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applegrove

(121,537 posts)
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 08:58 AM Sep 7

It's Incredibly Close

It’s Incredibly Close

September 7, 2024 at 8:53 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 1 Comment

https://politicalwire.com/2024/09/07/its-incredibly-close/


"SNIP.............

Dan Pfeiffer: “If you polled the press corps and most Democrats who are not working for the Harris-Walz campaign, 85 percent would say that Kamala Harris would win if the election were held today. If you ask the people who are actually deep in the numbers and paying really close attention to what’s happening in the battleground states, it’s closer to 50-50. And I think it’s very possible that if the election were held today, Trump would win…”

“When you dig into the battleground state poll numbers, they’re all toss-ups, every single one of them. There’s not a single battleground state poll where one of the candidates is up or down by more than two points, and most of them are tied, or at one point. And when you start doing the math of what happens if one of the candidates does not win Pennsylvania, it all gets very complicated, very quickly.”

...........SNIP"

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It's Incredibly Close (Original Post) applegrove Sep 7 OP
Imagine if the press told the truth what the polls would be mucifer Sep 7 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 7 #7
Note about the author: Fiendish Thingy Sep 7 #2
While we do indeed need to fight like it's a terribly close race no matter what... RidinWithHarris Sep 7 #3
Horse races are fun! (and great for media profits!) Think. Again. Sep 7 #4
When is the last time the polling was actually accurate? -misanthroptimist Sep 7 #5
We still are 2 days shy of 2 months away from the election... Dennis Donovan Sep 7 #6
The articles over at Huff Post have tRump looking good with the EC in the battlegrounds. ProudMNDemocrat Sep 7 #8
Huff Post is pushing Nate Silver bullshit asm128 Sep 7 #12
We obviously musclecar6 Sep 7 #9
Can't someone just take their Time Machine to November hauckeye Sep 7 #10
If our anxiety is this bad now imagine what it will be from election night on,until the results are actually certified. BlueKota Sep 7 #11
Election night of 2020 I made the mistake of turning on the election results at the beginning of returns and went into a msfiddlestix Sep 7 #13
Good idea not to check until later and have someone BlueKota Sep 7 #14
During the Biden TSF debate, I couldn't bring myself to watch it, so I simply followed DU live thread msfiddlestix Sep 7 #15
That's what my therapist tells me to do BlueKota Sep 7 #17
It's amazing, can't afford therapy but I've always known and relied on focusing on my music is the primary fix msfiddlestix Sep 8 #21
Good point about not giving them clicks. BlueKota Sep 8 #23
I don't buy this RJ_MacReady Sep 7 #16
I get the Mark Elias newsletter BlueKota Sep 7 #18
So up by 6 is now incredibly close for the desperate cult? Brainfodder Sep 7 #19
I don't really buy that there's this secret polling only certain people know about Wanderlust988 Sep 7 #20
GOTV Aepps22 Sep 8 #22

Response to mucifer (Reply #1)

RidinWithHarris

(381 posts)
3. While we do indeed need to fight like it's a terribly close race no matter what...
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 09:03 AM
Sep 7

...and I'm also not the kind of person who blithely dismisses polling, it's very hard for me to believe that Democrats don't have an enthusiasm and motivation advantage that would be hard for the pollsters to model and account for.

While we shouldn't act like we can count on it, I think we'll see a lot of the same surprise advantage that has come out for Democrats in special elections and for abortion rights ballot measures.

-misanthroptimist

(968 posts)
5. When is the last time the polling was actually accurate?
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 09:24 AM
Sep 7

Especially at this stage of the campaign?

Additionally, Democrats routinely outperform the polling. (There are reasons for that.)

Sure, you can have your head in all the numbers you want. But if those numbers or methodology are wrong, your conclusions will be wrong.

Trump is going to lose and lose fairly big. He will lose the popular vote by 8% +/-2%. Harris will take the EC with a minimum of 287 EVs, and possibly as high as 366, though it will likely be around 303.

Dennis Donovan

(22,007 posts)
6. We still are 2 days shy of 2 months away from the election...
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 09:24 AM
Sep 7

A lot can happen in that time period. My prediction is a major fuck-up is more in store for Trump/Vance than Harris/Walz (who, by all accounts, has run a pretty flawless campaign).

