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TFG accused of being drunk. I don't know, what do you think? (Original Post) captain queeg Oct 6 OP
I think... Mike Nelson Oct 6 #1
Musk uses a lot of drugs, including ketamine. yardwork Oct 6 #34
I think it is a combination of mental illness and dementia. KarenS Oct 6 #2
This is the answer Ferrets are Cool Oct 6 #32
it's my understanding that he doesn't drink alcohol. barbtries Oct 6 #3
I don't think he drinks. luvallpeeps Oct 6 #4
Dementia, his short term memory is shot. He can't keep track of what he's talking about even within a single diane in sf Oct 6 #5
Coke Emile Oct 6 #6
I think it's ground up Adderol. Jr. is on coke. brush Oct 6 #8
It's called the rebound effect. When stimulants are wearing off littlemissmartypants Oct 6 #7
Yep. A lot of people don't realize that coming down from a stimulant doesn't mean you reset at a normal baseline. Pacifist Patriot Oct 6 #24
Pick one, two or as many as pertinent. twodogsbarking Oct 6 #9
Yeah I don't think he's drunk though probably on multiple meds. captain queeg Oct 6 #12
I vote jfz9580m Oct 6 #21
His cheese has slipped off his cracker. twodogsbarking Oct 6 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 6 #10
you sound nice travelingthrulife Oct 6 #15
Hello, goodbye Tanuki Oct 6 #17
Soon to be gone trumper troll wolfie001 Oct 6 #18
We used to. Aristus Oct 6 #37
Too bad!!! wolfie001 Oct 6 #38
... trusty elf Oct 6 #20
I'm beautiful just like Elvis wolfie001 Oct 6 #39
There are so many other causes for that type of behavior. Personally... Pacifist Patriot Oct 6 #11
Though I was only trying to address the drowsiness in my reply littlemissmartypants Oct 6 #23
OD on Adderall plus his ever present dementia and hate, hate, hate. lark Oct 6 #13
Well, his mommy didn't teach his brother to hold a glass like a big boy and it killed him. n/t brewens Oct 6 #14
He always sounds like that. We'll never know what he's on because he won't release medical records. Vinca Oct 6 #16
Not drunk, but under influence of drugs onetexan Oct 6 #19
From everything I've read, he doesn't drink, so it's likely self-medication or neurological issue. Joinfortmill Oct 6 #22
Madman mountain grammy Oct 6 #25
Looking at video clips of Trump back in 2016 Farmer-Rick Oct 6 #26
His neurons have been dying off for 78 years, and he's pushing them right along. eppur_se_muova Oct 6 #27
I am going to quibble on the 4-hour sleep thing. Different people need niyad Oct 6 #33
Reported to have a history of moniss Oct 6 #28
I have always believed that a big moniss Oct 6 #30
It's all an intuitive read bucolic_frolic Oct 6 #31
Combination of slipping dentures, dry mouth, and repeating whatever he thinks will get applause jmbar2 Oct 6 #35
Not alcohol Metaphorical Oct 6 #36
Yeah I'm pretty sure Jr was drinking again. captain queeg Oct 6 #46
Trump is a notorious tee-totaler Fiendish Thingy Oct 6 #40
He says he doesn't drink, but he lies about everything. milestogo Oct 6 #42
He doesn't drink, apparently Jilly_in_VA Oct 6 #41
Pathological liar self reports he doesn't drink MorbidButterflyTat Oct 6 #43
But Howard Dean screamed! joanbarnes Oct 6 #44
Woah! jfz9580m Oct 6 #45
Drugs ? republianmushroom Oct 6 #47

Mike Nelson

(10,359 posts)
1. I think...
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 05:37 AM
Oct 6

... his drug of choice is something else. I saw his rally on CSPAN yesterday. It did not look like alcohol, to me. I also thought Elon Musk seemed trippy.

yardwork

(64,708 posts)
34. Musk uses a lot of drugs, including ketamine.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:23 AM
Oct 6

Maybe he's turned Donald on to something new.

barbtries

(29,943 posts)
3. it's my understanding that he doesn't drink alcohol.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 05:51 AM
Oct 6

i think he's falling apart. any level headed person can see that he is not up to the job he's looking for. probably on drugs to regulate his behavior, but drunk?

full disclosure i can't look at or listen to him for extended periods of time.

luvallpeeps

(1,134 posts)
4. I don't think he drinks.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 05:52 AM
Oct 6

I know he doesn’t get much sleep. He’s getting older and he’s worried about losing. I know he was, and maybe still is, an adderall abuser. Something is definitely wrong with him, but I think it’s more to do with his 78 year old body and mind being worn out.

diane in sf

(4,100 posts)
5. Dementia, his short term memory is shot. He can't keep track of what he's talking about even within a single
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:03 AM
Oct 6

sentence. His father had dementia. Could be tertiary syphillis, frontotemporal dementia, who knows? Because no one has seen his medical information.

brush

(58,012 posts)
8. I think it's ground up Adderol. Jr. is on coke.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:17 AM
Oct 6

But whatever it is, anyone who votes for this mental wreck is nuts.

