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TFG accused of being drunk. I don't know, what do you think? (Original Post) captain queeg Oct 2024 OP
I think... Mike Nelson Oct 2024 #1
Musk uses a lot of drugs, including ketamine. yardwork Oct 2024 #34
I think it is a combination of mental illness and dementia. KarenS Oct 2024 #2
This is the answer Ferrets are Cool Oct 2024 #32
it's my understanding that he doesn't drink alcohol. barbtries Oct 2024 #3
I don't think he drinks. luvallpeeps Oct 2024 #4
Dementia, his short term memory is shot. He can't keep track of what he's talking about even within a single diane in sf Oct 2024 #5
Coke Emile Oct 2024 #6
I think it's ground up Adderol. Jr. is on coke. brush Oct 2024 #8
It's called the rebound effect. When stimulants are wearing off littlemissmartypants Oct 2024 #7
Yep. A lot of people don't realize that coming down from a stimulant doesn't mean you reset at a normal baseline. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2024 #24
Pick one, two or as many as pertinent. twodogsbarking Oct 2024 #9
Yeah I don't think he's drunk though probably on multiple meds. captain queeg Oct 2024 #12
I vote jfz9580m Oct 2024 #21
His cheese has slipped off his cracker. twodogsbarking Oct 2024 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2024 #10
you sound nice travelingthrulife Oct 2024 #15
Hello, goodbye Tanuki Oct 2024 #17
Soon to be gone trumper troll wolfie001 Oct 2024 #18
We used to. Aristus Oct 2024 #37
Too bad!!! wolfie001 Oct 2024 #38
... trusty elf Oct 2024 #20
I'm beautiful just like Elvis wolfie001 Oct 2024 #39
There are so many other causes for that type of behavior. Personally... Pacifist Patriot Oct 2024 #11
Though I was only trying to address the drowsiness in my reply littlemissmartypants Oct 2024 #23
OD on Adderall plus his ever present dementia and hate, hate, hate. lark Oct 2024 #13
Well, his mommy didn't teach his brother to hold a glass like a big boy and it killed him. n/t brewens Oct 2024 #14
He always sounds like that. We'll never know what he's on because he won't release medical records. Vinca Oct 2024 #16
Not drunk, but under influence of drugs onetexan Oct 2024 #19
From everything I've read, he doesn't drink, so it's likely self-medication or neurological issue. Joinfortmill Oct 2024 #22
Madman mountain grammy Oct 2024 #25
Looking at video clips of Trump back in 2016 Farmer-Rick Oct 2024 #26
His neurons have been dying off for 78 years, and he's pushing them right along. eppur_se_muova Oct 2024 #27
I am going to quibble on the 4-hour sleep thing. Different people need niyad Oct 2024 #33
Reported to have a history of moniss Oct 2024 #28
I have always believed that a big moniss Oct 2024 #30
It's all an intuitive read bucolic_frolic Oct 2024 #31
Combination of slipping dentures, dry mouth, and repeating whatever he thinks will get applause jmbar2 Oct 2024 #35
Not alcohol Metaphorical Oct 2024 #36
Yeah I'm pretty sure Jr was drinking again. captain queeg Oct 2024 #46
Trump is a notorious tee-totaler Fiendish Thingy Oct 2024 #40
He says he doesn't drink, but he lies about everything. milestogo Oct 2024 #42
He doesn't drink, apparently Jilly_in_VA Oct 2024 #41
Pathological liar self reports he doesn't drink MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2024 #43
But Howard Dean screamed! joanbarnes Oct 2024 #44
Woah! jfz9580m Oct 2024 #45
Drugs ? republianmushroom Oct 2024 #47

Mike Nelson

(10,497 posts)
1. I think...
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:37 AM
Oct 2024

... his drug of choice is something else. I saw his rally on CSPAN yesterday. It did not look like alcohol, to me. I also thought Elon Musk seemed trippy.

yardwork

(65,715 posts)
34. Musk uses a lot of drugs, including ketamine.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:23 AM
Oct 2024

Maybe he's turned Donald on to something new.

barbtries

(30,234 posts)
3. it's my understanding that he doesn't drink alcohol.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:51 AM
Oct 2024

i think he's falling apart. any level headed person can see that he is not up to the job he's looking for. probably on drugs to regulate his behavior, but drunk?

full disclosure i can't look at or listen to him for extended periods of time.

luvallpeeps

(1,166 posts)
4. I don't think he drinks.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:52 AM
Oct 2024

I know he doesn’t get much sleep. He’s getting older and he’s worried about losing. I know he was, and maybe still is, an adderall abuser. Something is definitely wrong with him, but I think it’s more to do with his 78 year old body and mind being worn out.

diane in sf

(4,139 posts)
5. Dementia, his short term memory is shot. He can't keep track of what he's talking about even within a single
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:03 AM
Oct 2024

sentence. His father had dementia. Could be tertiary syphillis, frontotemporal dementia, who knows? Because no one has seen his medical information.

brush

(59,146 posts)
8. I think it's ground up Adderol. Jr. is on coke.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:17 AM
Oct 2024

But whatever it is, anyone who votes for this mental wreck is nuts.

