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(( no longer want to protect Jewish targets))

Anti[-Semitic Assholes aren't doing their job.

Considering their betrayal of Anne Frank and countless others.

This is unacceptable and antisemitism.

The conflict in the Middle East is being used for cover. The truth is that officers refusing to protect Jewish targets and events hate Jews. They are antisemites.
Jew hatred needs to be called out for what it is.

I’m done with antisemites gaslighting me. Fuck them.

Fuck them all!

of Jews have a problem defending folks who now support war crimes, genocide and international law.
Palestinians also have rights as do folks in Lebanon.

If I were to play the same game against Muslims for the active crimes of Assad in Syria, the crimes in the Sudan, in Yemen. Oh and the Chinese because of the Uyghur’s, then we could also justify blowing off the Muslims and the Chinese. I could go on and on… Maybe we should just decide that no human is worthy of defending since so so many humans are guilty of crimes and immorality, at least by your reasoning.

But it seems it is about Jews

aren't Doing their jobs. Fuck them And the GD Terrorists Hamas, Hezbollah, & Iran!

No GD Excuses. for Anti-Semitism..

ETA~ There is no "genocide" no matter how many false accusations..

Should I hold all Muslims responsible in the US for the Taliban?

Because they are in the Netherlands.

Jew haters should at least try to keep their stories straight.

I thought we worked against prejudice (prejudging) on DU and in the Democratic Party.

Do you agree with the officers? Would you rather see the jews undefended and attacked?

How utterly disgusting. That is all.

We're talking about Jews, European Jews - not Israel. They're talking about guarding things like the Holocaust Museum.

And you've condemned a race of people based on your ideology.

If this were any other ethnic group, I have a hard time believing it would be allowed to sit on DU so nakedly as this.

When an ideology starts excusing and apologizing for racism, it's a trash ideology.

You know, Jamaica is incredibly homophobic. Notoriously so. Should I, as a gay man, transfer my antipathy for that to Jamaican-Americans? Should I tell them, "I don't feel like being nice to you. Sorry. What happens to LGBT individuals in Jamaica sucks, and my behavior towards you should reflect that."

Of course not. That would be xenophobic and racist as fuck.

Do better. This isn't liberal, progressive, or Democratic.

It's just racist.

Edit: And for those that want to defend the poster's sentiment. Were you also onboard with the treatment of Japanese and German Americans during WWII because of what those countries did? Last I checked, we apologized for that - and paid out - and it's generally regarded as a stain on our history.

Well, here's a new stain in the same vein. Gonna let that sit there and seep in?

That this gentile is absolutely sickened by the antisemitism allowed to stand on this thread and this forum due to the inexplicable popularity of certain offenders. Unfortunately my alerts have not resulted in hides. Utterly revolting. Please keep fighting the good fight. Your posts are a rare breath of fresh air.

My family are Irish Catholic sorts.

But I am a gay man, and I know Jews are frequently the canary in the racism coal mine. As soon as people become comfortable in polite company to start expressing (and behaving with) bigotry towards them, my community is often right behind.

It is gobsmacking how this antipathy towards Jews - not Israel, but Jews - is allowed as openly as it has been in this space.

I just don't see how anyone who is a Democrat can watch these deeply, deeply racist sentiments - no matter how poorly they're cloaked - and think, "This is fine. Yes. I want this thinking in my political space. We should be welcoming of this viewpoint."

People often like to boast, "If I were in Germany in the 1930s, I would have never gone along with . . ."

Well, it's America 2024 and they're not managing even the simplest push back. And that's with the hindsight of not that distant history. Given this, I don't think they'd fare any better in the 1930s. Some of them would probably be the ones reporting neighbors for their, uh, Zionism.

It's infuriating that outright racism and antisemitism is allowed here.

Let's mutate it a bit....

American police refuse to protect LGBT spaces (after months of threats) because of a "moral dilemma"? How about Pharmacists refuse to fill prescribed medication (birth control) to unmarried women because of a "moral dilemma"? Or, police refuse to protect mosques because of a "moral dilemma"?

