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senseandsensibility

(20,394 posts) Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:47 PM Oct 5

Anyone here old enough to remember when CNN

had reporrters "embedded" with the military during the Iraq War? It was a term they used, but it was controversial because the war itself was extremely controversial even at the time, and we were being fed the military's point of view unfiltered. Many people were angry about it, and the embedded reporters were accused of being stenographers. Before this, "war correspondents" were not embedded with the military.

Well, I noticed today that MSNBC is now called their reporters who follow cheato on the trail "embedded" campaign reporters. They're apparently proud of this, and run a chyron with this title below the reporters' name. But just as with the CNN embedded reporters during Iraq, this is not the flex they seem to think it is. Apparently, they are proud that they are being fed the cheato campaign's talking points firsthand so that they can share them unfiltered with us.

Just as during the Iraq War, I say no thanks. I didn't need embedded rightwing stenographers then, and I don't need them now.

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Anyone here old enough to remember when CNN (Original Post) senseandsensibility Oct 5 OP

Media has always embedded reporters with the military. Swede Oct 5 #1

That is not the same as being embedded. senseandsensibility Oct 5 #5

Sorry, I misunderstood. Swede Oct 5 #12

Don Harris was embedded with troops in Vietnam. Attilatheblond Oct 5 #25

I thought most of the hosts at msnbc had declared Ilsa Oct 5 #2

I guess those days are gone senseandsensibility Oct 5 #3

Agreed. 'Embedded' is not a good appelation for reporters IMO as it is entirely tainted because... brush Oct 5 #4

And Cheney... displacedvermoter Oct 5 #6

Yes, and Cheney. brush Oct 5 #7

Miller was atrocious senseandsensibility Oct 5 #8

Yes. I've heard it used many times. dmr Oct 5 #9

I watch MSNBC quite a lot radical noodle Oct 5 #23

Same here. dmr Oct 5 #31

'Embedded with' does in fact mean "in bed with"--- doesn't it? Jack Valentino Oct 5 #10

No. The root of the word is embed. TwilightZone Oct 5 #14

"insert an object into another object" Jack Valentino Oct 5 #15

I sure do! MLF1981 Oct 5 #11

I remember when David Bloom of NBC died while embedded no_hypocrisy Oct 5 #13

and Bob Woodward from ABC Flatrat Oct 5 #17

I remember David - he and Soledad were great news anchors. nt TBF Oct 15 #34

War correspondents have always been embedded with the militarry. former9thward Oct 5 #16

I remember watching Bernard Shaw reporting from Baghdad live during th fist bombing runs LiberalArkie Oct 5 #18

Having to listen to his firehose of lies could give them traumatic brain injury surfered Oct 5 #19

"Firehose of lies" Haggard Celine Oct 5 #29

I think the term embed was employed in the 2016 yorkster Oct 5 #20

We don't need that. 3Hotdogs Oct 5 #21

I'm old enough to remember when B.See Oct 5 #22

I was in middle age in those days. Wonder Why Oct 5 #24

I quit television news and opinion entirely in the run-up to the Iraq war. hunter Oct 5 #26

I always thought they considered Katy Tur BumRushDaShow Oct 5 #27

I'm old enough to remember when ESPN ran a news program every AM. Ferrets are Cool Oct 5 #28

I am old enough to remember when they had a large staff of reporters and reported real news Warpy Oct 5 #30

Arthur Kent - the Scud Stud Poiuyt Oct 5 #32

But can any of them translate Jabberwock? usonian Oct 5 #33

Swede

(34,829 posts)

1. Media has always embedded reporters with the military.

Reply to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:50 PM

Oct 5

They were there on the beaches on D-Day.

senseandsensibility

(20,394 posts)

5. That is not the same as being embedded.

Reply to Swede (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:58 PM

Oct 5

Embedded wartime journalism started in 2003. I have researched this and remember it being covered at the time. Of course there were journalists covering WWII, at Normandy and elsewhere. That is not the same as being embedded.

Swede

(34,829 posts)

12. Sorry, I misunderstood.

Reply to senseandsensibility (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:11 PM

Oct 5

Attilatheblond

(4,516 posts)

25. Don Harris was embedded with troops in Vietnam.

Reply to senseandsensibility (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:38 PM

Oct 5

Saw him on evening news almost every evening in the mid to late 60s. The man was awsome, and it was always a relief to see him on because we often wondered if he would live to send anther report.

Still sad about how he died when Jim Jones sent his murderous gang to stop the people trying to take off after visiting Jonestown. Don Harris survived Vietnam only to perish because a mad man was about to be exposed.