What scares me is some might vote for the fool thinking that if it comes to it, they can evoke the 25th Amendment and get Vance in there, the anti-woman creep who wrote the forward for Plan 2025.

littlemissmartypants

(26,780 posts)
7. It's called the rebound effect. When stimulants are wearing off
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:15 AM
Oct 2024

There's a tipping point where the drug suddenly starts to have a rebound and the user gets incredibly sleepy so instead of being awake and alert the user can't keep their eyes open.

❤️

Pacifist Patriot

(24,921 posts)
24. Yep. A lot of people don't realize that coming down from a stimulant doesn't mean you reset at a normal baseline.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:40 AM
Oct 2024

Any time you put something out of balance, you're likely to swing the other way before the pendulum settles back down the middle.

twodogsbarking

(12,929 posts)
9. Pick one, two or as many as pertinent.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:36 AM
Oct 2024

mentally deranged, especially as manifested in a wild or aggressive way.

Similar
mad
insane
out of one's mind
deranged
demented
not in one's right mind
crazed
lunatic
non compos mentis
unbalanced
unhinged
unstable
disturbed
distracted
mad as a hatter
mad as a March hare
stark mad
sectionable
mental
off one's head
out of one's head
off one's nut
nutty
nutty as a fruitcake
off one's rocker
not (quite) right in the head
around the bend
raving mad
stark raving mad
bats
bonkers
cuckoo
loopy
loony
bananas
loco
dippy
screwy
with a screw loose
touched
gaga
not all there
off the wall
out to lunch
not right upstairs
barmy
batty
crackers
barking
barking mad
stark staring mad
doolally
round the twist
off one's trolley
as daft as a brush
not the full shilling
one sandwich short of a picnic
up the pole
away with the fairies
buggy
nutsy
nutso
out of one's tree
meshuga
squirrelly
wacko
gonzo
bushed
yarra
porangi

Opposite - Sane

captain queeg

(11,780 posts)
12. Yeah I don't think he's drunk though probably on multiple meds.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:47 AM
Oct 2024

But the chief cause is his 78 year old brain and whatever condition it is in. As far as him not drinking, I don’t think he’s a big drinker but he’s no teetotaler. Everything he says is a lie, why would anyone believe him when he says he doesn’t drink at all?

jfz9580m

(15,584 posts)
21. I vote
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:23 AM
Oct 2024

One sandwich short of a picnic or Away with the Fairies !
Not really come across either one much but I like those..

Response to captain queeg (Original post)

wolfie001

(4,218 posts)
38. Too bad!!!
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 10:13 AM
Oct 2024

We're trying to be nice and their preachers want to shoot LGBTQ people in the back of the head. Where's the equivalence? You fight war with war until they surrender.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,921 posts)
11. There are so many other causes for that type of behavior. Personally...
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:44 AM
Oct 2024

I think it's a combo of a number of things and none of them involve alcohol. Though I wouldn't write that off. He claims not to be a drinker and his lies are legion.

He's old. He's got dementia. He's a known abuser of stimulants. He isn't a healthy person, so who knows how many conditions he may have that could contribute.

I continue to be amazed he can still function at all, even on this obviously limited basis.

littlemissmartypants

(26,780 posts)
23. Though I was only trying to address the drowsiness in my reply
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:35 AM
Oct 2024

I completely agree with you. It's never one thing that's entirely responsible for aberrant behavior.

It's always a combination of things when one is evaluating health conditions and disorders.

He's a ticking time bomb. It's like we have an entire dart board of choices.

When he finally goes it's going to be spectacular. I hope I'm alive to celebrate.

I hope you enjoy your day, Pacifist Patriot.



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lark

(24,650 posts)
13. OD on Adderall plus his ever present dementia and hate, hate, hate.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:49 AM
Oct 2024

Disgusting pretend human.