I doubt there would be a SINLGE response in support for it or a single response DEFENDING the position of the police/pharmacists, much less 11 recommendations. And yet, here we are....

of supporting war crimes and genocide and (something about) international law?

And btw, WWII was not fought in defense of Jews. The Jews weren’t even part of the equation. If they were then 2/3 of the European Jewish population would not have perished in the Holocaust. With very few exceptions, Europe didn’t give a shit about the Jews. In fact there was massive collaboration with the Nazis in helping to get rid of them.

And btw again, it is very obvious that some people have no clue what constitutes genocide. It is now a convenient buzzword to foment hatred by those who don’t like Jews.

anti-Semitism. Nothing you write changes that for me.

I am anti-Fascist and anti-Zionist.
That is all.

what is your view of his position?

And I think you're well aware of it, since you're so unapologetic about blanketing Jews in general while expressing approval of Hamas, the Houthi, and Hezbollah.

And anyone for the destruction of the Israeli state is antisemitic. Full stop. History shows Jews without a homeland are routinely exiled, persecuted, and oppressed.

Wishing for an end to Israel is wishing for an antisemitic status quo that had gone on for centuries.

Which I think is also known.

Feature. Not a bug.

I know that won’t change, it has been made pellucidly clear.

Justifying the targeting of Dutch Jews solely because they are Jewish is anti-Semitism. Full stop. No excuses. Own it.

That is all.

Is disappointing.

Some posters are sacred cows and can get away with posting the most offensive stuff...other's...guess they haven't 'paid' their dues...(quite literally)...

Money talks - even on a left leaning website where capitalism is the proverbial boogeyman, if you pay the dues, you can spout racist, xenophobic stuff all day with no repercussions. The hypocrisy here is staggering at times...

Eleven recommendations for this post?

Do I really need to say, here on DU, that not all Jews support the Israeli government actions and not all people who support the Israeli government actions are Jewish? You have complained about collective punishment and guilt by association in regards to the Palestinians. Yet here you are using the exact same logic.

You can't judge the group by the individual, and you can't judge the individual by the group. To do so is the essence of bigotry, and you have just expressed a bigoted point of view. That is unacceptable.

The Dutch did not do much fighting in the war and they certainly were not fighting "in defense of Jews."

Many of those parents and grandparents you refer to were Dutch Nazis or Nazi collaborators. The Dutch have kept much of the information about that hidden for decades. Here is Dutch author Sytze van der Zee, former editor of Het Parool newspaper, making the case for keeping the records about Dutch collaboration with the Nazis secret:

100,000 were members of the Dutch Nazi party during the war. 51,000 Dutch citizens received prison sentences after the war for collaborating with the Nazis.


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/25/arts/dutch-files-accused-nazi-collaborators.html

. . . that is a deplorable post.

It is so depressing. Everyone is letting their worst inhibitions come out.

This has nothing to do with Netanyahu or Gaza.

I've recently watched a doco about Anton Mussert. Executed in 1946 and deserved it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Mussert

racism, and bigotry, there is no excuse for anti Semitism and threats to Jews and synagogues, not in the Netherlands, not in America, not elsewhere.

Nor should ordinary people be held culpable for the actions of despotic leaders, whoever they may be.

There are ways to protest and show disapproval of such, other than putting a people in harm's way.

Where they helped to save many Jews during WW2. Being of 96.9% Dutch descent, I take this personally.

I’ll never understand.