Ilsa

(62,276 posts)

2. I thought most of the hosts at msnbc had declared

Reply to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:50 PM

Oct 5

they weren't going to show any trump lies, at least not without proving it is propaganda.

senseandsensibility

(20,394 posts)

3. I guess those days are gone

Reply to Ilsa (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:53 PM

Oct 5

The ones I've seen today are not even calling the smears against FEMA lies. Misleading doesn't cut it as they should know by now.

brush

(58,012 posts)

4. Agreed. 'Embedded' is not a good appelation for reporters IMO as it is entirely tainted because...

Reply to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:55 PM

Oct 5

of NYT reporter Judith Miller who did a despicable job of mouthing what Rumsfeld and the military wanted told to the American people.

Miller rather than CNN reporters was the one who gave that term a bad name.

displacedvermoter

(3,199 posts)

6. And Cheney...

Reply to brush (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:58 PM

Oct 5

brush

(58,012 posts)

7. Yes, and Cheney.

Reply to displacedvermoter (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:00 PM

Oct 5

senseandsensibility

(20,394 posts)

8. Miller was atrocious

Reply to brush (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:01 PM

Oct 5

but the CNN "embeds" also came under a lot of criticism.

dmr

(28,663 posts)

9. Yes. I've heard it used many times.

Reply to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:03 PM

Oct 5

I didn't like it way back when, and I don't like it now.

TBH, I haven't paid much attention to MSNBC's embedded people. So, I'm not sure they're feeding us TFG's propaganda, or not. I haven't given it much thought. I will pay attention now, since you've pointed this out.

It's come to the point for me that I just don't want to hear any "reporting" about TFG, Vance, or anything to do with their campaign. I turn off their dangerous bullshit. Maybe I shouldn't, but I just cannot hear anymore from them.

I do pay attention and listen to anything in regards to Project 2025, TFG's indictments, other legal troubles, or similar issues.

Thank you.

radical noodle

(8,800 posts)

23. I watch MSNBC quite a lot

Reply to dmr (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:33 PM

Oct 5

because they generally portray trump exactly as he is... a liar and a criminal.

dmr

(28,663 posts)

31. Same here.

Reply to radical noodle (Reply #23)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 10:37 PM

Oct 5

Jack Valentino

(1,497 posts)

10. 'Embedded with' does in fact mean "in bed with"--- doesn't it?

Reply to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:06 PM

Oct 5

Maybe MSNBC needs to be reminded from where and when the term originated....

TwilightZone

(28,834 posts)

14. No. The root of the word is embed.

Reply to Jack Valentino (Reply #10)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:38 PM

Oct 5

Which means to implant or insert an object into another object. Its usage to mean a journalist attached to a military unit is very common.

It has nothing to do with being in bed with.

Jack Valentino

(1,497 posts)

15. "insert an object into another object"

Reply to TwilightZone (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:41 PM

Oct 5

Yeah, ok, whatever you say.

MLF1981

(211 posts)

11. I sure do!

Reply to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:10 PM

Oct 5

I also remember Geraldo Rivera getting into trouble for basically broadcasting classified military battle plans live on Fox "News".

no_hypocrisy

(49,151 posts)

13. I remember when David Bloom of NBC died while embedded

Reply to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:19 PM

Oct 5

in 2003.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bloom

Flatrat

(165 posts)

17. and Bob Woodward from ABC

Reply to no_hypocrisy (Reply #13)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:46 PM

Oct 5

had a TBI from a nearby IED in Iraq.

And the legendary Marie Colvin in Syria. She was not an embed, she was a journalist.

TBF

(34,704 posts)

34. I remember David - he and Soledad were great news anchors. nt

Reply to no_hypocrisy (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 15, 2024, 12:36 PM

Oct 15

former9thward

(33,424 posts)

16. War correspondents have always been embedded with the militarry.

Reply to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:42 PM

Oct 5

Journalists traveled with armies during the Civil War, Spanish American war, WW I, WW II, and Vietnam. This was not new in Iraq.

LiberalArkie

(16,646 posts)

18. I remember watching Bernard Shaw reporting from Baghdad live during th fist bombing runs

Reply to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 06:46 PM

Oct 5

over a leased telephone line that the Government did not know how to disconnect

surfered

(3,692 posts)

19. Having to listen to his firehose of lies could give them traumatic brain injury

Reply to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:10 PM

Oct 5

Haggard Celine

(17,041 posts)

29. "Firehose of lies"

Reply to surfered (Reply #19)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 09:43 PM

Oct 5

That's a great description of what Trump does. It's just lie after lie. I could never come up with so many lies so quickly. I guess it's Trump's superpower.

yorkster

(2,511 posts)

20. I think the term embed was employed in the 2016

Reply to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:16 PM

Oct 5

presidential campaign. Katy Tur was described as the MSNBC embed covering Trump, for example.

I could be wrong, but I thought that term was used at that time as well