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Girard442

(6,429 posts)
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:10 PM Oct 5

Can anyone even imagine what it would be like to turn 10 million people into desperate fugitives in an instant?

And then to set the cops and the military on them? And then to herd them into camps?

Actually, you don't have to imagine. It's all there in the history books.

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Can anyone even imagine what it would be like to turn 10 million people into desperate fugitives in an instant? (Original Post) Girard442 Oct 5 OP
Well, that happened recently, in Pakistan, orthoclad Oct 5 #1
You know, I saw something interesting regarding this... MLF1981 Oct 5 #9
I suspect that quite a few of them orthoclad Oct 5 #20
There's no guarantee that they would get much help from local police departments... Jack Valentino Oct 5 #2
He's going to deputize the Tickle Oct 5 #5
In his wet dreams... Jack Valentino Oct 5 #6
I haven't a clue Tickle Oct 5 #7
We don't have facilities for 10 million people. Voltaire2 Oct 5 #3
They need to figure this out, and vote against the motherfucker! Jack Valentino Oct 5 #8
"Big government" Mz Pip Oct 5 #13
What about those who apply for asylum and are denied? MichMan Oct 5 #31
the problem would start just finding them-- you'd have to search every home, every place, terrorize Latino communities LymphocyteLover Oct 5 #4
I don't think the MAGAts get it that they''ll have to carry proof of citizenship everywhere they go... Girard442 Oct 5 #12
Some of them, at least, believe their skin color is their papers. orthoclad Oct 5 #22
oh they are definitely in denial-- especially the MAGAts of color LymphocyteLover Oct 5 #28
My mother in law was Viennese. She said many people believed the Germans would never, could never... Hekate Oct 5 #16
Yes, I agree it could happen. But a lot more would have to happen here, like the total collapse of LymphocyteLover Oct 5 #29
Yes, and it would make Putin a very happy little tryant to beat us that way. Attilatheblond Oct 5 #10
Which history books? former9thward Oct 5 #11
Obviously, my mind goes to 1930's Europe. Girard442 Oct 5 #17
I understand but in none of those cases were millions instantly fugitives. former9thward Oct 5 #25
THIS malaise Oct 5 #14
Ask the Jews of Europe Hekate Oct 5 #15
There are many who labour under the B.See Oct 5 #18
Surprises me that several in this thread believe police officers & sheriff's deputies would not participate Hekate Oct 5 #21
Exactly. And that's here and now. B.See Oct 5 #26
Ask the Native Americans in Oklahoma whose ancestors survived the Trail of Tears wnylib Oct 5 #23
10?? more. WarGamer Oct 5 #19
Is this in reference to something that's specifically being planned? LeftInTX Oct 5 #24
Yes, it's a harebrained scheme, but Trump has spoken of it several times. Girard442 Oct 5 #30
Even if the immigrants cooperated, the cost of transporting them captain queeg Oct 5 #27

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
1. Well, that happened recently, in Pakistan,
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:34 PM
Oct 5

when one third of the country flooded due to global heating.
Sorry, I know this is off-topic, but that's what came to mind when I saw your subject line. We already have climate refugees by the millions. Just wait until it hits the billions.

I agree that 10 million fugitives would be quite an issue. He won't do that so drastically, though. The rich want undoc'ed workers, poor and desperate, willing to take any peanuts they hand out, and no complaining to OSHA. I think he would round up a few thousand a year, with massive publicity, of undoc'ed who dare to raise their heads up and ask to be treated as humans. He'll make some awful examples. Cheaper to shoot and kill them, "STOP RESISTING!". That's why he's talking about violent policing.

MLF1981

(211 posts)
9. You know, I saw something interesting regarding this...
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:46 PM
Oct 5

I lurk right-wing places because, know thy enemy and all that, and a lot of them were outraged by his idea of "one really bad hour and it will all go away".

Why? Well, not because doing such a thing is antithetical to the American way, they don't give a shit about that, but rather because they know that it won't stop at the cops / military rounding up brown people and deporting them. They know that eventually they would become the targets, and that some roided-up cop squad would do the exact same thing to them given the opportunity.

I was really quite surprised that there was a substantial amount of criticism coming from the acolytes of their Orange Messiah.

Jack Valentino

(1,497 posts)
2. There's no guarantee that they would get much help from local police departments...
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:35 PM
Oct 5

to enforce immigration laws, much less some kind of huge "round-up"--
(nor has Trump made any suggestion about how it would all be paid for)

Those are state and local, and they don't have to take orders from the federal government--- nor is it their job to enforce federal laws. They enforce state and local laws.

They might get some help from red-area law enforcement, but I expect there would be outright defiance from most in the blue states.

Jack Valentino

(1,497 posts)
6. In his wet dreams...
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:58 PM
Oct 5

How do you deputize anyone if they aren't in the room with you ?? By email?


Logistically is not very probable. Anyway, they aren't going to win.

Tickle

(3,150 posts)
7. I haven't a clue
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:00 PM
Oct 5

😂 you asked and I just reported what he said 😂. Sometimes you have to laugh, otherwise they win.

Voltaire2

(14,854 posts)
3. We don't have facilities for 10 million people.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:40 PM
Oct 5

This would be a ridiculous shitshow. Mostly they will ‘round up’ and deport the refugees who did the right thing and applied for asylum, as they know where those people are. The people who just crossed the border and never created a paper trail will be hard to find. On the other hand it will be open season for anyone looking Latino, so a lot of legal residents will get harassed and perhaps deported as well.