The first recorded anti-Jewish riots took place in Alexandria in the year 38 CE, followed by the more known riot of 66 CE. Other notable events took place in Europe during the Middle Ages. Jewish communities were targeted in 1189 and 1190 in England and throughout Europe during the Crusades and the Black Death of 1348–1350, including in Toulon, Erfurt, Basel, Aragon, Flanders[31][32] and Strasbourg.[33]
Some 510 Jewish communities were destroyed during this period,[34] extending further to the Brussels massacre of 1370. On Holy Saturday of 1389, a pogrom began in Prague that led to the burning of the Jewish quarter, the killing of many Jews, and the suicide of many Jews trapped in the main synagogue; the number of dead was estimated at 400–500 men, women and children.[35] Attacks against Jews also took place in Barcelona and other Spanish cities during the massacre of 1391.

The brutal murders of Jews and Poles occurred during the Khmelnytsky Uprising of 1648–1657 in present-day Ukraine.[36] Modern historians give estimates of the scale of the murders by Khmelnytsky's Cossacks ranging between 40,000 and 100,000 men, women and children, or perhaps many more.

The outbreak of violence against Jews (Hep-Hep riots) occurred at the beginning of the 19th century in reaction to Jewish emancipation in the German Confederation

In the early 20th century, pogroms broke out elsewhere in the world as well. In 1904 in Ireland, the Limerick boycott caused several Jewish families to leave the town. During the 1911 Tredegar riot in Wales, Jewish homes and businesses were looted and burned over a period of a week, before the British Army was called in by the then-Home Secretary Winston Churchill, who described the riot as a "pogrom"

In the worst incident of anti-Jewish violence in Britain during the interwar period, the "Pogrom of Mile End", that occurred in 1936, 200 Blackshirt youths ran amok in Stepney in the East End of London, smashing the windows of Jewish shops and homes and throwing an elderly man and young girl through a window. Though less serious, attacks on Jews were also reported in Manchester and Leeds in the north of England.

And all that's with out even going into Germany's Final Solution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom

are the younger Dutch officers of Arab background?

There are hundreds of thousands of Arab immigrants in Holland. I’m sure plenty if the younger generation have become cops as well as other professions with responsibility. I know one, an Algerian, maybe 50, who works with an Israeli private security service based in Amsterdam. Well-read, fluent in at least Arabic, French, Dutch and English, coolest guy you could want to meet. He is Muslim, but despises the Islamists, much as true Christians disdain the Evangelicals. He is definitely NOT typical of Muslim immigrants in NL. But he is not unique, either. You have to figure that any country with evil religious fanatics will have attracted some of them into their own military and law enforcement. The USA is hardly immune to that.

shouldn't mean that they don't protect sites.
Bah!

The Dutch resistance spirited newborn Flip Delmonte away after his parents were detained by Nazi occupiers of the Netherlands in World War II.

They were among 102,000 Jews deported from the Netherlands and murdered in Nazi death camps. Delmonte’s mother was killed as soon as she arrived at Auschwitz while his father, “a strong man,” was worked to death.

On Tuesday, the 80-year-old Delmonte attended the official preview of the Netherlands’ National Holocaust Museum, pointing proudly at a picture he donated of himself after the war.

“The Jewish people were murdered. There are people, children who survived and we cannot forget them. They must be remembered also in the future,” Delmonte said.

The museum will be officially opened Sunday by Dutch King Willem-Alexander. It tells the story, in video footage, photos, scale models and mementos, of Dutch victims of the Holocaust.
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Also, something which has apparently never gone out of style, is blaming JEWS for anti-Semitism, including anti-Semitism directed against them. It is just another form of anti-Semitism that goes underrecognized and overused. The police's refusal is just another example of those who think "Jews are NOT real citizens of....The Netherlands, Sweden, the UK, Ireland, Spain, Russia, Argentina, Brazil, Australia, China, Japan, Canada, the United States...they are just Jews."

It must be quite tiresome having to constantly educate people about how Anti Semitism manifests - and how insidious it is.

Second:

I wish I had read this before reaching out to Admin this morning.

Yes, it is very tiresome, but it has to be done. I know that you understand on multiple levels. Thank you for your support!

https://theliberaltomwatson.substack.com/p/a-time-for-choosing

Do these people know nothing of history?

may be off 180 degrees...

. . . Deplorable.