here on DU.

Thanks for pointing that out

You have no idea how many Republican for Harris folks will actually deliver votes, while all the folks here on DU who you seem to be talking about are active Democrats who have been Democrats all along, and not just jumping on board after decades spent bringing us this close to disaster.

some never learn

I DON'T LIKE THOSE PEOPLE EITHER

have you heard that Idi Amin endorsed her?

50-State strategy.

We didn't know in 2016 whether Cornell West, David Sirota, Nina Turner, Briana Joy Gray, etc. would vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016, but we gave them a seat at the table, and after the Convention, Cornell West promptly announced he was endorsing Jill Stein, while David Sirota, Nina Turner, Briana Joy Gray, etc. publicly made it clear they would not vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016.

That was the same strategy used by Ralph Nader supporters in 2000, where Michael Moore said "a vote for Gore is a vote for bush"

That worked out real well in 2016 also, with a similar mindset who voted for Jill Stein.

In every critical swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, while Jill Stein received 1% of the vote in those critical swing states.

It didn't take much to lose the Supreme Court.

to bash Senator Sanders, among others, who is/are I would think more certain to gather votes for us come November. Fear of the Stein effect would seem to make it a given that Sanders supporters would be more welcomed than they are, and encouraged.

But some of the same folks who it appears to be the most welcoming of support from the anti-Trump right, are those most critical of what they call the "purist" left.

supporters unfortunately didn't. It was a minority, 10%, but it contributed to what happened in 2016, and in 2020 most came home.

My point being simply that in an election supposedly this close according to polls, and with perhaps as much as 10-20% of republicans and Haley supporters, who are either republicans or "undecided", to utilize whatever it takes to try and convince them to not only NOT vote for trump, but vote for Harris/Walz, and in fact the Harris campaign is airing campaign ads on various programs USING republicans in those ads to do just that, where these republicans are saying they will vote for Harris this time because trump is too dangerous and cannot be trusted.

Will it help? I don't think it will hurt, and I cannot remember anytime that so many prominent republicans publicly came out to endorse a Democratic candidate.

What I see is the Harris-Walz campaign reaching out to ALL groups trying to utilize the. Howard Dean 50-state strategy.

Governor Walz is actually going on fox to do a solo interview on October 6. Of course you have such jackassed reports criticizing Harris-Walz for not doing more interviews, because "people don't really know them", which is bullshit in my book. On the issues people absolutely do know where the candidates are on the issues, and that the illustrious press try to push a false narrative that they don't know where Harris-Walz are on the issues, highlights just how inane the MSM is. They have been for sometime, and their lazy and inept coverage has demonstrated that.

For some reason they also seem to hold Democrats to a much higher standard than republicans.

The most recent example was the Jack Smith preliminary evidentiary report. Within 24 to 48 hours it was no longer a news event, unlike the overblown "Hillary email scandal", which went on for months, and after Comey released a letter to the republicans in congress 11 days before the general election saying they were investigating another laptop for additional information, the media almost universally reported that "the email investigation had been reopened", WHICH WAS A LIE, and the news outlets paraded every right wing pundit across their outlets perpetuating that lie for the next week 24/7.

Polling showed that a higher percent of 2008 HRC voters went for McCain. You could claim it was the 3am ad that suggested Obama was not ready that led to that. However, it may well have been they were people who valued qualities common to Clinton and McCain - experience and foreign policy.

Likewise, as early as the NH primary, media observed there were people whose choice came down to Trump or Sanders. Maybe because both were perceived as populists, outsiders and for the little guy. In fact, in the general election, the Sanders information collected on voters was used to push for HRC including by VT canvassers in NH.

Sanders did back HRC and was a great surrogate for Biden. He is not responsible for everyone who backed him.

will be forever on my list of STUPID ASSHOLES who even if they DID end up voting for her their COMMENTS convinced fence-sitters not to vote at all or vote 3rd party because of the "they are both the same" bullshit.

I will forgive those who ADMIT they were WRONG to do that, the rest can go to hell. THEY are how we GOT HERE

And again, harsher on Democrats and Progressives than on long term neo fascists now coming on board at the last possible minute.

Still..STILL after all we have seen FUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCC CKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

They are KILLING WOMEN

Promising to END the federal govt of all but CRONIES...I could go ON AND ON AND ON...

And I am pretty confident that Harris is going to win on 11/5. So I appreciate the endorsements from both sides of the spectrum, but don't trust the late arrivals, some of whom may be jumping on the winning side late in the game.

Trying not to stress out too much, encouraging others to do the same.

Howard Dean 50-State strategy.

I’m just reminding their newfound cheerleaders to wear face guards around the face-eating leopards.

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...how about that, huh?

What's next? Both identifying as Americans?

