Dickie boy and his Haliburton stole million of barrels of unmetered oil from the Iraqi people. But yeah he's a darling.

for example the Philippines.

against the innocents.

and election stealers.

They weren't as crazy and trashy as Trump.

Trump wants to make Kennedy head of Women's Health!

That's diiiiiiisgusting..........

communist

Except, of course, his rocket$$$$$$$$ and his pocket$$$$$$$$$$$$

or Benghazi. I can't believe people don't smack that crap down every time.

I made a meme with the burning twin towers.

Top line: Never Forget What Happened

Bottom line: When you Put The Half-Wit Barbara Bush Crapped Out In The White House

I throw that in their faces every time. I also post it everywhere I can just before 9/11.

Those fucking Cheney's are fine with any republican destroying our country and democracy but draw the line at which one of them can do it. I guess the orange half wit just wasn't republican enough to suit them.

and didn't lose an election. And he likely stole his first term from Al Gore. He won his second election by hiring people to lie about John Kerry's military service.

At one point, he said, "I could win. But I couldn't govern".

. “Even accepting that Ron is right and there is a theoretical way that I could win by 9 votes, I couldn’t be president of the United States that way, It’s not right,” “If we knock out thousands of votes of military people, I couldn’t govern. I could win, but I couldn’t govern."


Context is everything.

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I don't think showing the whole quote changes the context or, if anything, it enhances it. Those ballots were cast late in full defiance of the rules.

what the why as to how he felt he couldn't govern.

That's what I am trying to point out. If they had (rightly) not counted those votes, the Bush team would have done everything they could have to prevent Gore taking office.

the winner of the 2000 presidential election was the hardest thing I have ever seen. I felt the whole quote was important.


https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/12/08/al-gore-2000-election-certification-mh-orig.cnn

...but every time someone, as diametrically opposed in policy to VP Harris as the Cheneys are, speak up and support her, it's a ray of hope. And that is a good thing - it indicates the danger is lessening.

No, it indicates a real and present danger IMO . If Kamala was a shoo in, I believe the Cheney's would have held their piece.

It is obvious.

"there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump,"

Anybody got a problem with that?

He could only kill half of the Union I suppose. Or he was just a figurehead.

and over saw a peaceful transfer of power, and neither did Cheney, but his endorsement of VP Harris is not a redeeming moment at all.

There's this saying that I'll modify somewhat:
The enemy of my enemy is, temporarily, my ally.

We will win with the same spirit that England, against all odds, stood up to Hitler and won.

We will not give in to fear. We will not be intimidated.

We will not lose our democracy.

We will do our duty to defend the Constitution with the volume and might of our votes at the ballot box.

When we fight, we win!

for our children, for our grandchildren, for our country, but it's not in the bag.

But when you state "We HAVE to win" but go on to state "but it's not in the bag," that conveys doubt and even desperation.

It also directly contradicts what Kamala Harris, our Democratic leader, has stated: "When we fight, we win."

NOT "When we fight, we win, but it's not in the bag."

Some things are tacitly understood but it's prudent not to let your thoughts go there. Once you do, you're planting the seeds of doubt. And doubt can grow into a forest of anxiety and fear which are no good.

I'm not perfect. I've given into that type of thinking before. But that doesn't mean I have to keep doing it.

Positive thinking, combined with putting in the work, is a key characteristic to being a winner.

"We are the underdogs". Same riff.

Underdog means not favored by others to win. It doesn't mean that you don't think you'll win.

At the moment, Harris is favored to win by FiveThirtyEight and I predict she's going to open up a huge lead between now and November.

Also, historian Allan Lichtman predicts Harris will win the presidency.

People on the political right should be worried, not people on the political left (but people on the left still need to put in the work between now and November).

But I've now deduced that you're operating from ego and just want to win an argument.

Therefore I won't be revisiting this thread.

Feel free to have the last word.

I welcome the endorsement. It's like agreeing with Sauron, though.

Well said.

Stand for anything. He was one of the primary cheating liars who enriched himself and cronies by discarding plenty of anti-terrorism measures put in place previously and then when their unlocked barn-door was violated starting unjustified wars that led to thousands of needless deaths. We'll leave the heinous torture of prisoners by our military on his watch for another time.

Did Cheney think he was defending the constitution when he helped bushthief steal the 2000 election in Florida? Several hundred thousand legally cast votes sit uncounted in the Florida archives thanks to the bushthief/Cheney election stealing cabal. Now Cheney wants to turn on the orange turd for using the bushthief/Cheney election stealing road map? Sadly, the corporate media will lap it up. It's disgusting!

That the outcome depends on which side does a better job of stealing it

The 2000 election was fraudulent. Several hundred thousand legally cast votes sit uncounted in the Florida archives because the repugs succeeded in getting the repug controlled SCOTUS to stop the legal Florida vote count. Florida 2000 clearly established that the repugs understand that they can no longer win elections legitimately because their draconian policies are NOT supported by the majority of voters. Instead of working to understand what voters concerns are and what policies they would like to see, the repugs have doubled down on their election stealing in order to gain and retain power and force their highly unpopular extremist agenda on our country and against the will of the voters. Sadly, the dems have been extremely slow in figuring out what the repugs are up to and how to respond to the repugs all out assault on American democracy. Al Gore had it figured out in 2000 and fought to have the uncounted Florida votes counted but he got no additional help from the dem side. This is the ugly reality that our country is now facing.

burnt ash soul."

I have a slightly better opinion of Liz Cheney, because as odious as her policy positions are, I see her as more of a patriot than Darth "Cheney" Vader. He's a war criminal and profiteer.

