It’s more important just to show a side-by-side contrast to his crazy.

That way the moderators do not need to react to his lies unless they’re so blatant they have to. I hope these moderators have better questions than those Bash used that were mostly Republican propaganda points.

Several outlets did fact check online in real time. Of course things lagged behind a bit due to the sheer volume of lies but they showed it can be done. No reason ABC couldn't do it. It might not make a ton of difference but I think it would reach at least a few people who don't realize how bad he is. To see his statements debunked within a minute or two of his saying them is not something people are used to and I think it would have an impact.

I'd like to watch it on one of those.

I don't know if they did it on TV but the did online. Here's 2 links I found from the prior debate. Apparently Politifact was responsible for the fact checking that both of the used.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-cnns-biden-trump-debate

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2024/live-blog-fact-check-trump-biden-debate-cnn/

Fact checking in real time.

I support facts.

But she will whip him

like the 1st debate recently and the corporate media will pound VP Harris.

This time, the gloves will be off with Harris. Enough. Pres Biden deserved better.

I would have a CROOK with arrow sign in my pocket if I was Madame Vice President and hold it up any time he is speaking!

She should have a half-dozen "facts" on hand to put out during the debate. Each one of them should be used to prosecute him.

That is all that she needs. That is all the people are able to consume at one time, anyway.

is a third party verification. This takes it out of an "A vs. B" framework. And takes the load off of Harris.
The network is playing the horse race game, not the Truth vs lies game..

We all know that you no longer engage in journalism and have collectively decided to just do propaganda because it easier.
That and the corporate masters have an agenda.

All he has to do is show up.

ABC has gone all in on promotions and investment in the event and there’s no way in Hell they are going to pull the plug or even make the tiniest of waves.

This is why having commercial entities claiming to host debates is a sick joke. Rules? There are no rules, except what the debaters make up on the fly.

lives down to its name

Equivocate not Educate

The media has failed us. Fuck them.

Since I'll be watching that outlet and not the ABC feed (which I don't have access to anyway), the fact-checking will not be in real-time.

Besides, given time constraints, attempting to fact-check Trump and his firehose of bullshit in real time would be nearly impossible. If ABC does its due-diligence and DOES do an honest post-debate fact-check/analysis, I would be pleasantly surprised.

This debate will be a shitshow no matter what because you have one candidate committed to talking policy (and, hopefully, enough time for *some* real-time fact-checking of her opponent) and the other committed to talking crazy bullshit, obvious lies and ad-hominem attacks.

The debate is a lose-lose proposition for the VP, but demanded by a small part of the electorate (the "undecideds" who can't be bothered to pay attention to the Trump danger vortex) because "they don't know enough about VP Harris to make a decision."

Just hit the LIE BUTTON!! (red light will come on?

some allowable way to signal LIE! so she doesn't consume her time fact-checking.
That tripped up Biden with the firehose of lies.

If ABC tries to stop her, then she should tell them to do their job.

Shit, give debates back to League Of Women Voters, not the wholly-owned entertainment industry.

Of her response time. Then on to the next LIE!

do you have a more specific link?

try this: and just type in ABC and the rest what I have in my post.

https://www.care2.com/

found it
https://www.thepetitionsite.com/849/212/456/abc-now-says-it-wont-commit-to-fact-checking-trump-in-debate.-tell-them-they-must./

As she answers her questions, she will let the American people know that what they just heard was a LIE!

Then she should scold in a way, that ABC is failing in their jobs as journalists.

Boycotts do work if people participate.
It worked for the repug boycott of Bud Light. Two of our best weapons as citizens are our votes and, our consumer spending dollars.

Well, I didn't need much of an excuse not to watch it anyway.

And this is a good one!

There is zero commitment to truth in the MSM. Every now and then a truth comes out but only the truths that are MAGA approved.

Because they will ONLY help the right and hurt the left.

And FACTS don't matter.

Look at Biden/Trump debate. Biden stutters his way through the truth and Smelvis coasted his ways through lies.

They called out Biden for the missteps and let Trump get away with lying his ass off.

In fact, they held the left accountable for the right's lies.

It will only be the same, or worse tonight.

not only do they love the crazy (ratings), but they want the tax breaks. There are like 5 or 6 large media companies that own everything & those owners are billionaires. The one thing he promised & delivered with his last presidency was big tax cuts for the uber rich and they have good memories.

A simple deflection, followed by an actual statement of what her party's position is and how she intends to solve the problem.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

By the end of the debate the voters will see a very clear and obvious difference between the candidates.

...it is up to Democrats to fight fascism.

Notice how it's never anyone's responsibility to fight these bastards except Democrats and liberals, and then when we argue the Senate must be changed, the electoral college must be ended, the gerrymandering, voter suppression and corporate media conglomerates must be stopped - no one steps up to assist us.

Then, those same opportunists pound us Democrats and liberals for not doing enough, or not being tough enough and pile on us too.

You see if our backs our turned, and MAGA stabs us in the back, it's our fault for not having eyes in our backs. Phuck that.

I think Kamala questioning the moderators once or twice is a good idea, but I wouldn't make it her mission during the debate. I think that will backfire on her. But I do think she should once or twice.

