So, a Tesla truck for me and my Trump flag

i think even a lot of tesla owners (myself included) will flip you off.

the only folks i know that have them are compensating for something.

your hairdresser, your doctor, dentist or other drive any Ford products?????
Racist, bigot, Nazi loving “Fords”
https://www.history.com/news/henry-ford-antisemitism-worker-treatment

He loves the cars but hates Elon Musk. He would not buy another Tesla.
I am thinking of getting him one of those bumper stickers that says " I bought this before I knew what an asshole he is."

If Tesla was the best option for me I would consider it, but they are no longer the best EVs and they are falling further behind every year.

Musk is an asshole.

Every write up of their wheeled products say quality is dismal. Except for the design (until the cyberthingy) and power there is actually very little positive about it. Then you add Musk. Tesla (except the cyberthingy) was not his idea. He bought it and hasn't moved it forward.

The Model Y was the best selling car in the world last year. Tesla also dominates with charging.

Everyone has their own criteria.

I looked at the Model Y and went with a VW instead. Zero regrets - the ID.4 was "best" for my needs.

Charging was a consideration, particularly back in 2021 when I bought it. But I've done multiple 1000+ mile road trips in the VW with no major issues. Charging is much better these days and continuing to improve. Now that Tesla is opening their chargers to others, the only reason to buy a Tesla today is because you like the car (and the company) itself.

I liked my Ioniq until I found out it was a lemon (overall it was a decent car but a lot of design issues). I’m guessing Teslas design issues are fairly limited at this point if not non existent entirely?

or maybe just die of a heart attack I'd think about reconsidering. He's poisoned what shouldn't be a bad company.

then *maybe* I'd consider buying one

But now, never.

… a Tesla USED to be my dream car. I wouldn’t buy a Tesla now in a million years.

They may or may not be good vehicles but I won’t support Musk.

Nary a week goes bye when a Tesla bashing OP appears.
Please don’t be mean to me. Just sayin.

There was a time he landed two rockets in graceful synchronicity -- and the world said "Wow"!

Those days are gone.

Yeah, just like TSF his mental health is degrading, it won't be pretty when he'll be the same age.

i understand the loathing of musk. the a high fiber diet will generate a better entity than he will ever be. but...

dammit, the cars are damned good cars. i came very close to not buying my model Y for the "i hate elon" reason but in the end, it was the best EV that i tested. okay, i liked the model 3 better but i couldn't give up the hatch after 20 years with my prius.

if you want an EV and can't get past musk, i can highly recommend hyundai or kia. of the vehicles i test drove, the ioniq 6 and EV6 were damned good choices. (wasn't a fan of the ford mustang; VW wasn't doing test drives; and chevy discontinued the bolt and the equinox wasn't available at the time.)

however, if you're going to be a purist against CEOs, don't buy petrol (koch industries), attend events at any number of venues (e.g., sports teams). don't buy building materials (home depot and menards are the options where i live in madison). don't go out to eat at (just about) any chain restaurant.

if my ownership of a tesla is a disownable offense, then disown me now. it won't stop me voting from harris/walz; it won't make me any less of a liberal, but the hypocrisy will be disappointing.

of my sister was given a Tesla lease as part of his compensation. They did not want to take it, but a free car is a free car. They wanted to hate it but despite their initial misgivings they really, really like it.

Now I just need to find an "I bought this before I knew how horrible he was" bumper sticker.

I got my Tesla in the Spring and love it. Zero regrets. Say what you want about Elon, but he's the only one in the world who has ever convinced Trumpers to buy EV's.

But of course giving that asshole a penny is not something that sits easily with me.

I ultimately went with a new Tesla, because of range. I don't have a home charger. I charge at Tesla charging stations every 12-15 days.

It is certainly not a practical vehicle if longer range is a concern. My commute uses about 25% of the capacity each day, and I can easily trickle charge that amount each night on 110v.

"Sorry. I bought it before he became an asshole"

Elon's stupidity aside, the design of the cars just doesn't appeal to me. I considered a Model Y a few years ago and there too many things I didn't like, from the body style to the seats. Biggest one was the user interface, I simply don't want everything on one screen.

Got a VW ID.4 instead and I love it. Really nice vehicle and a good replacement for my RAV4 EV.

Been at the dealer under warranty getting fixed for about 3 and a half months so far. Will be hopefully getting rid of it when it’s fixed, but starting to ponder replacement ideas (replacement won’t happen for 2 years).

My wife likes the look of the Subaru EV too… 🤔

Range is a bit less than the competition, and fast charging speeds are on the lower side. If you charge at home it would be a great city car, but might suffer on road trips.

Lots of options out there, shop and do the research.

Now I'm on the "hell fucking no" list. If I buy an electric car, it will definitely not be from Tesla!

because Elon.

If Neuralink actually works and becomes viable and available ...

Would you deny a family member this ... because.

Elon.

You can get an EV with a 300+ mile range for under $40K. GM has a Equinox that'll come in for less than $30K after incentives. And EV batteries now have a long enough life to outlast the car itself.

The bigger issue is charging. We don't have nearly enough public charging, but that is changing quickly.

the supercharger network.

i know other EVs are starting to get access to the supercharger network but i don't see that for 2-3 years for wide adoption. my car (a 2005 2nd generation prius with almost 250k miles on it, purchased by me in late 2004).

other networks are not nearly as reliable. for the heck of it, i've tried a few different ones around madison and there are too many hurdles.

tesla:
* pull in
* pull out the charger
* point and push a button
* charge

10 seconds. no issues.