Also, count on more big purple GOP endorsements for Harris/Walz to come in. The Cheneys broke the dam, so to speak.

ProudMNDemocrat

(18,408 posts)
8. The articles over at Huff Post have tRump looking good with the EC in the battlegrounds.
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 09:27 AM
Sep 7

We have work to do people.

Kamala and Tim MUST win and win convincingly.

hauckeye

(697 posts)
10. Can't someone just take their Time Machine to November
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 09:29 AM
Sep 7

And then come back and tell us? Would save a lot of anxiety 😬

BlueKota

(2,974 posts)
11. If our anxiety is this bad now imagine what it will be from election night on,until the results are actually certified.
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 09:36 AM
Sep 7

If V.P. Harris wins we can all breathe a sigh of relief. If tsf wins, my anxiety will soar and the recurring awake and asleep nightmares will begin.

I wish after I vote, some one could put me in an unconscious, but still alive state, and only revive me if Kamala Harris wins

msfiddlestix

(7,599 posts)
13. Election night of 2020 I made the mistake of turning on the election results at the beginning of returns and went into a
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 09:56 AM
Sep 7

full blown panic attack, because one state return after another was counted as in for TSF.
I Couldn't breath, chest tightened so hard I honestly thought I might be having a cardiac arrest. Somehow I managed to grab the remote, turn off the set, reached for a bottle of Brandy and a joint, after a couple of hits of each, I started calming down. I didn't bother turning the set the next day, I asked a friend to tell me what the results were.

Not going to do that this time.. I'm keeping the TV off and possibly checking in with DU until midnight after California's results are in. which will be for Harris/Walz of course, but won't be official until late. as per usual.
I hate the EC. It needs to be ABOLISHED.

BlueKota

(2,974 posts)
14. Good idea not to check until later and have someone
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 03:25 PM
Sep 7

else tell you the good or bad news. I agree about the electoral college. Tired of having minority dictate to the majority.

msfiddlestix

(7,599 posts)
15. During the Biden TSF debate, I couldn't bring myself to watch it, so I simply followed DU live thread
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 03:37 PM
Sep 7

To the point when it was painfully clear, Biden's debate performance was going south and no real hope of recovering. So, I just quit following the thread, got off the computer and started practicing my music which made me feel a little better.

BlueKota

(2,974 posts)
17. That's what my therapist tells me to do
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 03:58 PM
Sep 7

Shut off the news or whatever social media reports are upsetting me, and do something totally unrelated like play with my dog, listen to music, watch a TV show etc.

msfiddlestix

(7,599 posts)
21. It's amazing, can't afford therapy but I've always known and relied on focusing on my music is the primary fix
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 09:55 AM
Sep 8

and anti-depressant, anti-anxiety medicine. Must avoid watching cable and broadcast news with very rare exceptions. I've realized way back we are not just in a fight against political and religious extremists and fascists but the corporate news industry which enables and supports it to the detriment of our democracy. If participating in the democratic process of elections is nothing but a circus show for the news media, we are effed. I cannot watch it, do not wish to support it by watching it But since there's eff all any of us can do about it, we can at least stop giving them clicks on line or on the TV.
But folks are addicted to it, so i'll just keep doing what I'm doing to try and keep sane.

BlueKota

(2,974 posts)
18. I get the Mark Elias newsletter
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 04:02 PM
Sep 7

He said it maybe close, and we still have to do everything to we can to help, but in the end he believes VP Harris will win. That gave me a needed hope boost because being an election lawyer he has to have a pretty good handle on what's going on with the electorate.


Wanderlust988

(552 posts)
20. I don't really buy that there's this secret polling only certain people know about
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 04:10 PM
Sep 7

People trash the big polling units by saying there's other internal polling that is different. I call bullshit.

There's one thing that all polls show and that is Harris has a much higher favorability than Trump. This doesn't get talked about much but this is very important for winning over leaners.

Aepps22

(260 posts)
22. GOTV
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 10:24 AM
Sep 8

I will continue to harp on the importance of us making sure that our family and friends are registered to vote and will vote in this election. Polls are useful data but we can’t get discouraged or overconfident in what they say at a given point in time. We have to do our part to get this victory

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