What scares me is some might vote for the fool thinking that if it comes to it, they can evoke the 25th Amendment and get Vance in there, the anti-woman creep who wrote the forward for Plan 2025.

littlemissmartypants

(25,842 posts)
7. It's called the rebound effect. When stimulants are wearing off
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:15 AM
Oct 6

There's a tipping point where the drug suddenly starts to have a rebound and the user gets incredibly sleepy so instead of being awake and alert the user can't keep their eyes open.

❤️

Pacifist Patriot

(24,912 posts)
24. Yep. A lot of people don't realize that coming down from a stimulant doesn't mean you reset at a normal baseline.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:40 AM
Oct 6

Any time you put something out of balance, you're likely to swing the other way before the pendulum settles back down the middle.

twodogsbarking

(12,265 posts)
9. Pick one, two or as many as pertinent.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:36 AM
Oct 6

mentally deranged, especially as manifested in a wild or aggressive way.

Similar
mad
insane
out of one's mind
deranged
demented
not in one's right mind
crazed
lunatic
non compos mentis
unbalanced
unhinged
unstable
disturbed
distracted
mad as a hatter
mad as a March hare
stark mad
sectionable
mental
off one's head
out of one's head
off one's nut
nutty
nutty as a fruitcake
off one's rocker
not (quite) right in the head
around the bend
raving mad
stark raving mad
bats
bonkers
cuckoo
loopy
loony
bananas
loco
dippy
screwy
with a screw loose
touched
gaga
not all there
off the wall
out to lunch
not right upstairs
barmy
batty
crackers
barking
barking mad
stark staring mad
doolally
round the twist
off one's trolley
as daft as a brush
not the full shilling
one sandwich short of a picnic
up the pole
away with the fairies
buggy
nutsy
nutso
out of one's tree
meshuga
squirrelly
wacko
gonzo
bushed
yarra
porangi

Opposite - Sane

captain queeg

(11,780 posts)
12. Yeah I don't think he's drunk though probably on multiple meds.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:47 AM
Oct 6

But the chief cause is his 78 year old brain and whatever condition it is in. As far as him not drinking, I don’t think he’s a big drinker but he’s no teetotaler. Everything he says is a lie, why would anyone believe him when he says he doesn’t drink at all?

jfz9580m

(15,584 posts)
21. I vote
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:23 AM
Oct 6

One sandwich short of a picnic or Away with the Fairies !
Not really come across either one much but I like those..

Response to captain queeg (Original post)

wolfie001

(3,831 posts)
38. Too bad!!!
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:13 AM
Oct 6

We're trying to be nice and their preachers want to shoot LGBTQ people in the back of the head. Where's the equivalence? You fight war with war until they surrender.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,912 posts)
11. There are so many other causes for that type of behavior. Personally...
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:44 AM
Oct 6

I think it's a combo of a number of things and none of them involve alcohol. Though I wouldn't write that off. He claims not to be a drinker and his lies are legion.

He's old. He's got dementia. He's a known abuser of stimulants. He isn't a healthy person, so who knows how many conditions he may have that could contribute.

I continue to be amazed he can still function at all, even on this obviously limited basis.

littlemissmartypants

(25,842 posts)
23. Though I was only trying to address the drowsiness in my reply
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:35 AM
Oct 6

I completely agree with you. It's never one thing that's entirely responsible for aberrant behavior.

It's always a combination of things when one is evaluating health conditions and disorders.

He's a ticking time bomb. It's like we have an entire dart board of choices.

When he finally goes it's going to be spectacular. I hope I'm alive to celebrate.

I hope you enjoy your day, Pacifist Patriot.



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lark

(24,325 posts)
13. OD on Adderall plus his ever present dementia and hate, hate, hate.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:49 AM
Oct 6

Disgusting pretend human.

