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JoeOtterbein

(7,783 posts)
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:11 PM Sep 6

Harris wanted an open debate mic to interrupt Trump. Now she's forced to adjust.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/06/kamala-harris-debate-prep-00177762

By Elena Schneider, Holly Otterbein and Eli Stokols

09/06/2024 02:34 PM EDT

Kamala Harris had planned to object, fact-check and directly question Donald Trump while he was speaking during their debate next week. But now, with rules just finalized to mute the candidates when their opponents speaks, campaign officials said Harris advisers are scrambling to rewrite their playbook.

Harris and her team — holed up in Pittsburgh for a multi-day debate camp — wanted unmuted microphones so that the vice president could lean on her prosecutorial background, confronting the former president in the same way she laced into some of Trump’s Supreme Court nominees and Cabinet members during Senate hearings.

Instead, four Harris campaign officials argued that she will be “handcuffed” by the rules, which were negotiated by President Joe Biden’s team earlier this summer.

“Trump’s worst moments in the debates are when he gets upset and snaps,” said an aide to Harris in her 2020 presidential campaign, granted anonymity to speak freely. “And they have neutered that.”

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More at link.

(Note: The article is co-written by my daughter)
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Harris wanted an open debate mic to interrupt Trump. Now she's forced to adjust. (Original Post) JoeOtterbein Sep 6 OP
I don't think it makes any sense to try to confront Trump directly, Ocelot II Sep 6 #1
She would not have done that obamanut2012 Sep 6 #23
trump was very bad in the debate with President Biden samsingh Sep 6 #2
I doubt Harris cares either way... Think. Again. Sep 6 #3
I agree she doesn't care, but she used it to successfully troll him. Bev54 Sep 6 #8
This Red Mountain Sep 6 #19
I get emails from Trump still attacking Joe Biden bucolic_frolic Sep 6 #4
I think the former prosecutor who said, "Excuse me, I'm speaking" can deal w The Stage Stalker Hekate Sep 6 #32
Then it's a lose lose for our side because Eliot Rosewater Sep 6 #5
I suspect she'll be OK Red Mountain Sep 6 #20
Ha! Nooo, Harris will handle him well either way. No loss for us. Think. Again. Sep 6 #27
meh. bigtree Sep 6 #6
WHY is it even called a "debate"? When the Orange Anal Wart is involved, it never meets ANY definition of the word. BamaRefugee Sep 6 #7
It's just going to be an exchange of speeches -which will be good ColinC Sep 6 #9
Gonna backfire BruceWane Sep 6 #10
BruceWane- I think you are absolutely right! Alliepoo Sep 6 #29
So she'll adjust. Jesus. nolabear Sep 6 #11
This! "She has to engage America" TheProle Sep 6 #13
Politico cracks me up. So dramatic and always slanted against Dems. SouthernCal_Dem Sep 6 #12
The OPs daughter plays one note and it's "deMs iN diSSaraY" BannonsLiver Sep 6 #14
Agreed. She's so transparent. Oopsie Daisy Sep 6 #18
Seriously, the article is something else obamanut2012 Sep 6 #22
When it's her turn to speak, she only Deminpenn Sep 6 #15
You have to be careful not to play his game Buckeyeblue Sep 6 #16
This is ropeadope. BlueTsunami2018 Sep 6 #17
This seems a bit like a hit piece obamanut2012 Sep 6 #21
Expect the same tired played out LIE speech from Letch Loser Luthor T & just counter calling it out and then answer q! Brainfodder Sep 6 #24
Passive-aggressive negative: Worried, scrambling, holed up, handcuffed, limited experience, she could get thrown off, betsuni Sep 6 #25
I don't think it was about interrupting trump, more like being able to have a back-and-forth... brush Sep 6 #26
She's a very successful ex-prosecutor, .... Think. Again. Sep 6 #28
She'll do well. But remember, VP Harris wanted the open mic for a back-and-forth exchange with... brush Sep 6 #36
Yeah, she's gonna make him cry like a baby. Muted mics are not gonna be a problem. Think. Again. Sep 6 #37
"Forced to adjust" ? Really, Joe, you should have observed by now that VP Kamala is very flexible... Hekate Sep 6 #30
Meh. The constant interruptions are obnoxious. meadowlander Sep 6 #31
I am not optimistic about the debate . . . markpkessinger Sep 6 #33
The debate rules are bizarre liberalmediaaddict Sep 6 #34
Biden tried to answer every part of multiple part questions and did an admirable job on substance. That was probably a brewens Sep 6 #35
Bet VP Harris is working on mocking facial expressions, assuming they'll be on split screen. Silent Type Sep 6 #38
SHE IS PLAYING CHESS ... Xoan Sep 6 #39

