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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNeoconservatives headed into the Democratic Party tent...
This could be explained thoroughly in a loooong thread but I don't have time for that.
Let's just start with this.
According to Justin Vaisse, Senior Fellow at Brookings and expert on neoconservatism...
Neoconservatism is based on 5 pillars.
1) Internationalism
2) Primacy
3) Militarism
4) Democracy
5) Unilateralism
Trump threatens each and every one of the 5 pillars of neoconservatism.
Depending on world events... neocons find allies in the Democratic Party on at least 3/5 of the pillars.
The other day I called it the "neocon-ification" of the Democratic Party. And I don't like it.
I understand Trump brings strange allies to the Party... but for the love of Dog, DO NOT sell our souls.
The NeverTrumpers may have failed to prevent Donald Trump from becoming president, but he has been a godsend for their public reputations. Instead of remaining in the wilderness, the neoconservatives who make up the bulk of the NeverTrump movement have fitfully begun to move back toward, or at least flirt with, the Democratic Party, which is where the original neocon journey began.
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/10/28/neocons-paved-the-way-for-trump-at-least-max-boot-admits-it/
Think. Again.
(15,386 posts)...won't be turning Blue, they won't be answering poll questions, and they probably won't be voting FOR a Black woman, but after trump just publicly trashed dick cheney tonight, they won't be voting FOR him either.
Ocelot II
(119,188 posts)The enemies of our enemy are not necessarily our friends but they can be useful temporary allies. We win the election and worry about those guys later but I doubt they'll want to stay under the Dem umbrella anyhow.
wnylib
(23,613 posts)If they do stay, they will try to take over the party and push out the liberals. Then there will be two parties on the Left, the liberals and the far left socialists. Splitting up the Left could hurt us.
Ocelot II
(119,188 posts)Coexist
(25,294 posts)is to crush the anti-Democratic elements in the Republican Party so badly, that they will take a very long time to regroup.
After that, the Never-Trump republicans will reset their party with traditional conservatives, and we will go on arguing about tax rates, and foreign policy, like we always do, having different angles on these things.
To me this is a 'put the fight on hold while we fumigate' action that is understood.
I could be wrong
WarGamer
(14,233 posts)Post Trump... the GOP will come up with another Trump... younger, more articulate, double the IQ, maybe non-white and maybe female...
Look at the Romney run. Trump beat those vote totals by TENS of millions.
In 28, you're going to see someone like Gabbard, Vivek or MAYBE a Trojan horse like Matthew McConaughey
Voltaire2
(14,407 posts)House of Roberts
(5,517 posts)in the Republican Party.
In their version of the party, truth telling was important, and their belief in the strength of their argument, persuasive enough to win on policy, was the goal. Try working that into the modern day Republican Party, funded by the spoiled brat richfuck donor class, and you'd be shown the door if not thrown through it by their thugs.
WarGamer
(14,233 posts)Max Boot, former conservative and present day anti-Trumper said:
After 9/11, he endorsed American imperialism in a Weekly Standardcover story. The benighted countries of the Middle East, he announced, cry out for the sort of enlightened foreign administration once provided by self-confident Englishmen in jodhpurs and pith helmets. His name became a synonym for neocon warmonger, and he went on to advise the George W. Bush administration and presidential aspirants such as Senator Marco Rubio.
House of Roberts
(5,517 posts)We either exert our control over a given area of the world, or Russia, or China, or even Iran, moves into the vacuum we leave if we don't.
soandso
(374 posts)Peacetrain
(23,559 posts)haele
(13,181 posts)They are not necessarily my friend, but they can be a temporary ally.
They are still scorpions.
Haele
KentuckyWoman
(6,837 posts)They are saying they'll vote against Trump. To do so they are stuck with Harris. Once MAGA is tossed to the curb the battles will commence same as always.
bigtree
(88,781 posts)...like we do on the internet.
The reality is that most of our nation's progress has been bipartisan, and most Americans have said in every election since I've been politically active that they want the parties to work together.
We bring our interests and concerns into the political arena from myriad diverse and disparate regions of the nation and work to reconcile all of that ambition and need into action or law.
None of it is guaranteed, and the opportunity for unilateral advancement of legislation is so rare as to necessitate some sort of unity; especially on issues of importance like national security, or national health.
Besides, those 'pillars' you describe are ideology, not action, and, all we're asking republicans to do is vote; not become party chairmen.