I'm ostensibly living next to several face-eating leopards. We never yell out our politics to each other across the street. We talk about what we can do for each other and how's the weather.

That's because we know most of these issues that divide our parties are only remedied or well-addressed in the legislature or the courts.

That's the kind of understanding about our differences that I'm eager to return to, rather than this brinksmanship which amounts to Americans actually fighting each other outside of the halls of Congress over things that should be resolved under that dome, or at one of the many courthouses across the nation.

Yes, it is temporary, and doesn't require us to give any credence to any of their OTHER political positions---
nor are we required to sing their praises.

We are not joining THEM, THEY are joining US!

Good post.

We can get back to despising them, where and when appropriate, AFTER this election.

just pointing out they very much helped make Donald Fucking Trump what he is today

then they'll do everything he wanted to do. But smoother and slower. T rapes; Cheney seduces.

Use 'em but never trust 'em.

they don't fool me one bit

Hillary in the 2016 general, and encouraged people not to vote for her, also helped make trump what he is today, and helped us lose the Supreme Court, which everyone knew was at stake in the 2016 election.

I don't trust those people either

I can despise the Cheneys and also welcome their endorsement.

I’ve never been arrested, but if I ever am, I am certain it will be for pissing on Dick Cheney’s grave.

this coddling of repukes is sickening

Dick Cheney's grave is something we would love to do as he is a war criminal and a corrupter of the political norms of our nation, that is going to make him change his mind about voting for Kamala Harris!

I welcome his endorsement, and I still resent the hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars that have gone into keeping him alive all this time.

them, but anyone who wants Trump to lose and is willing to do their best to make it happen, is welcome at least temporarily.

Well said. We don't have the luxury of trying to convert Republicans who are voting for Harris. Just hope that a taste of Democratic policy will do the work and thank them for their vote for democracy.

Well, at least they're bringing in VOTES from Pubs!

What should we do.. reject their votes?.. that will show them!!!

Supreme Court we have today.

Instead, I prefer to follow the Howard Dean 50-State strategy.

This really isn't rocket science.

Annoying things:

Democratic base confusion. The Democratic base isn't scared Liz Cheney will take over the party and everyone has to do what she says forever.

Purity test where one's warm morally superior feelings are more important than the outcome of the election and actually making progress to reach goals (in this case democracy and fate of the country is at stake).

Never giving Democrats the benefit of the doubt, assuming bad intentions, both sides, of being naive and stupid, standing for nothing and being spineless.

Not a take-turns-at-the-wheel give and take, my turn now your turn. The biosphere is dying.

Use these R's, and throw them away. They'll knife us in the end.

when I talk to the conservative forest I live in from old Log Cabin to Reagan Neo-Cons to crazy MAGAts, I'll gladly throw Liz, Dick, whoever has flipped on TSF I can that they would normally identify as "anti-liberal", conservative or Republicon in their face and say look, we gotta stop this asshole and his ilk or we will never have the chance to do anything politically again, any of us.

My biggest concern is that we liberals tend to be kind and inviting as a group which is great but it leads to us thinking when we've won and are changing things, lets celebrate. Meanwhile the wolfs licking its chops at the drunken naïve liberals and is setting them up, continually, non-stop. The other side doesn't sleep, not even a nap, and it gradually shifts what would be considered centrist thinking to the right. This is how and why fascism, always waiting and lurking in those far right shadows, can suddenly envelop and destroy a liberal democracy and everyone's going "how did that happen?" .

I get what your saying and have no problem inviting new groups into our tent. And publicly putting down anybody that supports Kamala in defeating TSF and fascism should definitely be frowned upon as being unpatriotic and a refusal to defend our democracy. But there are rules in this tent if you want to stay the most important of which is we aren't going back to any of the old rules period.

...and it's actually Dems who are in the catbird seat here.

The Cheney's are a major feather in our party's cap in this election. It will accomplish snatching many republican and independent votes on the fringes of red areas for Kamala Harris to add to what looks to be another record turnout for Democrats in the blue areas of states.

I also don't see anyone 'celebrating' in acknowledging this coup. It's a reflection of the extremes of the republican party and it's one of the most decisive and real movement away from the republican party (and toward ours) that I've ever seen since I entered politics in the 70's.

If we don't take cold advantage of this it will be a dereliction of our mission to keep Trump out. I can't imagine a more favorable political landscape for Democrats and we don't hurt anything acknowledging that.

You don't influence support and activism with pessimism about our chances. Doesn't make any sense to regard voters like that. Most folks are motivated by the possibility and viability of candidates. That's what we have now. We should revel in this, AND continue to be active.

I really can't imagine knocking on a door and telling a voter that we're being 'set up' by the republican support we're seeing. They'd be like, wtf are you doing here?