Ocelot II

(120,110 posts)
1. I don't think it makes any sense to try to confront Trump directly,
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:13 PM
Sep 6

and I doubt Harris really wanted to do that, because arguing with him on factual issues is fundamentally impossible. And I think she knows that. If she wants him to snap I think she can do that within the constraints of the debate format and without challenging him directly.

samsingh

(17,884 posts)
2. trump was very bad in the debate with President Biden
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:15 PM
Sep 6

trump's crappy lies were ignored because of the shock people felt watching the President muted responses

Think. Again.

(17,207 posts)
3. I doubt Harris cares either way...
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:16 PM
Sep 6

...she's an experienced (and highly successful) prosecutor, she's gonna clean the floor with him.

bucolic_frolic

(46,561 posts)
4. I get emails from Trump still attacking Joe Biden
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:17 PM
Sep 6

I wonder if Trump will pull that tactic .... try to tie her to Biden and blame her for everything inflational.

Will he stalk and lloom over the podium

Eliot Rosewater

(32,446 posts)
5. Then it's a lose lose for our side because
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:21 PM
Sep 6

He will do to her what he did to Biden, babble on while she’s answering the question making it very difficult to focus and we will not hear his babbling.

BamaRefugee

(3,695 posts)
7. WHY is it even called a "debate"? When the Orange Anal Wart is involved, it never meets ANY definition of the word.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:25 PM
Sep 6

It's always one thoughtful intelligent person trying to engage discussion on a focused topic, and one person simply spewing propaganda apropos of nothing except disconnected nonsensical foggy notions.

ColinC

(10,408 posts)
9. It's just going to be an exchange of speeches -which will be good
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:31 PM
Sep 6

People can see a side by side view of what a compulsive delusional liar looks like, and a dignified prosecutor who put liars like that away.

She was a prosecutor. She’s used to talking to juries and in a way this is no different.

BruceWane

(356 posts)
10. Gonna backfire
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:36 PM
Sep 6

I think the Trump campaign may have made a huge mistake here.

I'm sure knowing his mic was muted helped, but Trump was able to control himself in the Biden debate largely because he felt like he was winning by letting Joe talk. Trump did not win that debate by anything he did; that debate was lost by Biden, Trump was simply the beneficiary of a poor performance by his opponent.

When Kamala starts kicking his ass, he's gonna lose it and start trying to talk over his muted mic, and it's going to look really bad. And I'm willing to bet the audience for this debate is going to be bigger than the first one, especially the undecided voter contingent.

Remember how he was against Hillary? Remember "YOU'RE THE PUPPET!!! I'M NOT THE PUPPET!!!! YOU'RE THE PUPPET!!!"?

Alliepoo

(2,449 posts)
29. BruceWane- I think you are absolutely right!
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:40 PM
Sep 6

Kamala will push those buttons and stinky pants won’t be able to keep his nasty looking mouth shut. I think he will start trying to interrupt her when his mic is muted and he will look like the idiot he is (at least to sane folks- his cult is a lost cause) just like you said!!

nolabear

(43,115 posts)
11. So she'll adjust. Jesus.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 03:18 PM
Sep 6

If he babbles off mic she can point that out, roll her eyes and go on. She doesn’t have to engage him. She has to engage America. Point out briefly that he’s lying in his responses and go on to give HER replies. Talk policy. Lean in.

SouthernCal_Dem

(910 posts)
12. Politico cracks me up. So dramatic and always slanted against Dems.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 03:19 PM
Sep 6

Harris advisers are scrambling! Ya. Sure. Whatever.

Oopsie Daisy

(4,340 posts)
18. Agreed. She's so transparent.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 04:50 PM
Sep 6

Holly adores Bernie (who doesn't, after all, eh?) and only writes good things when it comes to Bernie (or Nina.) But Holly's contempt with the Democratic party, proper, and with our candidates and party leaders was always something that was very obvious. Holly wears her contempt on her sleeve and isn't afraid to show it. Even positive stories had a negative slant... it's no accident that there's a running joke that goes something like this: "Unemployment Down. Stocks Up. Gas prices stable... Here's why that's bad news for the Democrats." Our friendly "reporter", Holly at Politico, checks all the boxes when it comes to things like that, and it's why Politico itself is a joke.