From MIT ?
In October 2023, Toyota and Idemitsu Kosan announced a partnership to develop solid-state batteries for EVs. The companies aim to establish a robust supply chain and mass produce commercial solid-state EV batteries as early as 2027. They should hold charges 67 percent longer.

Of course, if one waits for the perfect car and battery, they might be to old to drive.

It could happen in three years, could happen later. If it does happen, it will probably be expensive at first. And, as with a lot of new technology, there may be hiccups in the first versions.

But today, even current battery technology will probably outlast the car:

New study finds “vast majority” of EV batteries will outlast the vehicle
https://thedriven.io/2024/09/19/new-study-finds-vast-majority-of-ev-batteries-will-outlast-the-vehicle/

Thanks.

It was an Uber, if you can believe that.

I was an early adopter of hybrids and have had various kinds since 2005. When we finally move to a house with enough juice for a charging station, I will probably upgrade to either a plugin hybrid or full electric. But I'm absolutely allergic to putting money in Elon's pocket, so whatever car it is, it won't be Tesla.

I want to let the dust settle a bit more on the Prologue, but I'm a diehard Honda fan, so it's definitely something I'm watching. My first Accord Hybrid saved my life in a nasty crash I walked away from with nary a scratch, so when the other driver's insurance paid up, I immediately got another. The one I'm driving now is its replacement.

I love the Volvos, but if the Prologue's next year or two are good, I'll probably get one of those.

All electric. Those might be top on my list in the future. The Prologue also looks amazing!

Musk is as vile as Trump.

And do you see this as a forever decision, or just in terms of the current state of electric cars?

I can go nearly 600 miles now on a fill up. Give me that much range and the criteria I listed, and I might change my mind

Especially between those who drive in the city, and more rural folks. I find the current selections probably convenient for short distances, but if you need a car for road trips or long distances just to the grocery store, I can understand how there doesn’t seem to be as much viability in even the longer range cars.

I have no intention of every buying one or making Musk richer. I have a 2007 Honda CR-V which has been great for 17 years. At some point, I'll need to replace it and I'm looking at either an electric or hybrid SUV. I figure it might be another 3 - 4 years before I serious consider a new vehicle and hopefully by then battery range will increase significantly.

The fleet where I work has a couple different types so I've had a chance to try them out and compare. I really like BMW i3(?).

Not sure if I can ever afford one, but maybe a used one in ten or fifteen years whenever my current car gives up the ghost.

Second pick would be a Toyota, which all my previous cars have been.

because my husband wanted to try it for commuting. He seems to like it a lot. We have a charging station at home, and there is one in his work parking lot. There will need to be a lot more infrastructure for them to be really accepted, though. I would probably try a hybrid first for myself, but I wouldn't be opposed to owning another ev.

At one time, yes. No way today!

Besides, at the moment, I'm doing great with my 2019 Chevy Volt (last model year for the Volt), which functions as if it were a purely electric car 95% of the time for me, but also allows me great driving range by burning gasoline if necessary.

By time I want to buy another new car there will probably be many great non-Tesla options.

I do too much driving in remote areas with few or no charging stations.

Some plug-ins will run off the electric motor for quite a few miles, most of my local trips would be gas-free

I'm waiting on my solar electric Aptera.

Fuck Musk.

It's like trying NOT to do business with Comcast but you have to because they're the only broadband provider in town.

BTW, GM is introducing an adapter so their electrics can use the Tesla charging station.

Maybe I'd buy a hybrid, but I can't really afford that since I just had to redo my roof, chimney and gutters.

every time that apartheid loving Leon comes to mind, I can't help but think of Speaker Pelosi's husband getting clobbered to his liking, and he has never issued an apology that I've ever heard to Paul Pelosi.

So, no, I would not buy a Tesla.

I'm not saying I would or wouldn't buy a Tesla - I've done no research on what EV I'm going to buy in the next two or so years. Some of my friends have them and like them.

But I don't care what the CEO of the company says. I want to know what the logistics of the car are. Reliability, affordability of repair, performance, how enjoyable it is to drive, longevity, etc.

My politics don't run my entire life and every choice I make in it. What an exhausting way to live.

Overall reliability at 48 (out of 100). I'm not quite sure how the calculate that, because all their listed models are lower than that.

We just bougt a Subaru Crosstrek, rated at 99. I much prefer something reliable. In general, electic and hybrid cars (especially plug-in) are worse on reliability. So I'm not going to pay more for an inferior product.

and I wouldn't buy a Tesla now. That said, I can't say I'd never buy one, just like I'd consider a Porsche today, 60 years later. Put Elon out on the curb, sort out some of your engineering/design flaws, build a better SUV (think 4Runner, Wrangler, Bronco) and I'd happily consider it. Someday.

I probably wouldn't ever buy one even with progressive ownership. There are all kinds of new models made by established companies and some new start-ups. You can buy some nice EVs cheaper or comparable to what a Tesla costs.

Just drove cross-country in a Model X with no problems finding Superchargers or destination charging. It is a comfortable long-distance driving machine.

Lots of people are claiming there are other superior EVs, but I'm not seeing it.

Consumer Reports has been backpedaling on Tesla model ratings ever since they got roasted a few years back by awarding the Model S 103 overall points.

They don’t meet my needs - I like using back roads that don’t get enough traffic to justify installing charging stations.