 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
14. Well, his mommy didn't teach his brother to hold a glass like a big boy and it killed him. n/t
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:56 AM
Oct 2024

Vinca

(51,715 posts)
16. He always sounds like that. We'll never know what he's on because he won't release medical records.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:59 AM
Oct 2024

Joinfortmill

(17,497 posts)
22. From everything I've read, he doesn't drink, so it's likely self-medication or neurological issue.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:27 AM
Oct 2024

Farmer-Rick

(11,692 posts)
26. Looking at video clips of Trump back in 2016
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:44 AM
Oct 2024

And he's a different man. You don't realize how bad Trump has gotten until you compare the 2. He's falling down that hill into dementia even more rapidly now.

eppur_se_muova

(38,510 posts)
27. His neurons have been dying off for 78 years, and he's pushing them right along.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:47 AM
Oct 2024

Junk food, Adderall, four hours of sleep a night, and a mind saturated with toxic waste will get him where he's going that much faster -- like asbestos-laced cigarettes.

niyad

(122,572 posts)
33. I am going to quibble on the 4-hour sleep thing. Different people need
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:22 AM
Oct 2024

different amounts of sleep for their particular, individual well-being. Thoms Edison was reported to sleep 90 minutes a night. Starting in my mid-teens, and up until just about two years ago, I slept no more than three hours a night, and I am 74, with no underlying health conditions. Now some nights it can be as much as four hours, unless I am reading a really engrossing book.

moniss

(6,692 posts)
28. Reported to have a history of
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:48 AM
Oct 2024

reliance, some say abuse, of pharmaceuticals mainly stimulants. But it would not be an unusual thing for someone like that to also begin to rely on pain meds or sleeping meds etc.

moniss

(6,692 posts)
30. I have always believed that a big
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:52 AM
Oct 2024

reason he never releases his medical records is that any prescriptions would also be listed. Unless he's got a "pill doctor" on the side which many celebrities and the big shots do. Real doctors for illness and then "Doctor Feelgood" for the party potions.

bucolic_frolic

(49,111 posts)
31. It's all an intuitive read
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:06 AM
Oct 2024

especially since no medical records are ever released. Did they figure out how Miracle Ear healed so fast with no scarring? In the real world the medical profession would be all over that like flies to honey.

Anyway ... allergies, obvious inflammation, dementia. Bring the brain back with stimulants, calm the resulting anxiety with mild sedatives, reduce inflammation with diet and mild steroids (which may help the brain as well). Does Trump look like he's finally lost a few pounds? I think so.

But it's all intuitive. No I don't think it's alcohol. Elderly people in similar condition would be quite adversely affected by booze.

jmbar2

(6,668 posts)
35. Combination of slipping dentures, dry mouth, and repeating whatever he thinks will get applause
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:49 AM
Oct 2024

He just riffs mindlessly through past applause lines. Strung together snippets, stream of consciousness. Adds more extreme snippets to keep the Magats engaged.

It's just DonOLD turned up to 11. Trying to hold on long enough to turn it over to Vance.

Metaphorical

(2,393 posts)
36. Not alcohol
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 10:00 AM
Oct 2024

When the economy was melting down under Bush Jr in 2008, it became very obvious to me that he had fallen off the wagon, and was drinking pretty heavily at that point. It wasn't a major news story primarily because Obama and John Glenn were in the middle of the 2008 campaign and the stock market was dominating the news cycle, but the few times where you did see him, he was clearly drunk.

Trump acts like someone who increasingly has trouble regulating his drug intake, and its definitely taking its toll. I think the consensus view here is likely correct: he's an Adderall addict, which also has the side effect of inhibiting Dopamine uptake, much like cocaine. This can enhance many of the symptoms that you see already in a narcissistic personality - difficulty in finding pleasure in ordinary activities, a near constant craving for social stimulus, sociopathic tendencies, paranoia, decreased cognitive capacity and so on. Factor in age, bad diet, a family history of dementia, and quite possibly the lingering effects of long Covid, and what you see is a person who is NOT capable of being president.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,023 posts)
40. Trump is a notorious tee-totaler
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 10:28 AM
Oct 2024

His brother was an alcoholic, and Trump has never been known to touch a drop.

More likely cognitive decline.

milestogo

(19,784 posts)
42. He says he doesn't drink, but he lies about everything.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 10:55 AM
Oct 2024

But there are enough other explanations for his disturbed speech without going there.

Jilly_in_VA

(11,686 posts)
41. He doesn't drink, apparently
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 10:50 AM
Oct 2024

Too many alcoholics in the family or something. It's Adderall + dementia.

MorbidButterflyTat

(2,706 posts)
43. Pathological liar self reports he doesn't drink
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 11:43 AM
Oct 2024


I can't listen to his stupid ignorant whiney lying voice. He looks like old worn leather sagging off swollen puffy eye sockets, disgusting anus mouth surrounded by flabby fleshy multiple chins, an obviously UNshot ear, topped with spun cotton candy alleged "hair."

The congealed gelatinous blubbery blob gave an unhinged speech? Really? I'm so very shocked by this revelation.

jfz9580m

(15,584 posts)
45. Woah!
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 12:03 PM
Oct 2024

I finally watched those. Haven’t watched any videos of Nutler after 2020. I try to tune him out.

He has deteriorated noticeably over the last 3 years.

I mean .

You can’t be serious. That man cannot run anything.

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