Deminpenn

(16,156 posts)
15. When it's her turn to speak, she only
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 04:03 PM
Sep 6

needs to shake her head, laugh and say something like, "wasn't that something", then continue on with her answer.




Buckeyeblue

(5,660 posts)
16. You have to be careful not to play his game
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 04:08 PM
Sep 6

Call out his lies. But don't spend too much time on it. And then quickly pivot to a positive message about your vision for the future.

Except for the blatant lies, the strategy is simple. Republicans have no new ideas. They want to take us backwards. Democrats are about positive change. Since Clinton, Democratic nominees have done well when they stick to this formula.

obamanut2012

(27,725 posts)
21. This seems a bit like a hit piece
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 04:56 PM
Sep 6

And I doubt it very much. I see no one who currently works with her said anything. 2020 was a long time ago, and they have ZERO idea of what is going on. No actual sources except Axelrod, who is complimentary.

Wow.

Politico, too.

Brainfodder

(7,172 posts)
24. Expect the same tired played out LIE speech from Letch Loser Luthor T & just counter calling it out and then answer q!
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 04:57 PM
Sep 6

The actual question that Letch won't!
Donold is toast, this is more humiliation and gonna enjoy it!

betsuni

(27,255 posts)
25. Passive-aggressive negative: Worried, scrambling, holed up, handcuffed, limited experience, she could get thrown off,
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:14 PM
Sep 6

anointed, over preparing. Can't be "holed up" and campaigning at the same time. Long pointless article with mysterious top secret sources like my hairdresser's cousin's roommate's boyfriend who worked at a coffee shop down the street from the Harris campaign headquarters four years ago.

Can't wait for the nitpicking that she was over prepared!

brush

(57,086 posts)
26. I don't think it was about interrupting trump, more like being able to have a back-and-forth...
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:24 PM
Sep 6

dialougue with the opponent. You know, an actual debate.

Think. Again.

(17,207 posts)
28. She's a very successful ex-prosecutor, ....
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:29 PM
Sep 6

....she's extremely good at laying out her case without on-going discussion with the other side.

This won't help that trump thing at all.

brush

(57,086 posts)
36. She'll do well. But remember, VP Harris wanted the open mic for a back-and-forth exchange with...
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 06:22 PM
Sep 6

the criminal so she could use her prosecutorial skills to call him out and respond to his lies.

But she'll still look great in contrast to lies and gibberish.

Hekate

(94,283 posts)
30. "Forced to adjust" ? Really, Joe, you should have observed by now that VP Kamala is very flexible...
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:51 PM
Sep 6

It’s Team Trump that is having charlie-horses from having to adjust to a campaign without President Biden as their foil.

I think Mme Veep can turn on a dime against her foes.

meadowlander

(4,681 posts)
31. Meh. The constant interruptions are obnoxious.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:54 PM
Sep 6

I literally have to turn off the TV because all the cross-talk makes it unwatchable.

Let's take this one tiny step back to at least the appearance of civil discourse. Let the other person have their say and then fact check them on rebuttal.

markpkessinger

(8,550 posts)
33. I am not optimistic about the debate . . .
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 06:01 PM
Sep 6

. . . precisely because I know that a debate is nothing like a prosecutor's cross-examination. Trump will spew lie on top of lie so that Kamala simply won't have time to counter all of them. This is what he does, and he's very good at it. I see no good coming from it for our side.

liberalmediaaddict

(917 posts)
34. The debate rules are bizarre
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 06:03 PM
Sep 6

The muted microphones, no interruptions by the panel, no audience and no back and forth makes for a weird debate especially viewing it at home.

I think the original idea from the Biden team was to neuter Trump as much as possible so it wouldn't be a repeat of the 2020 debate when Trump wouldn't shut up.

They may have gone overboard. Trump will probably pop a couple Ativan before the debate and impersonate a normal sounding politician for 2 hours.

Unfortunately his fear of losing and going to jail helps him focus when he has to.

 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
35. Biden tried to answer every part of multiple part questions and did an admirable job on substance. That was probably a
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 06:12 PM
Sep 6

mistake and he was off for sure. Maybe just answering the last question or part of question and hitting Trump back on the most recent lie would have been a better strategy. Trump never really answers any question so why should our side feel obligated to respond to every point?

I'm looking forward to the debate. Harris should slap the shit out of him! Figuratively speaking.

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