Jack Valentino

(1,497 posts)
8. They need to figure this out, and vote against the motherfucker!
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:01 PM
Oct 5

There should be negative ads about this, somewhat similar to the abortion rights ads which show police pulling over a mother and daughter and asking them where they are going----

I can visualize a great ad now, cops breaking down the door and putting zip-ties on Latin Americans,
while they scream "but I'm a US citizen!" and the cops say, "sure you are!"

Mz Pip

(27,929 posts)
13. "Big government"
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 06:03 PM
Oct 5

Conservatives are supposedly all about small government. Rounding up 10 million people and deporting them would take a commitment to a big government.

MAGAs are full of shit if they think this can be done without spending a huge amount of money.

MichMan

(13,517 posts)
31. What about those who apply for asylum and are denied?
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 08:31 PM
Oct 5

The majority of asylum claims get denied and per current law, they are no longer eligible to stay.

LymphocyteLover

(6,961 posts)
4. the problem would start just finding them-- you'd have to search every home, every place, terrorize Latino communities
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:41 PM
Oct 5

it would be a nightmare of epic proportions.

Honestly I don't think they would be able to do it. They just love to brag about it to excite their sick base.

Girard442

(6,429 posts)
12. I don't think the MAGAts get it that they''ll have to carry proof of citizenship everywhere they go...
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 06:00 PM
Oct 5

...or risk going straight to to the Gulag.

Ihre Papiere bitte!

Hekate

(95,208 posts)
16. My mother in law was Viennese. She said many people believed the Germans would never, could never...
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 06:24 PM
Oct 5

Why? Because their culture was an exemplar of music, art, and scholarly attainment.

She believed what she was seeing with her own eyes, and tried to persuade her family to leave, I think she even bought train tickets for her parents. But they said, essentially, that these troubles come and go and this will pass. Eventually she got 2 of her sisters and their husbands and kids out to Belgium just ahead of the Anschluss.

Even so, few of them lived through the war.

Can this happen here? Well, if there’s anything a decade of Trump has revealed to me, it is this: the groundwork is being laid, and yes it can.

LymphocyteLover

(6,961 posts)
29. Yes, I agree it could happen. But a lot more would have to happen here, like the total collapse of
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:56 PM
Oct 5

the Dems and the Free Press and stricter laws against Hispanic immigrants... yes it could happen, but not in the next 4 years even if Trump is elected.

Girard442

(6,429 posts)
17. Obviously, my mind goes to 1930's Europe.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 06:25 PM
Oct 5

If that's not your preference, try books about Stalinist Russia, Mao Zedong's China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, or the American Trail of Tears.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
25. I understand but in none of those cases were millions instantly fugitives.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:05 PM
Oct 5

Certainly in Europe it was gradual.

B.See

(3,809 posts)
18. There are many who labour under the
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 06:38 PM
Oct 5

delusion that it can't happen here.

Apparently the FACT that half of the nation is enthusiasticaly chomping at the bit to elect a DICTATOR who promises mass deportations and raids (correction... "purges" ) of America's 'third world' cities,

has ESCAPED them.

Hekate

(95,208 posts)
21. Surprises me that several in this thread believe police officers & sheriff's deputies would not participate
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 06:56 PM
Oct 5

…and that towns would fight back. I’m sort of gobsmacked at that — don’t they read the newspapers, or even what’s presented on DU?

There are, sadly, any number of gun-totin’ LEOs in America that want nothing more than to show brown and black people who’s in charge, and they aren’t confined to “red states.”

I live outside Los Angeles, in “blue” California, and an ongoing theme of investigative reporting in the Los Angeles Times is police brutality, and especially cop gangs and deputy gangs complete with membership tattoos sporting hateful violent images.




B.See

(3,809 posts)
26. Exactly. And that's here and now.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:10 PM
Oct 5

Can you imagine what it'd be like when Trump and his facists give them carte blanche and COMPLETE IMMUNITY to do whatever they want??

That's why I'm equally stunned whenever I hear of some hip hop artist endorsing this psychopath, or of 'undecided' young Black male voters.

Undecided???

I mean, What the everloving FUCK?

LeftInTX

(30,505 posts)
24. Is this in reference to something that's specifically being planned?
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:02 PM
Oct 5

Sorry, but there are all sorts of hare-brained schemes, I can't keep track.

Is it Project 2025?
Something Trump said in a speech? (This content changes frequently)

Somewhere else?

Girard442

(6,429 posts)
30. Yes, it's a harebrained scheme, but Trump has spoken of it several times.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 08:19 PM
Oct 5

Besides, what do the MAGAts care if it's a haphazard plan executed poorly. To them, people dying in poorly built camps of starvation, disease, or exposure wouldn't bother them a bit.

On edit, if you want some perspective, read about Andersonville.

https://www.nps.gov/ande/learn/historyculture/camp_sumter_history.htm

captain queeg

(11,780 posts)
27. Even if the immigrants cooperated, the cost of transporting them
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:17 PM
Oct 5

And no doubt the camps they’d be held in would be a huge expense. Traitor Trump never thinks about that kind of stuff. And though I think Trump would be happy to just dump them into the ocean, you have to send them somewhere and other countries might have different ideas about it.

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