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Septua

(2,440 posts)
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 12:37 PM Sep 7

Let us not forget the real problem

When Trump was President, his average approval rating was 40+%. Since being out of office, his favorable poll numbers have averaged 40+%. His presidential poll numbers have him averaging 43%. Conclusion: 40+% of the country believe the man should be President.

But the 40+% who believe that, don't really favor Trump...they favor what he, in their eyes, stands for: racism, xenophobia, bigotry, selective freedoms, etc and those supporters didn't just come into being when Trump decided to run for President in 2016. They were always there; they just never had a President who supported them.

They don't care that Trump tried to overturn the election and overthrow the government; they were in fact, hoping he would succeed. They don't care that he's a narcissist or corrupt or convicted felon or fascist, wouldbe dictator if elected. They don't care that Trump and his political friends are doing everything imaginable to corrupt the upcoming election. They are hoping he succeeds at that.



It is a dire situation...and the only hope for us is the other 60% cast a vote for Kamala and the states do their duty and count 'em.


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Let us not forget the real problem (Original Post) Septua Sep 7 OP
That can be compared to weather predictions. ProudMNDemocrat Sep 7 #1
Great post... Think. Again. Sep 7 #2
When elitist came to mean literate, not a bloated billionaire SheltieLover Sep 7 #4
Trump Republicans made "Elitist" a dirty word PJMcK Sep 7 #5
Absolutely! SheltieLover Sep 7 #6
Polling isnt that accurate.... getagrip_already Sep 7 #3
I agree but there's an oddity I've noticed PJMcK Sep 7 #7
Nate is funded by peter thiel, and quite possibly, putin getagrip_already Sep 7 #8

ProudMNDemocrat

(18,408 posts)
1. That can be compared to weather predictions.
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 12:40 PM
Sep 7

A 40% chance of rain equals a 60% chance it WON'T rain.

I'll take the chances of it NOT raining over the chances it will.

Think. Again.

(15,389 posts)
2. Great post...
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 12:44 PM
Sep 7

...it's true that the magat movement has made being what used to be considered socially unacceptable into a celebrated lifestyle.

I can only hope reason will return to society after he's gone and no longer around to promote being vile as a fashionable personality trend.

PJMcK

(22,527 posts)
5. Trump Republicans made "Elitist" a dirty word
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 02:25 PM
Sep 7

In the same manner Reagan made liberal an epithet, these cretins have made elitist an insult.

From what I've seen and read as well as through my interactions with Trump supporters, it's my guess that a great many of those people are illiterate, incurious and ignorant. They resent those who are educated and successful so they follow the leader who gives them license to justify their grievances and prejudices. They don't care about Trump's failings perhaps knowing of their own shortcomings. Oddly, they seem happy in their cult of complaints.

I'm proud of my education because I worked really hard to learn things. Studying also created a profound curiosity in me and I try to learn new things every day. The world is full of fascinations and it is baffling to me that there are people who don't value the ability of our brains to learn. If that makes me an elitist, so be it.

getagrip_already

(16,908 posts)
3. Polling isnt that accurate....
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 12:55 PM
Sep 7

Sure, its all we have but those polls over read his actual support, because of the way they build and conduct the poll.

They assume there will be more turnout from tsf supporters and less for dems, and then they reach more conservative voters when they use phone surveys.

Its systemic. They just dont care.

PJMcK

(22,527 posts)
7. I agree but there's an oddity I've noticed
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 02:44 PM
Sep 7

The polls seem to be leaning towards VP Harris winning the election. I'd be happier if the numbers were more heavily tilted our way but a win is a win.

Here's the weird thing. Nate Silver says that Trump will win. Alan Lichtman says that VP Harris will win. Both can't be correct.

My opinion is that VP Harris will win by a very large margin. I think the pollsters are struggling to redefine their methods as our culture has outrun their craft. My point is that polling isn't a science. It doesn't make hypothesis that are tested and peer reviewed. The mathematical formulae created by pollsters are imperfect because the subjects being polled are imperfect in that their answers to the polling questions can be self-contradictory or even misleading. I'm skeptical of most polls from whatever source because it's just news of the moment.

Issac Asimov, the science fiction author, wrote a humorous short story about polling called, "The Franchise." The 1955 tale describes the (then-future) 2008 election when one person is chosen to represent all of the American voters. Supercomputer Multivac asks this person a huge number of questions to predictively model the way the people of the U.S. would "vote." One question was "What do you think about the price of eggs?" The selected voter leaves the experience dizzy and drained but feeling patriotic and proud.

getagrip_already

(16,908 posts)
8. Nate is funded by peter thiel, and quite possibly, putin
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 02:49 PM
Sep 7

He is not an impartial analyst.

He is deep in the pockets of the right and its shady money.

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