Still, in spite of the assertion in the OP that it is a bad sign because our backs are to the wall, the good of it is that the Harris campaign is building a permission structure and really enlarging the coalition. The fact that many old-school Republicans are coming in, as well as some evangelicals, and first time voters are registering like crazy seems encouraging.

Yeah, Trump could still take it (though I pray not every day). But each day I'm thinking we have a better chance than the day before.

Let us hope Trump has a really bad debate and puts his dementia on display for the nation. Then maybe we can breathe normally, but we still have to play through the whistle as Walz would say.

This election has become a referendum on our system of government and Constitution.

And especially lately with some even suggesting she either run for office somewhere else than WY or even that they'd vote for her (WTF?) There were many others involved in trying to stop and prosecute the case against The Felon and his sycophant's also. Why? Because as you pointed out, it's their duty as patriots to defend the Constitution. They don't get nearly the praise (probably because of her evil name) as she does, maybe Kinzinger to a degree.
It really concerns me that someone who voted for Trump twice, refused to vote for impeachment, has been openly hostile on abortion rights amongst other far right views gets as much praise as she does on this board. People like her will burn us alive given the chance.

You are very right, we are in big trouble.

But it needs to be made very clear that these people do not have a home here unless they repent their far right conservative values. Those values have no place in a progressive liberal Democratic party. Trust me, I've been around long enough to have seen how far the right has already dragged what would be considered "the middle" to the right. And in this political game of tug-o-war Dick Cheney and his ilk are professionals in doing that.

Too many times have I watched this party get politically bullied and dragged towards a so called center and then bounce only half as far back over the last 50 years. It's not so much the GQP has been moving moving farther right, they've been dragging us to the right kicking and screaming with them. That is my fear and warning.

Like I've said, on 11/6, as Bartles and Jaymes once said, "thanks for your support", now get the hell off my lawn and go clean your own house up. After all they let this happen and are almost as responsible as The Felon himself IMHO. Respectfully

(Compromise with moderates in one's own or another party to get enough votes to pass legislature isn't being dragged to the Right.)

Any Democratic votes for Trump tax cuts, abolishing the ACA, deregulation and trickle down economics, against voting rights? No.

Liz Cheney. I'd never vote for her, unless it was against Trump. But not today. Today we're on the same team. She's not just paying lip service, she's going to campaign for VP Harris. Welcome to the resistance.

And I strongly believe it has over the last 50 years

This is not one of those elections.

Cheney is right: "There has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump,"

We have a presidential candidate who is telling voters that America is in the trashcan, every aspect is the worst, crime, economy,
security, immigration, and only he can fix it, yet he has no ideas and no understanding to fix anything. And he says look at Hungary, look at China, look at Russia. Those leaders are all his examples of who he wants to be.

We have a candidate who wants to destroy our democracy and our most basic freedoms and the media will not report that. They will not inform the people of these basic facts. They want to talk about taxes on tips and Kamala Harris's ethnicity, anything Trump wants them to talk about.

All it takes is a one percent move from where the polls are now towards Trump and he wins. This is a crisis. Cheney's abandonment of his party reflects the scale of that crisis.

By the ICC for war crimes

Cheney's endorsement and plan to actually vote for Harris likely would convince more Republicans and those on the right to vote for Harris than any one of us ever would and that's worth something. I'm not too self righteous to take what I could get if it helps us win the White House.

Toward a greater good. The preservation of democracy itself.

Even Kamala herself made an across the aisle appeal from the floor of the DNC by promising to be a President for all the people.

Strange how some now think we can afford to say 'fuck you' to a potentially significant endorsement.

aside from the fact that it might bring a few more votes to our side you know that things are REALLY bad for some powerful interests when Darth Cheney is endorsing an African-American Female Democrat for POTUS.

Odd.

there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump"

Is Dick overthinking it too?

Now that we're at the doorstep of a Fascist takeover they want to change their ways. Think Bill Barr and how he worked to protect Trump while he was his AG and then jumped ship a few weeks before January 6th.

Gingrich, Rove, Cheney, Barr and Mitch etc. all weakened the guardrails to breaking point, but most of them were probably surprised at what sort of monster broke through. McConnell is the worst. He could have stopped it.

Everybody else can get in line behind him. Fuck these people who claim they're voting for Kamala Harris, and who are still Republicans. They lie when it suits them, and when it doesn't. If they're that worried about Trump, they should have done something about it years ago. Like, in 2015 before he was going to run for president and fuck America up worse than they did.

Sorry I can't say what I really mean, but I like being able to post here.

Now, sit in the fucking corner and wait until you’re called for, Republicans. Useless fucks.

It's of utmost importance for the survival of our democracy. After the election, we can return to our respective corners as we know who the Cheneys are, and they know who we are...different sides of the American coin, not dictator wannabes.

I find the false accusation by some that Democrats have been dragged to the Right, are neoliberal trickle down deregulation anti-environment corporatist shills with no policies helping working/middle class just like Republicans and will turn over the car keys to the party to right-wingers any second to be really stupid and offensive.

Both sides same in 2024?

Much less the extreme rightist maga trumpers...no empathy for the less fortunate, all the while hoping to step on them to get rich themselves.

The Kennedys (obviously not RFK Jr,), the Roosevelts, George Scoros, Bloomberg and others...all have done very well but have also been champions for those much less well off.

then what can I say? Biden needs to do whatever he needs to do to protect us. Garland already failed and now it's on him to hold the line.