But embracing them and those like them is a revoltingly bad idea. Naïve? I mean, I've seen people post on this board they would consider voting for Liz Cheney if she'd at the least run as an Independent. That scares the shit out of me!

They aren't even close to a feather in our cap yet IMO. We haven't bagged them or their follower's at all. Not until they truly see the light, which will be never, would I consider them a feather in our cap.

And since Reagan the right, at the very least, has forced so many Democrats to the center/center right just to get elected to the point that that some of the ugliest parts of conservatism has made it's way into our Democratic political spectrum. They put us on our heals in 1980 and we've been clawing back ever since.. We are just now, when the country is at the precipice, re-gaining our progressive liberal momentum on the national level. I can just see in the future whatever the new conservative party of the Cheney's, McConnel's whomever saying the Democrats are so weak they needed us to help beat TSF. Now how can they be strong enough yadda yadda yadda. Its how they fucking roll.

Yes great, we need them to help us, all Americans, save our Democracy, but after that get the hell off our lawn, THEY LET THIS HAPPEN!!

It has occurred to me that should we prevail come Nov 5, we could soon see another round of MSM "bipartisanship"
buzz, spurred on by some sort of Kumbaya push by the media, by so-called moderates (Problem Solvers, Blue Dogs, Jared Golden) and likely some of our new allies.

David Brooks will cite the cooperation between anti-Trump Republicans and the Democracy movement as a signal that the time is right for President Harris to reach out and invite Republicans into the fold, formally, by forming some sort of coalition Cabinet. I then expect the Sunday gasbags to expand on the notion, and in Politico and the Hill we will soon start seeing lists of GOP folks who are being talked about as potential cabinet members.

I dread what happens come December when a Harris Administration transition team member tries to explain to Jake Tapper or Margaret Brennan that it isn't a great idea to make Rob Portman or Paul Ryan or Nikki Haley a member of the Cabinet. And keep a watchful eye on the Steve Schmidts and Rick Wilsons of the post Trump world, I expect them to start talking about similar scenarios very soon after.

And maybe even here on DU, a number of the more savvy of us will start posting about the advantages of offering a few key posts to GOPers, if for no other reason, to quiet the discussions discussed above.

I see it coming, and I am not often wrong when it comes to mistrusting the good intentions of our Party to try for compromise. We get rolled pretty easily, the media is always there to help the GOP, and some of our new allies are very savvy and really share few of our interests or policy concerns.

But like you I trust 0 of them and the whole thing has the potential to come out the other side as a perceived and made up cluster that puts another anchor in the simple liberties, freedoms and rights for ALL we progressives have been striving for for so long. They WILL come after us after 11/5 especially if we don't take congress. Man I dread that, we need it so bad. Then we can put the hammer down HARD hopefully!

Just like Democrats worked with Senator Lankford on the border bill.

There are times they can't work together. But when possible do it so in the future there might be some leeway.

Look at how many votes the shit got in 2020.

The country is not California .

We need to win and that means getting as many votes as possible and that includes those we disagree with.

I have to question the motives of some that do this.

anyone who says, no no no, obviously they aren't HAS to be Republican. Sorry, nope, that revolution didn't and won't happen.

So it's a crisis if there is some area of agreement with DU conventional wisdom.

I saw the same thing when Dick Cheney expressed support for marriage equality.

I've seen it when Clarence Thomas joins a ruling with the liberal justices, as he sometimes does.

Maybe blind unthinking partisanship isn't go smart after all.

I welcome traditional Republicans to help put Trump in the ash heap of history. The big picture is we need to sway those voters to us for this election, and bring our own base out in force.

Did Susan Sarandon’s name come up 😖

DisaPOINTed !



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So yes, anyone willing to go shoulder-to-shoulder in that effort is an ally in this moment despite political affiliations and/or past political stands and utterances.

We must WIN first.

Then we can get back to cat-brawling on issues and policy.

do I need to go on

But apparently it's not in an age where tribalism overtakes reason.

Trump and his Flying Monkey Brigade win?

The end. Of everything, other than suffering and madness.

Anyone who wants to get all giddy because people like Dick Cheney isn't backing Trump and claim to be supporting Harris, you are free to do so. I personally think it's all bullshit and I have the right to say so.

I've seen you're taking a step away from the forums until after the election. Enjoy your time off. Me, I'll be here, watching some folks lose their minds.

I'm not backing away from Harris/Walz nor any of my local Dems running for office. I'm not afraid of people who think they can chide me into ass kissing Republicans who are only using us to get rid of Trump because they're too weak to do it themselves

And when they turn on us -- and they will -- I'll be here to say "I told you so". I have nothing against any member here, but the insults and subtle threats get annoying.