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grumpyduck

(6,573 posts)
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 06:05 PM Sep 7

Simple question about AR-15s.

Not to derail the other threads, and trying to keep the question as simple and straightforward as possible:

Do you believe AR-15s should be available for purchase by the general public?


65 votes, 6 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Yes, the general public should be able to buy them.
6 (9%)
No, the general public should not be able to buy them.
59 (91%)
No opinion
0 (0%)
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pat_k

(10,253 posts)
1. Owning any firearm should require both safety training certificate and license.
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 06:34 PM
Sep 7

There are about 16 million AR-15 owners in the US. There may be more than 40 million in circulation. The Washington Post surveyed 400 owners:
Paywall-free link:
https://wapo.st/3zmip4G

Of course, I'd like to see AK-style and AR-15-style semi-automatic weapons banned, but they are so popular I'm not sure the political will can be mustered for a national ban. What I would like to see more than anything is a focus on mandating federal licensing of all currently legal firearms.

I think mustering the political will for licensing is feasible with a concerted effort to do so, but it will require a massive, long-term campaign to combat the propaganda against licensing/certificates.

Licenses should require safety training and background checks and be limited to age 18 and up. In the UK. younger persons can carry a firearm with the following exceptions

If carrying on behalf of the certificate holder (who is aged 18 years or over) and for the certificate holders’ sporting purposes only
As part of an approved club or cadet corps
On a Miniature Rifle Range
Under the supervision of someone over 21 years old
When the shotgun is in a securely fastened gun cover so that it cannot be fired
Unless on private property with the permission of the land owner. It is an offence for someone under this exception to fire any missile beyond the boundary of the premises unless with permission of the adjacent landowner.


There is absolutely no rational justification for an unsupervised minor to be allowed to carry any firearm.








pat_k

(10,253 posts)
4. Absolutely.
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 06:48 PM
Sep 7

And a license should also be required to purchase ammunition for the licensed firearm with reasonable limits. For example, in the UK they have higher allowances for "pest control" or target shooters.

NickB79

(19,474 posts)
7. Insurance that covers what, exactly?
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 09:56 PM
Sep 7

Insurance policies don't pay out for criminal acts like someone shooting another person. Home insurance already covers injuries by an accidental discharge in your home or a hunting accident on your property, or stolen property if your gun is taken in a robbery.

What would a hypothetical new gun insurance policy cover?

Skittles

(156,940 posts)
10. gun humpers should pay more to cover the cost of gun carnage
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 10:17 PM
Sep 7

including medical bills that taxpayers pay for

NickB79

(19,474 posts)
11. Ok, but insurance doesn't accomplish that
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 11:00 PM
Sep 7

What you're proposing is a new federal tax on guns and ammo, not an insurance policy requirement.

grumpyduck

(6,573 posts)
3. Thank you.
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 06:41 PM
Sep 7

I thought about adding a "Depends on the situation" choice, but I figured it would just result in a huge debate about what those situations would be. As it is, choosing "Yes" actually covers special circumstances, as in yes the general public should be able to buy them but there may be special circumstances (permits/etc.) involved.

mitch96

(14,428 posts)
9. I think the automobile model would be good for starters... Training, license, insurance and renewal after a period. nt
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 10:14 PM
Sep 7

Kaleva

(37,582 posts)
5. Mass shooters would switch to the Ruger Mini-14 or AK-47 style guns
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 08:24 PM
Sep 7

IMO, the manufacture in this country or importation of semiautomatics, including shotguns and pistols, intended for sale to the public would be prohibited. Those guns already in possession of private citizens would be grandfathered in .Not going to happen though.

NickB79

(19,474 posts)
8. There are pump action AR-15's that wouldn't be covered by any Assault Weapons ban, BTW
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 10:01 PM
Sep 7

The Troy PR-15, for example.

And there are lever action AR's, like the Bond Arms LRVB.

Currently they don't sell much because semi-auto AR's are easily available, but they'd be sold by the millions once semi-auto AR's were banned.

The best way to address the issue is to tackle the easy access to high capacity magazines, IMO, along with universal background checks and red flag laws.

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