
Blue_Roses
(13,251 posts)because we don't always see it do justice, but I have no doubt it's there. I've seen it happen too many times to not believe it. You cannot chase Karma, because it works on its own timetable and it's usually when it will make the strongest impact.
Autumn
(45,978 posts)They could sell them, they could tear apart families, they could sire children upon the women. They could do whatever they wanted to them.
Those presidents had damn good lives. One could say they succeeded very well in life. We know history. Do you think the slaves got their justice? I don't.
Keepthesoulalive
(471 posts)He meant you are going to have to work and possibly suffer for it like the Ukrainians and the people who faced Bull Conner. He put his body on the line with the marchers and he paid the ultimate price and it did bend but we have to keep fighting.
brush
(57,086 posts)what they did years ago when the FBI takes them into custody cause internet sleuths tracked them down and turned over their indentity to the FBI.
Keepthesoulalive
(471 posts)Please clarify
brush
(57,086 posts)That MLK Jr. phrase is self-explanatory to me. Some seem to misinterpret it for some reason.
Crime catches up with you.
Keepthesoulalive
(471 posts)They make the assumption that he was saying some mythical being was going to come down and fix the injustices. Black people know you have to fight and endure hardship if you want justice. Judges are dealing with death threats and the hackers that are going after these thugs are showing bravery. I am not disagreeing with you. I disagree with people saying MLK was wrong because of a perceived setback .
brush
(57,086 posts)History proves that over and over and over.
Voltaire2
(14,631 posts)Justice cannot catch up to you, some humans working for some law enforcement agency caught up to you.
whathehell
(29,639 posts)but the 'humans working for some law enforcement agency' that catch up to you represent justice.
brush
(57,086 posts)No one gets away forever from suffering consequences for crime. Justice usually catches up with them. Look at all the J6 insurrectionist who are continually being arrested because internet sleuths caught up with them and tuned them in to the FBI. Look at trump, that fat fuck, if he had just kept living his life and doing his crap of leasing his name to properties, he'd been still living in trump tower, now faced with all the consequences of his crime, but no, the fact fuck wanted to go into politics.
Now he's reaping what he sowed, and no one can say these last few years have been pleasant for his convicted ass.
NoRethugFriends
(2,903 posts)11 million people being offed was not relevant to the arc of History bending right
brush
(57,086 posts)What' hard to understand about that? We're not speaking and writing in German.
Justice catches up with even the worst of humanity.
NoRethugFriends
(2,903 posts)I understand what MLK was trying to say, and he was of course mostly a good guy, but I think the thought is a crock.
brush
(57,086 posts)Justice catches up with criminals. It's not complicted at all.
Cirsium
(621 posts)Clearly justice does not necessarily catch up with criminals. What do you mean by "justice" and how do you imagine it "catching up" with criminals?
brush
(57,086 posts)The high, poetic language was meant to inspire but that's all it really means.
Voltaire2
(14,631 posts)NoRethugFriends
(2,903 posts)brush
(57,086 posts)NoRethugFriends
(2,903 posts)Voltaire2
(14,631 posts)brush
(57,086 posts)but tell, me now, how many felonies has he been convicted of finally, with more to come with the J6 case?
NoRethugFriends
(2,903 posts)brush
(57,086 posts)Cirsium
(621 posts)Every criminal eventually dies. Is that what you mean by justice catching up with them?
brush
(57,086 posts)So killing himself is an example of justice catching up to a criminal?
How about the Nazis, Nazi collaborators, and war criminals who didn't commit suicide and who escaped punishment? Quite a few of them were fast tracked into the US based on their anti-communist bona fides. They seem to have prospered.
brush
(57,086 posts)He knew he had committed horrendous crimes and woulld be held accountable.
He was the thug who ordered it.
That may be true. Hard to say what his motivation was or killing himself. It was not necessarily to avoid being held accountable.
How about the Nazis, Nazi collaborators, and war criminals who didn't commit suicide and who escaped punishment? Quite a few of them were fast tracked into the US based on their anti-communist bona fides. They seem to have prospered.
Certainly sometimes bad people get what's coming to them, so to speak. But that doesn't make for a general rule.
Marigold
(124 posts)I just watched a documentary today that said 99 percent of the Nazi perpetrators were never brought to justice. After the initial trials, the world got tired of prosecuting and too much time had passed. And with the rise of McCarthyism in the US, we were more concerned with communists. Some of the most vile Nazi's lived out full lives in the US and countries in South America with no repercussions.
brush
(57,086 posts)Mariana
(14,961 posts)The fact remains that MLK Jr's message remains the same:"... the arc of the moral universe bends towards justice." The justice being that Hitler killed himself because he knew the allies were coming for him because of his crimes.
former9thward
(33,409 posts)brush
(57,086 posts)former9thward
(33,409 posts)brush
(57,086 posts)Voltaire2
(14,631 posts)the universe has no capacity to have a moral arc. Any progress toward justice in human societies is because humans did that.