 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
14. Well, his mommy didn't teach his brother to hold a glass like a big boy and it killed him. n/t
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:56 AM
Oct 6

Vinca

(51,208 posts)
16. He always sounds like that. We'll never know what he's on because he won't release medical records.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:59 AM
Oct 6

Joinfortmill

(16,605 posts)
22. From everything I've read, he doesn't drink, so it's likely self-medication or neurological issue.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:27 AM
Oct 6

Farmer-Rick

(11,532 posts)
26. Looking at video clips of Trump back in 2016
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:44 AM
Oct 6

And he's a different man. You don't realize how bad Trump has gotten until you compare the 2. He's falling down that hill into dementia even more rapidly now.

eppur_se_muova

(37,636 posts)
27. His neurons have been dying off for 78 years, and he's pushing them right along.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:47 AM
Oct 6

Junk food, Adderall, four hours of sleep a night, and a mind saturated with toxic waste will get him where he's going that much faster -- like asbestos-laced cigarettes.

niyad

(120,596 posts)
33. I am going to quibble on the 4-hour sleep thing. Different people need
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:22 AM
Oct 6

different amounts of sleep for their particular, individual well-being. Thoms Edison was reported to sleep 90 minutes a night. Starting in my mid-teens, and up until just about two years ago, I slept no more than three hours a night, and I am 74, with no underlying health conditions. Now some nights it can be as much as four hours, unless I am reading a really engrossing book.

moniss

(6,117 posts)
28. Reported to have a history of
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:48 AM
Oct 6

reliance, some say abuse, of pharmaceuticals mainly stimulants. But it would not be an unusual thing for someone like that to also begin to rely on pain meds or sleeping meds etc.

moniss

(6,117 posts)
30. I have always believed that a big
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:52 AM
Oct 6

reason he never releases his medical records is that any prescriptions would also be listed. Unless he's got a "pill doctor" on the side which many celebrities and the big shots do. Real doctors for illness and then "Doctor Feelgood" for the party potions.

bucolic_frolic

(47,531 posts)
31. It's all an intuitive read
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:06 AM
Oct 6

especially since no medical records are ever released. Did they figure out how Miracle Ear healed so fast with no scarring? In the real world the medical profession would be all over that like flies to honey.

Anyway ... allergies, obvious inflammation, dementia. Bring the brain back with stimulants, calm the resulting anxiety with mild sedatives, reduce inflammation with diet and mild steroids (which may help the brain as well). Does Trump look like he's finally lost a few pounds? I think so.

But it's all intuitive. No I don't think it's alcohol. Elderly people in similar condition would be quite adversely affected by booze.

jmbar2

(6,215 posts)
35. Combination of slipping dentures, dry mouth, and repeating whatever he thinks will get applause
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:49 AM
Oct 6

He just riffs mindlessly through past applause lines. Strung together snippets, stream of consciousness. Adds more extreme snippets to keep the Magats engaged.

It's just DonOLD turned up to 11. Trying to hold on long enough to turn it over to Vance.

Metaphorical

(2,344 posts)
36. Not alcohol
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:00 AM
Oct 6

When the economy was melting down under Bush Jr in 2008, it became very obvious to me that he had fallen off the wagon, and was drinking pretty heavily at that point. It wasn't a major news story primarily because Obama and John Glenn were in the middle of the 2008 campaign and the stock market was dominating the news cycle, but the few times where you did see him, he was clearly drunk.

Trump acts like someone who increasingly has trouble regulating his drug intake, and its definitely taking its toll. I think the consensus view here is likely correct: he's an Adderall addict, which also has the side effect of inhibiting Dopamine uptake, much like cocaine. This can enhance many of the symptoms that you see already in a narcissistic personality - difficulty in finding pleasure in ordinary activities, a near constant craving for social stimulus, sociopathic tendencies, paranoia, decreased cognitive capacity and so on. Factor in age, bad diet, a family history of dementia, and quite possibly the lingering effects of long Covid, and what you see is a person who is NOT capable of being president.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,768 posts)
40. Trump is a notorious tee-totaler
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:28 AM
Oct 6

His brother was an alcoholic, and Trump has never been known to touch a drop.

More likely cognitive decline.

milestogo

(18,219 posts)
42. He says he doesn't drink, but he lies about everything.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:55 AM
Oct 6

But there are enough other explanations for his disturbed speech without going there.

Jilly_in_VA

(11,079 posts)
41. He doesn't drink, apparently
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:50 AM
Oct 6

Too many alcoholics in the family or something. It's Adderall + dementia.

MorbidButterflyTat

(2,633 posts)
43. Pathological liar self reports he doesn't drink
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 10:43 AM
Oct 6


I can't listen to his stupid ignorant whiney lying voice. He looks like old worn leather sagging off swollen puffy eye sockets, disgusting anus mouth surrounded by flabby fleshy multiple chins, an obviously UNshot ear, topped with spun cotton candy alleged "hair."

The congealed gelatinous blubbery blob gave an unhinged speech? Really? I'm so very shocked by this revelation.

jfz9580m

(15,584 posts)
45. Woah!
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 11:03 AM
Oct 6

I finally watched those. Haven’t watched any videos of Nutler after 2020. I try to tune him out.

He has deteriorated noticeably over the last 3 years.

I mean .

You can’t be serious. That man cannot run anything.

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