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Frank D. Lincoln

(644 posts)
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 04:32 AM Sep 29

Which do you trust more: Polls or Allan Lichtman's Keys?

Me? I trust Allan Lichtman, the American University historian who's been called the "Nostradamus of presidential election predictions," because of his near-perfect 40-year track record.

[https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219428373|

The confidence is rooted in Mr. Lichtman’s simple, history-driven model, which tunes out polls and pollsters and instead focuses on 13 true-or-false questions that he says hold the “keys” to the White House.


Allan Lichtman predicts Kamala Harris is going to win.

GOTV.






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I trust the polls more than Allan Lichtman's Keys.
3 (6%)
I trust Allan Lichtman's Keys more than the polls.
19 (36%)
I trust neither.
30 (57%)
I don't know.
0 (0%)
Other.
1 (2%)
No answer.
0 (0%)
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Which do you trust more: Polls or Allan Lichtman's Keys? (Original Post) Frank D. Lincoln Sep 29 OP
We need another poll similiar to this sky_masterson Sep 29 #1
I voted other because I believe displacedvermoter Sep 29 #2
Neither, they are both political entertainment... getagrip_already Sep 29 #3
I like following the betting markets Poiuyt Sep 29 #4
I agree. Scruffy1 Sep 29 #6
Some markets had Trump at 90% on election day. They predicted a GOP wave in 2022. TwilightZone Sep 29 #7
The keys ClimateHawk Sep 29 #5
Lichtman. tavernier Sep 29 #8
This. Al Gore won, when the votes got counted. The Supreme Court had no business interfering. Bastards all. mucholderthandirt Sep 29 #10
RSO rso Sep 29 #9
That does make me feel more confident Frank D. Lincoln Sep 29 #11
There are other countries that are hell bent on turning the foreign policy / military keys ecstatic Sep 29 #12
His keys are often wrong if you count the popular vote Quixote1818 Sep 29 #13

sky_masterson

(568 posts)
1. We need another poll similiar to this
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 06:26 AM
Sep 29

What Political election theories do you get behind?
Rachel Bitecoffer
Alan Lichtman
Nate Silver
To me Bitecoffer is the one i put most behind.
Lichtmens Keys are subjective to me.

getagrip_already

(17,528 posts)
3. Neither, they are both political entertainment...
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 07:18 AM
Sep 29

They are designed to make money for the authors and buyers. They are used as the currency of the media.

Neither is scientific nor statistically defensible.

Scruffy1

(3,420 posts)
6. I agree.
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 07:58 AM
Sep 29

Just because someone has been in the past really has no bearing. If you flip a coin and it comes up heads six times in a row it is still 50-50 on the next flip. A real tell is the use of the term "Nostrodamus" who wrote silly vague crap. Bookmakers are very realistic and only care about making money. The problem with polls is the "likely voter" classification. No one knows who will turn up on election day. Of course, the booky thing is just based on how the money is going like pari-mutual betting so it doesn't include non gamblers. What we do know that a good candidate will find a way to win especially in a close race and the way to do it is through enthusiasm thst drives people to vote.

TwilightZone

(28,834 posts)
7. Some markets had Trump at 90% on election day. They predicted a GOP wave in 2022.
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 08:50 AM
Sep 29

They basically just swing with the news. They aren't any more predictive than anything else (in some cases, they're decidedly worse).

https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2022/11/16/how-good-are-election-prediction-markets/

mucholderthandirt

(1,201 posts)
10. This. Al Gore won, when the votes got counted. The Supreme Court had no business interfering. Bastards all.
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 12:43 PM
Sep 29

If Lichtman has been so right in the past, the odds are he's right this time, too. If the MSM bobbleheads weren't corporate lackeys, Harris would have a twenty point lead and Trump would truly be the laughing stock of the world, instead of coddled and excused.

Frank D. Lincoln

(644 posts)
11. That does make me feel more confident
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 03:49 PM
Sep 29

but not to the point of complacency.

I know we still have to GOTV on a massive scale.

ecstatic

(34,504 posts)
12. There are other countries that are hell bent on turning the foreign policy / military keys
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 05:26 PM
Sep 29

So I don't know.

Also, we now have a lot of people fucked up due to the storms.

Quixote1818

(30,428 posts)
13. His keys are often wrong if you count the popular vote
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 05:43 PM
Sep 29

I think he's onto something with voter trends near election day but the electoral college makes his keys almost irrelevant. What if Texas had been a blue state in 2016? Trump would have lost. Subtle shifts in voter trends in current swing states could ruin his predictions. He's been lucky several swing states have worked in his favor as the popular vote has shifted to the left.

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