Think. Again.
(17,207 posts)...and please remember that the fact all of this bothers you so much says some really damn good things about you.
Evolve Dammit
(18,378 posts)NewHendoLib
(60,436 posts)I turned it all off 15 years ago - never regretted it.
Cirsium
(621 posts)Do you mean to say that we can just turn fascism off and it will all go away? Where's the switch?
Keepthesoulalive
(471 posts)Harriet Tubman said to the slaves who were trying to become free by running from the slavers, when you hear the dogs behind you keep running. Thats what we have to do. Dont let them discourage you . Turn them off because they want to enslave us. Take a health break and come back because we are going to keep running.
Ocelot II
(120,110 posts)by the Harris-Walz campaign, and dont care to waste energy on whether Trump will ever go to prison. He probably wont, and I accepted that long ago. What is essential is that he be kept away from the presidency at all costs, and thats where all my energy is being directed.
I never think about whether Trump goes to prison or not.
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,462 posts)Competence, empathy, intelligence, and knowledge come with their dispositions.
usonian
(13,470 posts)No TV. No other sites or "social" (what a misnomer)
I stay grounded, practice piano and take photos when Mother Nature taps my shoulder. I have a beautiful Buddhist practice based on equality and hope.
We will overcome the ding dongs.
Peace.
Prairie Gates
(2,664 posts)This is unhealthy.
a kennedy
(31,858 posts)HAB911
(9,333 posts)Keepthesoulalive
(471 posts)He just pulled the cover off.
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LoisB
(8,485 posts)Evolve Dammit
(18,378 posts)surfered
(2,671 posts)birdographer
(2,505 posts)BUT! What if the day I refuse to watch news, visit a news site online, totally unplug, that is the day that TSF (a) is shot (dead, this time), (b) is pushed out a 6th floor window, (c) falls down a long flight of stairs, or (d) finally strokes out, I will miss out on being happier than I have been for 8 years. I will miss the frisson of giddy joy upon reading the news, I will waste hours being depressed and miserable when the source of that pain is gone (for me, cutting the head off the snake will kill it, even if eventually its cousins take its place). I just have to know every morning if THIS is the day it ends. However, upon ascertaining that no, this is the 2,922nd day that I have been disappointed, I skim the news very lightly and then move on to Wordle.
ancianita
(38,102 posts)Nov 5 the national jury will reach a verdict that this SCOTUS cannot overturn.
Our past & president had the numbers, and our future president has the numbers, too. Too big to rig.
It's gonna be okay. You'll see.
irisblue
(34,065 posts)Take care of yourself for all of us here on DU
StarryNite
(10,671 posts)Our justice system is badly broken.
ancianita
(38,102 posts)You really have no idea how much this justice system gets done, so go do some numbers research.
You can start here, but those numbers are only half.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?page=0
StarryNite
(10,671 posts)ancianita
(38,102 posts)At least two courts -- the DC and Manhattan courts -- will handle the rest whether he wins or loses, because justice will then be meted out to him before the inauguration when the Manhattan judge sentences him to prison.
TBF
(34,022 posts)and leave the rest behind if you need to. What will annoy me is if we can't get the votes we need because the other side beats people down. For men (white men anyway) things may be fairly status quo, but this election will be horrible for women. They were just getting started with overturning Roe. I remember a lot of folks saying "oh they'll never overturn it - they need their wedge issues". WRONG. They'll do whatever the f*** they want when they get in office. So, if nothing else, just vote. Peace.
IcyPeas
(22,515 posts)Botany
(72,283 posts)Yes, it pisses me off too but Donnys Court Date Dance Party day/date book is getting really
full from now and on out. Just the civil penalties are going to be crushing. E. Jean C is into him for
83 million, Tish James and NY State have a 500 million dollar nut on Trump, the Estate of Issac Hayes
is after Donny, D.A. Braggs will no doubt be after financial penalties, and those Capitol Hill Cops are
going to sue the shit out of him too. And the criminal charges are getting ready to rock and roll too.
Scrivener7
(52,391 posts)So many here feel the same way you do, and there is comfort in knowing we are together in it.
MistakenLamb
(783 posts)mucholderthandirt
(1,099 posts)Clouds Passing
(1,857 posts)the constant stream of denial, abuse, gaslighting, criminal injustice, hate, bigotry, siding with evil
..
is becoming too much to bear. There are many people here who are sane, intelligent, well-grounded and caring.
Focus on caring for you.
I may need to take a break again as well.
Brainfodder
(7,172 posts)Ignoring it all from now to voting day, yeah I don't see any downside once the comedy debate is done in 2 days to seal this!
Cannabis is insisting on chilling, so that is one reason I use it.