Coach Walz and Couch Vance

I really wish Walz would have completed the requirements to officially retire as a CSM. It sounds better than Master Sergeant. Oh well he served.

Also, howdy fellow Bills fan!

So far, undefeated!

All one needs is a spark of creativity.

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Kamala is light on policy if only because shes not an incumbent president. I think she is the brightest debater in a long time. She is so credible, human, believable.

someone who consistently interrupts, name calls, lies, lies, and not answer the questions. It used to be automatic loss in debate rules, but Trump changed the rules, or our MSM changed the rules. The most obnoxious wins the debate in today's America.

I hope she baits her hook with a really tasty morsel..and he swallows it hook,line and sinker..


Then she can really reel the flailing orange orca in!

Isnt that she wont do well, its that the media will try to make tsf the winner anyway.

They have a habit of doing a "what he meant was" sainwash of his appearences. They will use a soundbite and then go into deep analysis of what he meant and why its good, even if his answer was garbage. And they will inevitably say he appeared strong, and that harris struggled with weak responses.

Not to mention the questions will be based on rw talking points; grocery prices, afghanistan pullout, immigration, and other points the rw wants discussed over and over. They will all go to dem weaknesses (perceived, not real).

And the after debate commentary often means more than the actual debate.

child care, project 2025, insurrection, pres. immunity, IVF, Russian media influence, raping women...etc...I doubt they will go near any of that.

The questions will highlight anti-dem positions. Softballs to him, and very tough for kamala.

And it really doesnt matter what they ask him. He wont answer the question and just repeat his campaign rhetoric.

We be like:




TSF be like:

I keep asking people what a debate win for Kamala actually looks like? Trump just lies and acts obnoxious and is graded on an unbelievable curve. We have several debates as evidence where he never wins on policy but somehow at best it’s deemed a draw or at worst he is declared the winner. Our side amped up expectations for Joe’s debate with similar comments and we were the first ones dooming and glooming when he didn’t meet them. Our side needs to start working the refs now and mention that it is hard to debate a liar and set the tone for what a Kamala win looks like which could be she answered policy questions and actually has a plan or something like that. Trump has lost every single debate on policy but the media never says that and will sane wash whatever he says.

...but unless it's utterly embarrassing for the other guy, I doubt if it will have any major effect on the race. I'm sure he'll b.s. and dodge questions he doesn't like while brining up nonrelevant points, but as long as he keeps talking and doesn't freeze up that will be enough for the media and his supporters.

He should not be allowed to dodge questions. The last time, nobody stopped him from ignoring a question and starting with "I want to go back to (whatever an earlier question was)" and using up his time rambling about immigration when the question was about the economy. The moderator needs to nip that in the bud, tell him that they are moving on to the next question, and repeat it. They need to continue to do this, despite his refusing to address the current question. But....given how frightened and cowed everyone is by his presence, it seems a bit unlikely they will do anything to stop him.

45 always gets away with being a shit ass.

lot younger than trump, and most important, she is a good communicator.

The Dana Bash interview exemplified that. VP Harris controlled the narrative, and Bash couldn't throw her off her message. Just the fact that she refused to engage in the racist nonesense regarding her "blackness", with "same old tired playbook, next question", should tell us she isn't going to take crap from anyone, whether it be trump or the moderators.

I will be surprised if trump can even stay on the subject without going off into some incoherent rambling.

No doubt trump will try to distance himself from Project 2025, but he will have trouble claiming ignorance when the authors of Project 2025 are part of his campaign.

This will not be like the President Biden/trump debate.

Especially this:

I doubt that he's even capable of staying on track these days. His mind seems to wander off in all kinds of different directions once he starts talking, and the dementia has robbed him of the ability to even recognize when he's going off on an irrelevant tangent.

When my FIL's second wife was developing dementia, she would talk about the same things over and over again and repeat herself endlessly just like Trump. She would go into a soliloquy about something that happened in her childhood without even noticing that it had nothing to do with what anyone else was talking about. I see a lot of that kind of thing in Trump these days.

I think as the connection to reality gradually weakens, there's a tendency to live in one's head more and more. With dementia, people lose their ability to form new memories, but the old ones are still there, and things that happened long ago can start to seem more real than whatever is happening in the present. Trump isn't that far gone yet, but he's on his way.

I seriously think he's at the beginning stages of dementia. My mom had just been diagnosed in April, and passed away from heart failure in early June. We watched this for close to two years. She would have been 77 in November.


