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LAS14

(14,253 posts) Sat Sep 7, 2024, 03:36 PM Sep 7

"four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder"

This is in reference to the charges against the father of the Georgia school shooting. Does anyone know why 2 would be manslaughter and 2 would be second-degree murder?"

This is from a CNN report: https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/07/us/apalachee-school-shooting-georgia-saturday/index.html

Apologies to those who think I should research this on Google instead of cluttering up DU with such questions. (Reference to other threads from today).

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"four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder" (Original Post) LAS14 Sep 7 OP

That's what we're here for! Dennis Donovan Sep 7 #1

:-) nt LAS14 Sep 7 #2

I am not positive, but maybe it has to do with the ages of the victims. 33taw Sep 7 #3

YES! As vaguely explained in an article I read early this morning, Jack Valentino Sep 7 #18

I too have felt the opprobrium of the watchdogs of DU and sympathize. "Clutter" away. Asking questions.... EarnestPutz Sep 7 #4

:-) nt LAS14 Sep 7 #8

LOL! MineralMan Sep 7 #5

What are you laughing at? LAS14 Sep 7 #9

"Georgia officials have provided little detail about what led them to target Gray ..." Jim__ Sep 7 #6

Whomever wrote that did some back flips there underpants Sep 7 #10

The answers will come out during discovery. Mosby Sep 7 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Mysterian Sep 7 #13

I tend to agree that the 2nd degree murder charges are a 'stretch', Jack Valentino Sep 7 #19

I'll (sadly) guess. underpants Sep 7 #11

It might be this dsc Sep 7 #12

Aha! I bet you've got it. Thanks. nt LAS14 Sep 7 #14

That's probably the one! Jack Valentino Sep 7 #20

I can't wait to hear about how Ga officials are going to Ilsa Sep 7 #15

Ahh, a clickbait headline. What could it be about? I must see... elocs Sep 7 #16

I had that question myself. I read an article early today Jack Valentino Sep 7 #17

Dennis Donovan

(22,005 posts)

1. That's what we're here for!

Reply to LAS14 (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 03:39 PM

Sep 7

Unfortunately I don't have an answer to your question.

LAS14

(14,253 posts)

2. :-) nt

Reply to Dennis Donovan (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 03:42 PM

Sep 7

33taw

(2,644 posts)

3. I am not positive, but maybe it has to do with the ages of the victims.

Reply to LAS14 (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 03:43 PM

Sep 7

Jack Valentino

(395 posts)

18. YES! As vaguely explained in an article I read early this morning,

Reply to 33taw (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 08:44 PM

Sep 7

the two second degree murder charges against the father were for the murders of the two children, 'because of other laws' about crimes against children. I still don't understand it in detail, and didn't save the link, unfortunately.

EarnestPutz

(2,511 posts)

4. I too have felt the opprobrium of the watchdogs of DU and sympathize. "Clutter" away. Asking questions....

Reply to LAS14 (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 03:45 PM

Sep 7

......is one of the best uses of this website. Every posting shouldn't be someone's little pontificating.

LAS14

(14,253 posts)

8. :-) nt

Reply to EarnestPutz (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 04:13 PM

Sep 7

MineralMan

(146,998 posts)

5. LOL!

Reply to LAS14 (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 03:45 PM

Sep 7

Oh, my...

LAS14

(14,253 posts)

9. What are you laughing at?

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 04:14 PM

Sep 7

Post #4? The OP? If so, why?

Jim__

(14,347 posts)

6. "Georgia officials have provided little detail about what led them to target Gray ..."

Reply to LAS14 (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 03:58 PM

Sep 7

I don't think we know yet. From The Washington Post

The counts against Colin Gray — which include second-degree murder — are the most severe ever filed against the parent of an alleged school shooter, and the speed at which they were leveled — less than 36 hours after the last shot was fired — is without precedent.

Georgia officials have provided little detail about what led them to target Gray, beyond alleging that he “knowingly” allowed his son, Colt, to access the AR-15-style rifle that investigators say the teen used in his attack. A year ago, local police interviewed both of them about alleged online threats the teen had made to shoot up a school, accusations that Colt denied at the time. Gray told the investigators that he had “hunting guns” but that his son didn’t have “unsupervised access” to them.

underpants

(185,259 posts)

10. Whomever wrote that did some back flips there

Reply to Jim__ (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 04:35 PM

Sep 7

Georgia officials have provided little detail about what led them to target Gray, beyond alleging that he “knowingly” allowed his son, Colt, to access the AR-15-style rifle that investigators say the teen used in his attack

Mosby

(16,984 posts)

7. The answers will come out during discovery.

Reply to LAS14 (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 03:59 PM

Sep 7

Last edited Sat Sep 7, 2024, 07:37 PM - Edit history (1)

But I think the 2nd degree murder charges are a stretch.

It's the manslaughter charges that will stick.

Eta - my guess.

Response to Mosby (Reply #7)

Mysterian This message was self-deleted by its author.

Jack Valentino

(395 posts)

19. I tend to agree that the 2nd degree murder charges are a 'stretch',

Reply to Mosby (Reply #7)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 08:48 PM

Sep 7

but perhaps it is strategic over-reaching for the sake of plea-bargaining on lessor charges.

underpants

(185,259 posts)

11. I'll (sadly) guess.

Reply to LAS14 (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 04:58 PM

Sep 7

Two were killed immediately. Two did not die immediately. I saw a headline that students of one of the teachers used their Tshirt to try to stop bleeding.

dsc

(52,481 posts)

12. It might be this

Reply to LAS14 (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 06:08 PM

Sep 7

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2022/title-16/chapter-5/article-1/section-16-5-1/

A person commits the offense of murder in the second degree when, in the commission of cruelty to children in the second degree, he or she causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.

Two of the victims were minors and two weren't.

LAS14

(14,253 posts)

14. Aha! I bet you've got it. Thanks. nt

Reply to dsc (Reply #12)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 08:08 PM

Sep 7

Jack Valentino

(395 posts)

20. That's probably the one!

Reply to dsc (Reply #12)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 08:49 PM

Sep 7

Ilsa

(62,079 posts)

15. I can't wait to hear about how Ga officials are going to

Reply to LAS14 (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 08:14 PM

Sep 7

implement more mental health services and screenings when we don't have enough psychiatrists and psychologists available to provide those screenings.

My son's psychiatrist just stopped accepting Georgia Medicaid. Thankfully, they still accept Medicare, which he was switched to this year.

elocs

(22,967 posts)

16. Ahh, a clickbait headline. What could it be about? I must see...

Reply to LAS14 (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 08:36 PM

Sep 7

I guess it worked. You could do this for a living!

Jack Valentino

(395 posts)

17. I had that question myself. I read an article early today

Reply to LAS14 (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2024, 08:40 PM

Sep 7

which stated that the two charges for second degree murder against the father are for the two children who were murdered, but not the adults, because of other laws having to do with crimes against children----

Sorry I can't provide a more detailed explanation nor the source--- it was a story on a phone app, but I use a desktop for my web posting...

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