What I hope she does is attack the Deadbeat by targeting the root of his narcissism. His father & mother, his dead brother Fred Jr., his failed businesses and crowd sizes. Yes crowd sizes. Sigh.

We are getting help from Never Trumpers which matters, so KUDOS to them. I never thought I'd admire Dick Cheney in any way, but I do. Liz Cheney too, and the rest of them, but after those patriots, we get nothing. Nothing.

MAGA and the "Good Christians" have enormous power due to the system being heavily tilted in their favor, but it is what it is.

Thank you Vice President Harris for agreeing to fight fascist MAGA Weirdos. They are risking their lives for us and I will never forget what they're doing to try and save our democracy and Americans.

The felons been using "The Roy Cohn Method" his whole life. Flood the space, whatever the space may be, with shit and then object to any rebuttals to the shit with more shit no matter how absurd. He doesn't throw shit at the wall to see what sticks, he throw's so much shit at the wall you can't see the wall. That's The Roy Cohn Method. He doesn't just get his court cases delayed, he objects, motions, appeals everything from the law to the temperature of the room so a case takes decades. That's The Roy Cohn Method.

The only way to fight it and win is perseverance.

unscrupulous POS he was. He took the felon under his wing. The felon is just that a criminal thug that was mentored by another criminal thug. I learned something from your post.

Rapid fire lies cannot be controlled.

This will be the Liar vs. the Lawman.

By that I mean - he tells a lie, the media researches its history its origin. He just repeats some form of nonsense already out there in their world. He has no original ideas.

Basically show how this works.
Someone finds one line of a bill or some obscure story.
They twist it into their narrative/conspiracy theory.
It gets repeated and reposted on social media.
The more famous RW influencers/personalities add in their own exaggeration or extrapolation which the next poster takes and does the same.
At some point this becomes their known known.

It’s a twisted attention seeking fan-the-outrage game of Telephone that we played as kids.

a few." She'll do well.

I don't understand why they don't put up a website and fact check him in real time. Give out the website during the debate and admonish the media for not doing their job. This would free up all your debate minutes to respond about policy and not waste your time on his lies. This should have been done years ago.

Lies unchallenged are lies accepted.

That's the other half. I would be happy to be wrong.

just as they have done since St. Ronny

Of course they won't fact check. They'll accept all the bullshit that spews from Trump and thank him for it. What else is new.

They have neither the courage or integrity to see that the audience gets a modicum of truth.

Harris will do fine but I predict a shitshow of lies, and even worse, complete misrepresentations of Trump's actual plans and positions.

I’d insist on fact checking both.

If one side can lie their head off on national television and not get fact checked, I’d just say “not with me, you don’t,” and call it off.

Trump: “I discovered DNA, electricity and antibiotics. And I invented the wheel.”

ABC: “Alright, the next question goes to Vice-President Harris…..”

That is how I take that statement.

And by “fact check” Harris, I mean they will challenge her on her answers, right or wrong but they will not challenge Trump’s statements at all

Tells you all you need to know.

Kamala is going to carve him up like a turkey, as long as they don't interfere with that it will be O.K.

Put it to him Like Rachel Scott from ABC at the NABJ appearance. First question.

"Scott asked about several instances where Trump said racist things, from falsely insisting Barack Obama wasn’t born in America to calling Black journalists losers and racist. Trump’s response was a torrent of barely connected ideas, including a complaint that NABJ brought him to Chicago under “false pretenses” because they didn’t work out details to get Vice President Kamala Harris to make a similar, in-person appearance at the convention."

Put him on that racist back foot right off the bat. Just repeat Scott's question.

Fuck them and the rest of the M$M who have no problem tossing the keys to the drunk criminal rapist.

They're afraid, lazy, or a combination of both. What they aren't is journalists.

and showing how it is not that difficult to do. It's almost criminal that ABC (and CNN before) to refuse to do even the most basic level of fact checking.

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2024/yes-debate-moderators-should-fact-check-the-presidential-candidates-cnn-donatd-trump-joe-biden/

(A snippet of the article below)

Clearly, the presidential debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump in June was one of the most consequential in presidential history. It directly resulted in Biden’s departure from the race and the ascendance of Kamala Harris to the Democratic nomination.

But it had another notable feature: a noticeable lack of fact-checking.

While Biden meandered and wandered, saying things that either didn’t make sense or were hard to follow, Trump turned to his very long regular playlist of falsehoods about the economy, abortion, immigration and election fraud. CNN’s Jake Tapper and Dana Bash didn’t fact-check either one, giving a simple “thank you” to each answer and moving on to the next question. It was a purposeful laying back and letting the candidates say whatever they wanted.

You can argue, and CNN did, that a passive approach keeps the moderators out of the story and allows the candidates to reveal themselves. But it’s also an approach criticized — rightfully so — for leaving the voting public in the dark. In the high-stakes race for the presidency, many voters are just tuning in and not well-versed in current political messaging. They won’t necessarily know what’s true and what’s false without getting at least a few cues from journalist moderators.

...

or they changed their minds