However, she had absolute clarity when she was visiting in May and said "I hope I die before that fucker so I can push him to hell."

God I miss her!

I'm so sorry for your loss. May your memories of her always be a blessing.

“stupid and ignorant”. In a normal universe we all know this wouldn’t be a contest. Kamala Harris would blow away the clown and that would be the end of that. Unfortunately this isn’t a normal universe. In this universe our M$M bends over backwards to legitimize the lying ignoramous. So, while optimistic, I’m also cautiously tempering my expectations until I observe what M$M will try to pull in order to help him and how they will spin it after it is over (which no doubt will include their traditional “room full of independents” who are really right wing plants).

There are a lot of differences this time.

I will be surprised if trump can even stay on topic yet alone give coherent answers.

He didn’t answer a single question and yet you would never know it by the way M$M covered it. In fact, he never answers questions or stays on topic so it’s a dead certainty he will do the same in this debate. I think the question is how Kamala can turn the conversation so that M$M can’t legitimize him again and get away with it.

If this were a genuine debate it would have value. This is a waste of time. We know TFG playbook.. lie, Gish gallop lie again. Interrupt. Shout lies louder! Stalk opponent if given the opportunity.
He couldn’t discuss any topic intelligently, not even the weather.
Disgusting… better yet, Despicable!

narrative.

of a Nov win, more and more goprs will jump ship. Snowball rolling downhill. They will not only endorse but campaign for the winning side.

She should win without them, but GOP defections are going to be key to a decisive landslide win.

debate is to move the independents and GOP defections. If it is able to move just the Haley supporters in our direction, I think that might do it. Of course we still need a massive turnout from women, young people, and of course Democrats. Nothing taken for granted.

Who are independent voters at this late stage in the race anyways? Honestly, they are people who really don't care much at all about politics or the issues and only vote because they feel a civic duty to do so. They're "vibe voters" and at the end, they'll vote for the candidate who they perceive is winning so as to have not wasted their time voting for a loser.

Who will watch the debates? Partisans, of course. Most everyone else will see carefully curated snippets on social media. Absent a massive undeniable catastrophe, Trump's supporters will declare him the winner, Harris' supporters will declare her the winner, and the algorithms on their social media feeds will re-enforce this.

As you said though, it's all going to come down to GOTV. And this is where Trump has a real problem. Young white males without college degrees are far and away his strongest base of support and they have historically dismal turnout numbers. Some estimates I've read claim 24-30 million of them aren't even registered to vote.

Kamala Harris will answer all questions carefully, intelligently and respectfully.

The Shit Monster will lie, brag, talk in circles and call people names.

The media will be delighted.

I was absolutely stoked before the Biden/Trump debate only to be left aghast and worried. But a Harris/Trump debate is a different animal with Harris at the peak of her game, nimble and eager to teach the bully a lesson.

Still, it will be a challenge as Agent Orange turns on the firehose of disinformation and lies.

Listened to Joe Trippi yesterday suggest Harris have withering rebuttals to Trump's near certain line of attacks: immigration, crime and inflation; he's repeated these lies endlessly so everyone should expect them. If Harris produces a punch in the nose on those items, she'll have the upper hand and effectively deflate Trump's strategy of lying and talking nonstop nonsense.

Also picked up a comment by Michael Steele who said Harris would be wise to hold back on a full prosecutorial approach because people are voting for a president, not an attorney general. It's a fine line to walk but Steele is confident Kamala has the chops to pull this off and find the right balance.

The whole world will be watching with nervous anticipation.

No matter what happens in the debates, no matter how bad Trump and Vance look, Fox News will say Trump won and other news outlets will sane-itise what they say to avoid “appearing partisan.”

I don’t expect the debates to move the polls much to be honest. We just have to put-hustle the other guy.

HRC is an amazing person but came from the same generation as my mom - very polite and polished. Harris is biracial (as am I) and was born on the cusp of Gen X (I'm dead center).. .

We play by different rules, and that doddering old man has never come up against us. I've learned in my career that when dealing with an older white male who has determined that I am his enemy . . . . all is fair in verbally curb stomping him and shoving him.out of my way.

She knows his type. Her verbal shiv will be at the ready.

... convicted felons. I think she dangerous to overly confident grifters who don't think too much of women..

Verbal beating incoming, severe, maybe fatal to campaign and shouldn't take much?